The Petition To Have Bert and Ernie From "Sesame Street" Get Married, Falls Flat - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sanius;31774521]now you made me feel bad damn it[/QUOTE] holy shit sanius has emotions wtf

There was a petition for this?

[QUOTE=Sanius;31769866]...and your point is?[/QUOTE]They're just friends. The concept of homosexuality wouldn't easily register with a 3 year old.

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;31786145]They're just friends. The concept of homosexuality wouldn't easily register with a 3 year old.[/QUOTE] And the concept of heterosexuality does register easily?

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;31786145]They're just friends. The concept of homosexuality wouldn't easily register with a 3 year old.[/QUOTE] uh no shit because they're never told about homosexuality and in most cases are taught that it's evil

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31786521]And the concept of heterosexuality does register easily?[/QUOTE] Yes, it does. [quote]uh no shit because they're never told about homosexuality and in [B]most cases[/B] are taught that it's evil [/quote] I'm sure you've been to [I]most[/I] schools in the country to make such a sweeping generalization.

[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;31786623]Yes, it does.[/QUOTE] Here's a news flash, sexual orientation in general is difficult to relay to a 3-year old. If they were born homosexual, heterosexuality isn't going to register easily.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31786760]Here's a news flash, sexual orientation in general is difficult to relay to a 3-year old. If they were born homosexual, heterosexuality isn't going to register easily.[/QUOTE] I think it's overgeneralizing to assume every gay person realized they were gay at a very young age. Some simply figure it out later down the road, even into their pre-teens, of which by then they realize they're in a minority. But yes, I do agree that to those who realize their sexuality at that much of a young age will see heterosexuality as something not easy to comprehend.

[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;31787161]I think it's overgeneralizing to assume every gay person realized they were gay at a very young age. Some simply figure it out later down the road, even into their pre-teens, of which by then they realize they're in a minority. But yes, I do agree that to those who realize their sexuality at that much of a young age will see heterosexuality as something not easy to comprehend.[/QUOTE] And even "homosexually-born" children that don't realize it yet aren't going to understand heterosexuality easily. To say that it's an easier concept to convey to children isn't true for any psychological reason, but because people that get upset over things like this would be adverse to it.

instead of teaching children about sexuality at an early age, we wait until they're old enough to bare children and completely screw up their lives

[QUOTE=Sanius;31787315]instead of teaching children about sexuality at an early age, we wait until they're old enough to bare children and completely screw up their lives[/QUOTE] I would say it's good for children to know about these things early on because it helps dampen the mentality among younger people that sex and sexuality isn't something comfortable to talk about. It might be between people I know and myself, but I know it isn't for a lot of younger people out there.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31787289]And even "homosexually-born" children that don't realize it yet aren't going to understand heterosexuality easily. To say that it's an easier concept to convey to children isn't true for any psychological reason, but because people that get upset over things like this would be adverse to it.[/QUOTE] My mistake then. My earlier statement was assuming that you had said that heterosexuality is more difficult to comprehend than homosexuality. It's true that in general, sexuality to children at [I]that[/I] young of an age (three, four, even five) is going to be difficult at first, irregardless of whether they're figured out what their own is.

[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;31787554]My mistake then. My earlier statement was assuming that you had said that heterosexuality is more difficult to comprehend than homosexuality. It's true that in general, sexuality to children at [I]that[/I] young of an age (three, four, even five) is going to be difficult at first, irregardless of whether they're figured out what their own is.[/QUOTE] Fair enough.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31786521]And the concept of heterosexuality does register easily?[/QUOTE]Not even that. In the first place, boy and girls think each other are gross, hence "cooties". What I'm trying to say is, since young children don't understand the concept of sexuality in the first place, why should homosexuality be such an imperative issue?

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;31789695]Not even that. In the first place, boy and girls think each other are gross, hence "cooties". What I'm trying to say is, since young children don't understand the concept of sexuality in the first place, why should homosexuality be such an imperative issue?[/QUOTE] Because we live in a society where children may very well be taught by their parents that homosexuals are evil or bad, and it's good to have positive reinforcement of the idea of respecting your fellow man.

Good, I understand the want to increase gay marriage awareness and acceptance but it's a fucking show for toddlers starring puppets. Go promote those agendas elsewhere.

yeah go promote awareness and acceptance to teenagers who are already indoctrinated and have their minds set on their bigotry

[QUOTE=Aw_Hell;31791131]Good, I understand the want to increase gay marriage awareness and acceptance but it's a fucking show for toddlers starring puppets. Go promote those agendas elsewhere.[/QUOTE] Since when is promoting equality some kind of shifty agenda?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31790787]Because we live in a society where children may very well be taught by their parents that homosexuals are evil or bad, and it's good to have positive reinforcement of the idea of respecting your fellow man.[/QUOTE]How parents chose to present sexualities to their children is their own choosing. While some may be bigoted you can't go on a televised crusade to oppose their parenting methods.

[quote]put an end to bullying and suicides of gay, lesbian, transgender and bisexual young people.[/quote] How about let the weak kill themselves? What about heterosexual suicides? What about older people? A person kills themselves every 30 seconds every day and I can guarantee you that MOST of them are straight. Why this crusade to stop bullying of just one group? Why not all? Why not just cut out all the segregation in these causes and go after the root causes, like bullying or even suicide. Why must this shit continually be pushed down everyone's throat. We are all aware that they exist, children are cruel to one another and always have been. Adding a character to a tv show isn't gonna stop kids from being the brutally honest and vocal little fucks they are.

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;31793415]How parents chose to present sexualities to their children is their own choosing. While some may be bigoted you can't go on a televised crusade to oppose their parenting methods.[/QUOTE] welp I guess we should introduce a plantation owner character to sesame street who teaches that slavery is okay. after all it's up to the parents to teach their kids what they think is okay

[QUOTE=Sanius;31794244]welp I guess we should introduce a plantation owner character to sesame street who teaches that slavery is okay. after all it's up to the parents to teach their kids what they think is okay[/QUOTE]Comparing slavery to homosexuality? Seriously? And the producers choose what lessons are taught (i.e. friendship, sharing) in Sesame Street, not topical issues by parents.

[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;31794237]Why must this shit continually be pushed down everyone's throat. We are all aware that they exist, children are cruel to one another and always have been. Adding a character to a tv show isn't gonna stop kids from being the brutally honest and vocal little fucks they are.[/QUOTE] Maybe I'm wrong here, but it sounds like you just implied that kids are naturally bigoted. [editline]17th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Run&Gun12;31793415]How parents chose to present sexualities to their children is their own choosing. While some may be bigoted you can't go on a televised crusade to oppose their parenting methods.[/QUOTE] One segment on Sesame Street is by no means a "televised crusade". If one or even several instances of advocating something which no one has any good reason to be against is what you consider a crusade, then you may want to check the dictionary. [editline]17th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sanius;31794244]welp I guess we should introduce a plantation owner character to sesame street who teaches that slavery is okay. after all it's up to the parents to teach their kids what they think is okay[/QUOTE] Come on Sanius, that's a stupid comparison.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31794522] Come on Sanius, that's a stupid comparison.[/QUOTE] it doesn't matter what characters are introduced, it's all up to the parents to decide what values to teach their kids, according to run and gun

[QUOTE=Sanius;31794595]it doesn't matter what characters are introduced, it's all up to the parents to decide what values to teach their kids, according to run and gun[/QUOTE] I agree that kind of mentality is senseless, but don't just jump to comparing it to slavery.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31794522]One segment on Sesame Street is by no means a "televised crusade". If one or even several instances of advocating something which no one has any good reason to be against is what you consider a crusade, then you may want to check the dictionary.[/QUOTE]I wasn't calling Sesame Street a televised crusade, I was talking about people who try to go to unnecessary lengths to attack those whom they disagree with their parenting methods.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31794618]I agree that kind of mentality is senseless, but don't just jump to comparing it to slavery.[/QUOTE] I'm not "comparing" anything. slavery is bad and so is homophobia

[QUOTE=Sanius;31794595]it doesn't matter what characters are introduced, it's all up to the parents to decide what values to teach their kids, according to run and gun[/QUOTE]Sesame Street isn't run by bigoted parents.

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;31794622]I wasn't calling Sesame Street a televised crusade, I was talking about people who try to go to unnecessary lengths to attack those whom they disagree with their parenting methods.[/QUOTE] What are you considering "unnecessary lengths"? One Sesame Street segment? One pride parade? Several? Many? It seems whenever something involving homosexual comes up in events, or on television, that someone always barges in to say how it's shoving their agenda down people's throats. If they want to do a 3 minute skit about homosexuality for a children's show, what's the worst that could happen? Some Evangelists get mad? Some kids don't think homosexuals are the spawn of satan or even just morally wrong? Forgive me, but I don't see what the point is in opposing this unless you have underlying feelings towards homosexuality as a whole.

This could also go both ways, what if by this you show that two men living together must be gay, they then grow up thinking this way then when they reach adulthood refuse to live with another male based on values instilled on them by a greedy people who can't just accept that maybe two male puppets just split rent, and do not actually have to engage in a relationship. By this episode, future children could also create the stereotype that two males living together ends in a homosexual relationship, regardless. Also going over and over about heterosexual relationships ending in marriage, maybe it's because they want to show people being straight is better, I don't know, I don't make the show, but maybe they are showing that you should have children with someone you love instead of one night stands non stop till the child support comes through. Yes, homosexual couples can raise a child just as effectively as a straight couple, but they can't make them by accident. Not everything is aimed to put people down. Petitions like this are stupid, it's another person's intellectual idea, get the fuck out and let them go the way they want with it. It's like people going around saying that everyone must say the Lord's prayer every day of school, you may disagree but guaranteed that people out there want it done and in their eyes your the bigot who refuses to allow it. If Bert and Ernie are gay, let them be gay. It will not happen due to some assholes signing a piece of paper, it will happen when the people who want it to, decide. Be it their prejudice or they are just not ready yet.