The Petition To Have Bert and Ernie From "Sesame Street" Get Married, Falls Flat - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31794749]What are you considering "unnecessary lengths"? One Sesame Street segment? One pride parade? Several? Many? It seems whenever something involving homosexual comes up in events, or on television, that someone always barges in to say how it's shoving their agenda down people's throats. If they want to do a 3 minute skit about homosexuality for a children's show, what's the worst that could happen? Some Evangelists get mad? Some kids don't think homosexuals are the spawn of satan or even just morally wrong? Forgive me, but I don't see what the point is in opposing this unless you have underlying feelings towards homosexuality as a whole.[/QUOTE]I have no underlying feelings towards homosexuality as a whole. I feel that children should at least be given some time to develop mentally before they deal with more topical subjects as a whole. Remembering this one thread in RC, there one member tried to justify pedophilia, saying that it's okay as long as they're "taught correctly", and that you could even teach a toddler calculus. The counter argument obviously is that they don't have the mental capacity to understand these complex concepts, which is my argument here as well. In short, give children a little more time so they can process these things better. They obviously should be taught about things like homosexuality, I just don't think it should be at such an early age.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31794749]What are you considering "unnecessary lengths"? One Sesame Street segment? One pride parade? Several? Many? It seems whenever something involving homosexual comes up in events, or on television, that someone always barges in to say how it's shoving their agenda down people's throats. If they want to do a 3 minute skit about homosexuality for a children's show, what's the worst that could happen? Some Evangelists get mad? Some kids don't think homosexuals are the spawn of satan or even just morally wrong? Forgive me, but I don't see what the point is in opposing this unless you have underlying feelings towards homosexuality as a whole.[/QUOTE] It's that they are trying to use the wrong show. Targeting an audience that just figured out how to not shit their pants isn't the way to go.

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;31794875]I have no underlying feelings towards homosexuality as a whole. I feel that children should at least be given some time to develop mentally before they deal with more topical subjects as a whole. Remembering this one thread in RC, there one member tried to justify pedophilia, saying that it's okay as long as they're "taught correctly", and that you could even teach a toddler calculus. The counter argument obviously is that they don't have the mental capacity to understand these complex concepts, which is my argument here as well. In short, give children a little more time so they can process these things better. They obviously should be taught about things like homosexuality, I just don't think it should be at such an early age.[/QUOTE] Oh really? So what arbitrary point would you set where it becomes "acceptable" to have characters on a show approve gay marriage?

[QUOTE=Sanius;31794595]it doesn't matter what characters are introduced, it's all up to the parents to decide what values to teach their kids, according to run and gun[/QUOTE] so because they're not introducing gay people sesame street is homophobic? gay rights are a touchy topic right now sanius, and i dont think you realise it. its way too soon to start introducing gay characters into a toddler's tv show - the topic is still extremely controversial

[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;31795074]It's that they are trying to use the wrong show. Targeting an audience that just figured out how to not shit their pants isn't the way to go.[/QUOTE] yes because the fact that homosexuals exist and that being a homosexual is okay is more difficult for a child to comprehend than trigonometry just like sharing and compassion. boy those are confusing!!

[QUOTE=Sanius;31795205]yes because the fact that homosexuals exist and that being a homosexual is okay is more difficult for a child to comprehend than trigonometry[/QUOTE] Preschoolers have no concept of attraction to the opposite/same/undecided sexes. It's not an appropriate topic to discuss with kids that small.

why should we be forcing this kind of controversy onto young children anyway? i mean, teaching people about touchy subjects like sexual orientation - that's fine -- but not at the very young age that sesame street targets. also you have to keep in mind here that this is a program which is sent all around the world in various languages - some countries will find that saying that being gay is okay is offensive to their beliefs - which is just going to cause a tonne of shit for nothing

[QUOTE=Mon;31795366]why should we be forcing this kind of controversy onto young children anyway? i mean, teaching people about touchy subjects like sexual orientation - that's fine -- but not at the very young age that sesame street targets. also you have to keep in mind here that this is a program which is sent all around the world in various languages - some countries will find that saying that being gay is okay is offensive to their beliefs - which is just going to cause a tonne of shit for nothing[/QUOTE] Well then do tell me, what age would you consider appropriate? An age where they may very well already have beliefs about what "gay" is and what "straight" is? A completely arbitrary age?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31795512]Well then do tell me, what age would you consider appropriate? An age where they may very well already have beliefs about what "gay" is and what "straight" is? A completely arbitrary age?[/QUOTE] i would say around the age of puberty (the point where orientation develops) would be appropriate

[QUOTE=Mon;31795540]i would say around the age of puberty (the point where orientation develops) would be appropriate[/QUOTE] so a completely arbitrary age

[QUOTE=Sanius;31795555]so a completely arbitrary age[/QUOTE] its specific enough for us to have sex ed classes in place at that age

[QUOTE=Mon;31795574]its specific enough for us to have sex ed classes in place at that age[/QUOTE] teaching children about sexuality the moment that they're capable of reproducing is the most idiotic way to approach the issue

[QUOTE=Sanius;31795598]teaching children about sexuality the moment that they're capable of reproducing is the most idiotic way to approach the issue[/QUOTE] if its so idiotic how come school boards across north america take that approach [editline]17th August 2011[/editline] actually, scratch that: HOW is it idiotic? i want a specific and concise answer from you

[QUOTE=Mon;31795612]if its so dumb how come school boards across north america take that approach [/QUOTE] ...because school boards in america are run by prudish moral crusaders who act based on purely emotional impulses? why would you even use appeal to authority in this case considering american school boards were responsible for upholding segregation? [QUOTE=Mon;31795612]actually, scratch that: HOW is it idiotic? i want a specific and concise answer from you[/quote] children need to be taught about sexuality at a young age otherwise they will act out of ignorance. children are taught not to run with scissors, so you would think there's no reason why they can't be taught safe sex practices or anything of the sort (or in a similar vein, gun safety)

[QUOTE=Sanius;31795626]...because school boards in america are run by prudish moral crusaders who act based on purely emotional impulses?[/QUOTE] can you prove this or are you just making baseless speculation school boards are run by people who actually know what they're doing in case you didn't know

[QUOTE=Mon;31795644]can you prove this or are you just making baseless speculation school boards are run by people who actually know what they're doing in case you didn't know[/QUOTE] Oh really, is that why we've been forced into rote memorization and regurgitation as a substitute for actual learning for centuries? I have so little confidence in the various school boards of the districts I've lived in that I simply cannot take them seriously.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31795823]Oh really, is that why we've been forced into rote memorization and regurgitation as a substitute for actual learning for centuries? I have so little confidence in the various school boards of the districts I've lived in that I simply cannot take them seriously.[/QUOTE] that's nice, but that has little to nothing to do with sex ed

[QUOTE=Mon;31795951]that's nice, but that has little to nothing to do with sex ed[/QUOTE] uh yeah it does you said there's no problem with sex ed in america because the school boards know what they're doing. if the school boards don't know what they're doing then obviously there's something wrong with sex ed

[QUOTE=Sanius;31795980]uh yeah it does you said there's no problem with sex ed in america because the school boards know what they're doing. if the school boards don't know what they're doing then obviously there's something wrong with sex ed[/QUOTE] but you still havent provided any proof that they don't know what they're doing other than an opinion, which, honestly is just as valuable as mine

[QUOTE=Mon;31795996]but you still havent provided any proof that they don't know what they're doing [/QUOTE] segregation

[QUOTE=Sanius;31796023]segregation[/QUOTE] give me an honest link from an unbiased source and i'll believe you when you say that

the same thinking that was responsible for segregation is also responsible for the piss-poor sexual education in american schools, among other things. these people inherited fear of reality from their ancestors and they want to pass it on to every other impressionable child

[QUOTE=Sanius;31796168]the same thinking that was responsible for segregation is also responsible for the piss-poor sexual education in american schools, among other things. these people inherited fear of reality from their ancestors and they want to pass it on to every other impressionable child[/QUOTE] again, can you prove that at all? you've been throwing around bold statements, sure, but you haven't given an ounce of effort to back them up kind of leads me to believe you're just bullshitting

[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;31794237]How about let the weak kill themselves?[/QUOTE] wow i'm deleting EvoCity right now, what a horrible thing to say.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31790787]Because we live in a society where children may very well be taught by their parents that homosexuals are evil or bad, and it's good to have positive reinforcement of the idea of respecting your fellow man.[/QUOTE] Look I respect my fellow man, but I don't wana stick my dick in his butt.

Just because heterosexual marriage is brought up in TV shows and the like does not mean that those shows tell you gay marriage is bad. Just pointing that out.

[QUOTE=zedpenguin;31796329]Look I respect my fellow man, but I don't wana stick my dick in his butt.[/QUOTE] Wow, your interpreting skills are shit. I'm saying you need to respect your fellow man (as in mankind), and there really shouldn't be this big adversity to discussing homosexuality. [editline]17th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mon;31796044]give me an honest link from an unbiased source and i'll believe you when you say that[/QUOTE] An unbiased source that says what? "School boards do bad things sometimes"?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31797116]Wow, your interpreting skills are shit. I'm saying you need to respect your fellow man (as in mankind), and there really shouldn't be this big adversity to discussing homosexuality. [/QUOTE] My bad, skim read the thread and thought you were in favour of their marriage becasue it teaches respect.

[QUOTE=Fort83;31696473]Aren't Bert and Ernie brothers?[/QUOTE] I thought they were roommates.

[QUOTE=zedpenguin;31800319]My bad, skim read the thread and thought you were in favour of their marriage becasue it teaches respect.[/QUOTE] I probably wouldn't say Bert and Ernie getting married is the best way to convey this, but a message similar to it like that clip with grover, just talking about how marriage isn't just between a man and a woman, with more focus on specifically homosexuality would be nice.