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[QUOTE=Civil;40289305]People that like windows 8 are much like bronies, shove down everyones throats that windows 8 is better than 7 until they see results, (they wont).[/QUOTE]
Wow, awesome. Great post and even better comparison. My god, my life is complete.
If you don't like Windows 8, don't buy it.
Point is that if you haven't spent more than 10 minutes with it, don't start ranting about how it's shit.
If you have spent good chunk of time with it and don't like it, that's cool, you don't have to like it if it feels eerie to you.
Lets hope it fails as hard as Windows 8 so MS is discouraged from going for "new and innovative" (notice the "") features for a while.
[QUOTE=acds;40289657]Lets hope it fails as hard as Windows 8 so MS is discouraged from going for "new and innovative" (notice the "") features for a while.[/QUOTE]
Microsoft tried not doing anything, and now they are rapidly losing marketshare.
[QUOTE=acds;40289657]Lets hope it fails as hard as Windows 8 so MS is discouraged from going for "new and innovative" (notice the "") features for a while.[/QUOTE]
Considering it is windows 8, I wouldn't expect its launch to be any bigger.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;40289724]Microsoft tried not doing anything, and now they are rapidly losing marketshare.[/QUOTE]
They pandered to the wrong market.
Instead of "casualizing" their OS tablet style for entertaiment, they should've put their money on the industry, education & office sector.
Consumers might jump back & forth on fads, but companies rarely do.
[QUOTE=Van-man;40289803]They pandered to the wrong market.
Instead of "casualizing" their OS tablet style for entertaiment, they should've put their money on the industry, education & office sector.
Consumers might jump back & forth on fads, but companies rarely do.[/QUOTE]
So they should ignore the biggest part of the market? BRILLIANT IDEA!
allot of people here don't understand that the biggest critics of Windows 8 are internet forum nerds and not reviewers and most consumers. Most consumers generally are ok with it and like most products, there was consumer tests with random people and such. But despite all the attempts of MS to undo the decline of the PC due to tablets, it just didn't work.
Basically allot of people here's vision of MS adding back the W7 start menu and suddenly the past 2 year trend of decline being reversed is [I]ridiculous[/I]. Nothing would change
[QUOTE=Civil;40289305]People that like windows 8 are much like bronies, shove down everyones throats that windows 8 is better than 7 until they see results, (they wont).[/QUOTE]
Personaly i like the new 'start menu' but i suggest other people who are less easy with computer to use win7 because it's easier to get used to.
How's that, i like win8 but i shove down win7 down peoples throats until i see results.
[QUOTE=ToXiCsoldier;40290832]Personaly i like the new 'start menu' but i suggest other people who are less easy with computer to use win7 because it's easier to get used to.
How's that, i like win8 but i shove down win7 down peoples throats until i see results.[/QUOTE]
Thats dumb imo, because even My mother who is 53 years old can easily use windows 8. I don't get where you get that "people who are less easy with computer" from, i even helped a senior who is 75 years old and he had a good understanding of the user interface of windows 8. He has never used any PC before.
Seriously.
You're all young. Do you expect to live your lives without there being drastic changes in how your OS looks and works?
This is nothing compared to what you'll see in the future :v:
You know that saying "Everything you hear on the news is true except what you know isn't"
I don't get to experience that very often, but goddam every time there's an SH thread on Windows 8 you guys act like gibbering chimps because someone told you Windows 8 was a tablet OS. It has one thing you don't like man, basically the start menu is now fullscreen, looks different and is quicker to search. That's it, that's what you get so butthurt about.
And there's even programs to change it if you really just didn't want it after using it for a while, but instead you just whine and whine and spread your unfounded opinions.
[QUOTE=paul simon;40294948]Seriously.
You're all young. Do you expect to live your lives without there being drastic changes in how your OS looks and works?
This is nothing compared to what you'll see in the future :v:[/QUOTE]
I welcome change when it is improvement. When it is better than what we had before. For some parts this holds true for W8, but none in the innovative areas. ESPECIALLY not in the aesthetic areas, seriously, I feel visually violated by its atrocious design, like having my eyeballs caressed by the testicles of hairy old men.
Having used windows 8 from before it was released and I have only a couple of things that are bothering me.
-Charms menu
Its so fucking annoying when that thing popups up. Id rather have a button in my icon tray that opens it.
-No start button
I bought start8 just for that. I prefer seeing what I'm about to open.
-Load time of task manager.
The first time you start task manager (after every reboot) it takes at least 20seconds to load. I usually dont open it until I need to force close something that crashed but then I need it quick and its loading. Thank god this doesn't happen often.
-No custimazation of the start screen
Bought decor8 just for that. Changing the background, color and icon of the tiles and amout of tiles in a column shoud be built in.
-2 control panels.
I want the metro settings menu to be build in into the control panel so I dont have to search both when looking for an option.
Everything else is pretty much an improvement over 7. Including the start screen.
[QUOTE=jordguitar;40285998][url]http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-possibly-working-letting-user-disable-start-screen[/url][/QUOTE]
That isn't really what I mean, I don't give a shit one way or another with the start screen. Maybe Win 9/8.2/3/4/5. Depending what kind of updates they come out with.
[QUOTE=Miljaker;40295669]Having used windows 8 from before it was released and I have only a couple of things that are bothering me.
-Charms menu
Its so fucking annoying when that thing popups up. Id rather have a button in my icon tray that opens it.
-No start button
I bought start8 just for that. I prefer seeing what I'm about to open.
-Load time of task manager.
The first time you start task manager (after every reboot) it takes at least 20seconds to load. I usually dont open it until I need to force close something that crashed but then I need it quick and its loading. Thank god this doesn't happen often.
-No custimazation of the start screen
Bought decor8 just for that. Changing the background, color and icon of the tiles and amout of tiles in a column shoud be built in.
-2 control panels.
I want the metro settings menu to be build in into the control panel so I dont have to search both when looking for an option.
Everything else is pretty much an improvement over 7. Including the start screen.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad I don't have that issue with the charms bar. It really only comes up when I need it to (which is essentially never).
Yeah...that probably shouldn't happen (launching the task manager). Only time that ever happened to me was when my laptops slow ass hard drive was pegged out and couldn't catch up. On my SSD its instant and even that old laptop it takes a second or two max.
[QUOTE=Civil;40289305]People that like windows 8 are much like bronies, shove down everyones throats that windows 8 is better than 7 until they see results, (they wont).[/QUOTE]
You seem like the kind of guy that would walk into a church and start stabbing people while screaming something about them shoving their imaginary friend down your throat.
Even though I enjoy Windows 8, I'd love for this PC decline business to somehow be used by Linux developers to increase the desktop Linux marketshare. Linux distros are so fucking superior to any version of Windows but I can't switch because games, it hurts :pwn: Like a post-Microsoft monopoly world is happening, but on fucking tablets and smartphones, c'mon I'm a nerd, I don't care about those :suicide:
[QUOTE=Ezhik;40289883]So they should ignore the biggest part of the market? BRILLIANT IDEA![/QUOTE]
They alienated their previously dependable market in the process.
Also, why can Microsoft not make their OS modular, so it's easy to load elements that are needed, and those not needed aren't even touched?
Linux can do it, and much of the work done there is by volunteers.
[QUOTE=Van-man;40299779]They alienated their previously dependable market in the process.
Also, why can Microsoft not make their OS modular, so it's easy to load elements that are needed, and those not needed aren't even touched?
Linux can do it, and much of the work done there is by volunteers.[/QUOTE]
During Vista's development Microsoft made Windows more modular. They continued doing so even in 7.
You just don't really get a sense of it on Windows Client. They could have done what they did with WP8, run NT underneath and the new Metro UI on top and had a separate lightweight OS easy. As to why exactly they decided to just use Windows as a base for both tablets and the desktop was probably for uniformity and consistency.
I think people's opinion on the start screen will really start to get better after a while, and I bet that's what Microsoft is hoping. Really the only legitimate complaint I see is it being fullscreen, and I think if that was addressed for desktop users, people would really mind it so much. It's still used for the exact same thing as the start menu in that it's just there to launch programs.
Searching needs to be improved too on the start screen.
[QUOTE=Strikebango;40293690]Thats dumb imo, because even My mother who is 53 years old can easily use windows 8. I don't get where you get that "people who are less easy with computer" from, i even helped a senior who is 75 years old and he had a good understanding of the user interface of windows 8. He has never used any PC before.[/QUOTE]
Mostly because they (rarely) use a computer at their work with win XP, it makes more sense to keep using win7 than win8.
Because most of the time i have to explain to them how printing works so gues what kind of people i'm helping.
More rumors: [url]http://www.zdnet.com/microsofts-windows-8-plan-blue-bring-back-the-start-button-boot-to-desktop-7000014075/[/url]
Perhaps the start button will make a return?
[QUOTE=Van-man;40299779]They alienated their previously dependable market in the process.
Also, why can Microsoft not make their OS modular, so it's easy to load elements that are needed, and those not needed aren't even touched?
Linux can do it, and much of the work done there is by volunteers.[/QUOTE]
You're basically asking for Linux to replace Windows. Avoiding Microsoft products makes your life better tbh, only MS product I use is Windows
[QUOTE=The Baconator;40302009]You're basically asking for Linux to replace Windows. Avoiding Microsoft products makes your life better tbh, only MS product I use is Windows[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but the only MS product you use is their [I]flagship product?[/I]
Come sit over here with the majority of Windows users, dude.
[QUOTE=Van-man;40299779]They alienated their previously dependable market in the process.
Also, why can Microsoft not make their OS modular, so it's easy to load elements that are needed, and those not needed aren't even touched?
[B]Linux can do it, and much of the work done there is by volunteers.[/B][/QUOTE]
This bit. Right here. Right fucking here.
This the the answer as to why Linux can do it. And why Windows can't do it as quickly. The Linux kernel is quite controlled, but there are a multitude more developers actively working on Linux (both the kernel and modules for it) than Windows has at any given time. They have the ability to quickly test massive changes on their own compiled kernels, across a lot of hardware (easy to distribute). They have thousands of others who can check their code at the same time and fix bugs.
Microsoft don't have that. Making changes like that to Windows would require it to not be released for such a long time it would fail business wise.
Seriously, comparing development of the NT and Linux kernels is pretty impossible because they are managed so differently.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;40302038]Sorry, but the only MS product you use is their [I]flagship product?[/I]
Come sit over here with the majority of Windows users, dude.[/QUOTE]
What Im saying is my life would be less enjoyable if I used more MS products, like Xbox (charging you for basic features and downloading demos on time, currency is points, ads everywhere, propriety everything)
Basically as the number of MS products you use approaches zero, the more stress free your life is
Windows may be their flagship product but it's not their most rage inducing product
[QUOTE=The Baconator;40302162]What Im saying is my life would be less enjoyable if I used more MS products, like Xbox (charging you for basic features and downloading demos on time, currency is points, ads everywhere, propriety everything)
Basically as the number of MS products you use approaches zero, the more stress free your life is
Windows may be their flagship product but it's not their most rage inducing product[/QUOTE]
Point taken.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;40302009]You're basically asking for Linux to replace Windows. Avoiding Microsoft products makes your life better tbh, only MS product I use is Windows[/QUOTE]
I couldn't live without MS Office either. I know there's LibreOffice or whatever, but that will always suck at being compatible with MS files
[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;40302410]I couldn't live without MS Office either. I know there's LibreOffice or whatever, but that will always suck at being compatible with MS files[/QUOTE]
I just use Google Docs tbh, perfect compatibility.
Also they've surely improved Libre by now
[QUOTE=The Baconator;40302496]I just use Google Docs tbh, perfect compatibility.
Also they've surely improved Libre by now[/QUOTE]
Google Docs is missing a ton of features for spreadsheets. I use it for quick collaborative things though.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;40302496]I just use Google Docs tbh, perfect compatibility.
Also they've surely improved Libre by now[/QUOTE]
LibreOffice is pretty solid, ever since the original forking really. Though it is a bit flaky with DocX formats, and god help you if you try and read a Pages formatted .doc on a Windows machine. It just mutilates it from experience.
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