Super Rich are Mad As Hell. Thinks the tax is equivalent to Hitler invading Poland in 1939
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[QUOTE=Agoat;43703040]It's fun watching the internet go on about social justice then hope that terrible things happen to people with more than them.[/QUOTE]
Most rich people (or at least most of the ones that you see) are monstrous assholes. Many of them also go against what even the sane part of the social justice section stand for (e.g. they're racist or sexist). You ask most of the Internet if Bill Gates should have this shit happen to him (while pointing out he's rich as shit) and they'd probably say no, since he's cool about his money (gives it away like crazy, doesn't brag about it, doesn't mind paying an extra 2% of his income, and so on).
I'm not saying you don't have a point, it's just that they have a point too.
oh hey something is trickling down
*tastes*
hmm that's not wealth....
[QUOTE=Sableye;43703697]oh hey something is trickling down
*tastes*
hmm that's not wealth....[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQJKf3IT_gs[/media]
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Those rich people make massive donations to help those in need. The vocal few making poorly-worded statements may not, but you don't want to dismiss a group of people doing great things just because of a few of them, do you?[/QUOTE]
Were not asking for handouts and its not just the poorest of the poor. What I want at least (im sure the majority would agree) Is for job creators to stop being greedy assholes and pay their workers a fair livable wage. No full time worker for any job should ever need to be on food stamps. Once again the actual taxpayers of this country (since the rich cant be bothered) have to pick up the tab. Meanwhile for every million these people have. 5 million is hidden in banks around the world never to be touched by american hands.
the problem is the wealth almost live in another world, my dads former boss yelled at him when my dad totaled his own car, he said my dad should have had comprehensive coverage, he didn't understand that you can only take that out on cars that you have a loan on, cars you own yourself, he didn't pay insurance because he just had his company pay for it, same with his cellphone and utilities, all came out of his company. what is annoying is they have seen wealth increase of say 5% yet they are willing to spend up to 10% twisting the laws to prevent taxes from taking another 2% of their wealth
[QUOTE=lavacano;43703682]Most rich people (or at least most of the ones that you see) are monstrous assholes. Many of them also go against what even the sane part of the social justice section stand for (e.g. they're racist or sexist). You ask most of the Internet if Bill Gates should have this shit happen to him (while pointing out he's rich as shit) and they'd probably say no, since he's cool about his money (gives it away like crazy, doesn't brag about it, doesn't mind paying an extra 2% of his income, and so on).
I'm not saying you don't have a point, it's just that they have a point too.[/QUOTE]
Bill Gates is also a nerd icon. I don't believe that most of them are assholes.
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[QUOTE=Mudbone;43703740]Were not asking for handouts and its not just the poorest of the poor. What I want at least (im sure the majority would agree) Is for job creators to stop being greedy assholes and pay their workers a fair livable wage. No full time worker for any job should ever need to be on food stamps. Once again the actual taxpayers of this country (since the rich cant be bothered) have to pick up the tab. Meanwhile for every million these people have. 5 million is hidden in banks around the world never to be touched by american hands.[/QUOTE]
Most of these people working full time jobs on food stamps probably have families and some form of debt. That's not anyone else's fault, especially if we're going under the idea that it isn't their fault either. (People make mistakes!) But they should not simply be paid more for jobs that require little training or expertise. I do think growth within a company is very important, and there are certainly companies out there that promote those that do a good job and show leadership skills. It has little to do with greed, as most things in regards to wages are handled by a specific department within the company that have little to do with the "rich assholes". Banks also do not just take money and hide it, they invest it elsewhere so that it will grow. This is why many bank accounts accumulate interest, as they're using the money you give them to make more of it. This is how banks make their money.
[QUOTE=Agoat;43703769]Bill Gates is also a nerd icon. I don't believe that most of them are assholes.
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Most of these people working full time jobs on food stamps probably have families and some form of debt. That's not anyone else's fault, especially if we're going under the idea that it isn't their fault either. (People make mistakes!) But they should not simply be paid more for jobs that require little training or expertise. I do think growth within a company is very important, and there are certainly companies out there that promote those that do a good job and show leadership skills. It has little to do with greed, as most things in regards to wages are handled by a specific department within the company that have little to do with the "rich assholes". Banks also do not just take money and hide it, they invest it elsewhere so that it will grow. This is why many bank accounts accumulate interest, as they're using the money you give them to make more of it. This is how banks make their money.[/QUOTE]What I was referring to is billionaires like steve jobs pulling crap like making his ceo salary 1$ so at the end of the year he can take a 500 million dollar non taxable bonus then stash it in the Cayman islands so the government cant tax it. Bill gates gives a lot of his money away and guess what hes still the richest person in the world and can buy whatever the hell he wants. He will never have to do any real work again unless he wants to. The rest of these people are the same. Why are they so afraid of being slightly less rich for the good of the people who all this wealth came from.
Also most people are born into poverty and its a hell of a climb to get out. How is someone supposed to go to college to better themselves when they have to work part time in highschool just to help their parents pay rent. The middle class also gets the royal screw job because to go to college you either have to be rich or dirt ass poor. Luckly I got in on being dirt ass poor but too many of my friends are in the same situation of parents make a little bit of money but not enough to send their kid to college so its unreachable for them unless they live at home and work two jobs.
Yeah, as a middle class guy I can say that I'm screwed unless I can get an academic full-ride. I'm lucky enough to have a chance at that, since I managed to do well on the ACT. However, it's still only a chance. Most people aren't even able to get a chance at that though, let alone actually get one.
Why is he praising the tax?
[QUOTE=Agoat;43703040]It's fun watching the internet go on about social justice then hope that terrible things happen to people with more than them.[/QUOTE]
The worst thing I wish on them is paying responsibly high taxes and complying to sensible regulation.
Eh. The super rich are just so rich that higher taxes would still be pocket money for them. Over here there's no difference in taxation for anything over 75'000 yearly. And there are well over a hundred thousand millionaires.
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But we can't ask them for more! I mean, how are they going to sugar daddy all those escorts with houses and cars and sustain their heroin addiction at the same time otherwise?
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Not to mention their surgeries! Will somebody think of the surgeries? Poor things, poor things.
not to be a radical
but asking them nicely is never going to work, when do we forcefully redistribute wealth and actually disband all the monopolies on resources?
[QUOTE=Mudbone;43704747]What I was referring to is billionaires like steve jobs pulling crap like making his ceo salary 1$ so at the end of the year he can take a 500 million dollar non taxable bonus then stash it in the Cayman islands so the government cant tax it. Bill gates gives a lot of his money away and guess what hes still the richest person in the world and can buy whatever the hell he wants. He will never have to do any real work again unless he wants to. The rest of these people are the same. Why are they so afraid of being slightly less rich for the good of the people who all this wealth came from.
Also most people are born into poverty and its a hell of a climb to get out. How is someone supposed to go to college to better themselves when they have to work part time in highschool just to help their parents pay rent. The middle class also gets the royal screw job because to go to college you either have to be rich or dirt ass poor. Luckly I got in on being dirt ass poor but too many of my friends are in the same situation of parents make a little bit of money but not enough to send their kid to college so its unreachable for them unless they live at home and work two jobs.[/QUOTE]
They're afraid of being "slightly less rich" because they don't want people in their wallet. If the government told me that they're going to take out an additional $5 out of my paycheck because somebody else is less fortunate, I'd be furious. Even though $5 for me isn't a ton, I still don't want people in my wallet. I'm sure the people less fortunate than me think I should give them my hard-earned money, but why should I? I don't believe in taking other people's possessions just because somebody else needs it.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;43705150]The worst thing I wish on them is paying responsibly high taxes and complying to sensible regulation.[/QUOTE]
This. They're so vehemently protective of their wealth, it seems like there would be nothing worse than to actually make them pay back what they owe.
Of course its only class war when its against the rich, any other way and it's just business as usual.
i put gold dust on my gasoline so my car smoke is glamorous
Higher taxes to the rich won't change much if the state doesn't spend money better in the first place.
I mean, yeah, you can scrub off a few millions of rich people each year, but then you spend it into places that doesn't benefit the people as a whole, but a few select people/industries.
I don't think that the rich should have a higher tax rate then they already do, I just think that they should fucking pay the taxes that they owe instead of using every loophole and shitty trick to weasel out of it.
i don't think people should be super rich, no person has done enough to deserve the money or lifestyle that millionaires and billionaires live, especially not while so many in the world don't even have the most basic of necessities or the smallest possible luxuries. i don't care if you're gonna claim hard work or smart work or anything like that, to me there is nothing a single person has done to justify that kind of life, and frankly nothing they could do. i think taxes on the rich should be far far higher, but if i had my way it'd be more than just taxes but i admit i can be a bit extreme
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i'm also aware that my values and morals are subjective along with the entire idea of 'deserves' but again, i can't say i really care
[QUOTE=lavacano;43703682]Most rich people (or at least most of the ones that you see) are monstrous assholes.[/QUOTE]
What?
how stupid of a statement is this. I could just replace every reference to rich with poor in your post and people would be in uproar.
[QUOTE=Agoat;43706195]They're afraid of being "slightly less rich" because they don't want people in their wallet. If the government told me that they're going to take out an additional $5 out of my paycheck because somebody else is less fortunate, I'd be furious. Even though $5 for me isn't a ton, I still don't want people in my wallet. I'm sure the people less fortunate than me think I should give them my hard-earned money, but why should I? I don't believe in taking other people's possessions just because somebody else needs it.[/QUOTE]Oh the old "in my pocket argument" Its called taxes and everyone has to pay it. This is how we pay for things like roads, public schools and police officers. Oh wait except the super rich apparently they don't have to pay taxes in the hopes that they will grace us and create jobs except for the fact.... It does not happen.
When the government told them to create jobs they did.. For other 1%ers.
[QUOTE=Feuver;43706879]Higher taxes to the rich won't change much if the state doesn't spend money better in the first place.
I mean, yeah, you can scrub off a few millions of rich people each year, but then you spend it into places that doesn't benefit the people as a whole, but a few select people/industries.[/QUOTE]
What would you cut then? Education and Welfare?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43707791]i don't think people should be super rich, no person has done enough to deserve the money or lifestyle that millionaires and billionaires live, especially not while so many in the world don't even have the most basic of necessities or the smallest possible luxuries. i don't care if you're gonna claim hard work or smart work or anything like that, to me there is nothing a single person has done to justify that kind of life, and frankly nothing they could do. i think taxes on the rich should be far far higher, but if i had my way it'd be more than just taxes[/QUOTE]
I think there was a name for this, what was it again?
Oh, it's called Communism.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43707791]but i admit i can be a bit extreme[/QUOTE]
I'd say it has less to do with being extreme and more to do with being batshit insane.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43707791]i'm also aware that my values and morals are subjective along with the entire idea of 'deserves' but again, i can't say i really care[/QUOTE]
You abhor wealthy people, yet you know nothing about them, other than what the news media presents them as (or your own twisted views, who knows.) Then you want to use already biased and usually hilariously incorrect information on a class of people to punish them?
I'm at a loss for words, but saying you were an insane Communist probably wouldn't be far off.
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;43710259]You abhor wealthy people, yet you know nothing about them, [U]other than what the news media presents them as[/U] (or your own twisted views, who knows.).[/QUOTE]
This part is funny considering the media is run by rich people.
Actually GigaBite, that's called social-liberalism. It works pretty well - but I know, we shouldn't be too hard with the taxes on those poor rich people.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;43708117]Oh the old "in my pocket argument" Its called taxes and everyone has to pay it. This is how we pay for things like roads, public schools and police officers. Oh wait except the super rich apparently they don't have to pay taxes in the hopes that they will grace us and create jobs except for the fact.... It does not happen.
When the government told them to create jobs they did.. For other 1%ers.[/QUOTE]
It's called don't charge them even more just because they're doing well for themselves. No shit they need to pay some taxes (no one said they didn't), but it isn't hard to decipher that I've been saying since the first page that I've been saying that not all of them are tax-dodging shitbags. I know how taxes work, and it's hilarious coming from someone saying that money put in the bank is money hidden from the world. The entire point I've been making is stop being shitty to people with more than you. Your well being is not their responsibility. We can pretend that having money automatically makes you a villain, but the truth is that there are shitty people abusing the system no matter how much money they have.
You mentioned Steve Jobs being a shitbag while someone else mentioned Bill Gates being awesome and incredibly helpful [I]out of his own free will.[/I] Many massive companies (Wal-Mart, Chase, GE) donate a ton to charities each year, but fuck the rich, right? Tell me how taxes work again, that'll teach me how these rich people and big companies are so terrible.
The rich are cool and being rich is cool but really there are also greedy and short sighted rich people who want to be p much dictators and will not hesitate to act like moralists while stealing and pillaging to their hearts content. Something about how power corrupts (or atleast alienates you from normal people problems).
Some people think that "the people who own the country ought to govern it" and fight against democratically decreed laws etc. in court in favor of corporations and favor backroom decision making disregarding the public opinion.
edit: this is why public power is required to counterbalance private power, taxation is required to fund action (without the power to tax and therefore act a state is pointless and the power vacuum will be filled by someone or something else). "Tyranny of the many" vs tyranny of a few? Will you rather have some more or less democratically elected dudes handle decision making or have some oligarchy where the leaders decide things according only to their own interests.
Historically the elite has never been forthcoming about any change that would reduce their power. For example the early fight for workers rights became quite literal because sometimes employers would rather hire cronies or call in the army than negotiate. Increases of salary were literally considered "economical crimes".
From an ethically unsound social darwinist viewpoint a small elite ruling a destitute mass with disregard for their well being is doomed to fail, because the masses are the real source of the elites income and power and are able to depose their leaders if they are incontent. The poor have to be kept content [I]enough[/I] to avoid instability.
Also I don't get how the elite can be incontent. They still have more than anyone else and they hold considerable power, what could you want more?
I wouldn't call it a balance between the rich and the poor but things today are not terrible enough to merit chaos so I guess things are better than ever right?
I'm all for people being rich and having huge homes and shit, especially if you started a great business or invented a great product, or invested wisely.
but really, the system is a little broken because it's getting harder and harder to become rich, while people who are already rich get more and more money. And they aren't just run-of-the-mill rich, we're talking Richie Rich won the lottery and bought the moon rich.
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Also I don't get how the elite can be incontent. They still have more than anyone else and they hold considerable power, what could you want more?
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there is some really famous quote about this somewhere....
We're past the dark age of poverty (where being poor meant you simply died off) and conditions are improving for everyone across the board as the years go by.
100 years ago there was practically no welfare. You did something or you died trying. People literally lived and worked in shit conditions. There was no education and no knowledge - you simply worked the shit job with no aspiration of ever doing anything more than that. You couldn't even escape this if you tried.
In 20 years I can see a number of things happening.
Firstly, corporations will continue to grow at an expanding rate - No limitations should be imposed on this, as innovation will continue to occur in all areas where there is demand, and demand is fuelled by possibility.
Corporations will win out over any form of socialism. Like it or not, it's corporations, business and industry that have allowed the world to progress so fast in such a short space of time over the last hundred years and given billions of people opportunities they would have not otherwise had, for a better education, more choice and an overall better way of life.
Hopefully at this stage people will have given up the vendetta against the rich. Things won't necessarily be more balanced, however, everything should have improved across the board to the point where no-one is living uncomfortably.
As for attaining utopia, I suppose the definition varies depending on who you talk to. Personally:-
I wouldn't mind living in a Google-run utopia. Free of crime, with endless access to knowledge and with innovation continued to be driven by demand.
I think it'd be a damn sight better than attempting to attain some kind of free-of-state socialism. People are simply too greedy to do it. Humans will never be responsible or respectful enough to work that way.
We're wired to divide.
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Corporations will win out over any form of socialism. [/QUOTE]
Corporations, while their owners commonly speak out against communism, actually often act in a "form of socialism". The largest businesses are already dominated by oligopolies where there is no actual competition and new startups will have a hard time trying to depose the existing giants because they have the ability to destroy their competition just to keep the power to name their price.
edit: free market capitalism is the best system but the question on how the economy is ran cannot be generalized into a choice between communism and laissez faire neoliberalism (Both by the way are dysfunctional). There is so much gray area.
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