• Britain 'very disappointed' as Spain seeks support from Argentina - legal action being considered
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[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;41829010]I'm not arguing the the Junta did not use the Malvinas war as a distraction because that's exactly what they did, it was the dictatorship's (which was sponsored by the US) last struggle to regain popularity after the increasing rumours of the Desaparecidos and the huge debt the country was acquiring.[/QUOTE] Right, so straight off the bat we have established that the dispute has been used at some point to distract the Argentinian's population's attention. [QUOTE=maxspeed3006;41829010]On the other hand, you argue that after the war, the only times that the Malvinas have been brought up was during Cristina's presidency which is just not true AT all, Besides, what i'm arguing is the fact that this issue is used to straight out cover other news/problems which you haven't even mentioned now, just please prove me, when was the Malvinas used to cover up any other issues in the last, let's say, 10 years.[/QUOTE] Then please, enlighten me to the other times when there has been a big argument about the islands. To my knowledge, no-one has made such a fuss about the Falkland Islands more than Kirchner. And it isn't about covering up specific issues - it's about covering up Kirchner's unpopularity as a whole. Although, if you really do insist on having something, there is always the problems Argentina is having with the IMF: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-19709273[/url] [QUOTE=maxspeed3006;41829010]The article you posted has nothing to do with this, it does not state that she is unpopular (the article even states the polarization of some voters, i.e it's either all good or the country is falling apart)[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/08/cristina-fernandez-de-kirchner-popularity_n_3231726.html[/url] [QUOTE=maxspeed3006;41829010]and if this was actually true it would only mean that only after this period (October, 2011) would the goverment start trying to cover up such current issues as inflation or the difficulty to buy foreign currency, with the Malvinas, but claims were also made to the UN in [URL="http://edant.clarin.com/diario/2010/02/22/um/m-02145530.htm"]2010[/URL], [URL="http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/ultimas/20-126850-2009-06-18.html"]2009[/URL], [URL="http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1000760-cristina-el-reclamo-por-las-islas-malvinas-es-inclaudicable"]2008[/URL] and so on, all of the having made the news but not even close to covering up other issues.[/QUOTE] From: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18712378[/url] [I]2008 November - Lower house of parliament approves government's controversial plan to nationalise pension funds. President Fernandez says the move is necessary to protect pensioners' assets during the global financial crisis. 2009 January - Government declares state of emergency over worst drought in decades. 2009 February - Farmers threaten to halt livestock and grain sales in protest at agricultural export taxes. 2009 July - Legislative elections result in President Fernandez's Peronist party losing its absolute majorities in both houses of parliament. 2009 April - Argentina hands documents to UN formally laying claim to a vast expanse of the ocean, as far as the Antarctic and including island chains governed by Britain.[/I] Notice anything? Both in 2008 and in 2009 Kirchner was facing problems. I see it as no mere coincidence that claims were also made in both those years.
[QUOTE=David29;41829760]Right, so straight off the bat we have established that the dispute has been used at some point to distract the Argentinian's population's attention.[/QUOTE] Yes, back in 1982. In a Dictatorship. Sponsored by the US. [QUOTE=David29;41829760]Then please, enlighten me to the other times when there has been a big argument about the islands. To my knowledge, no-one has made such a fuss about the Falkland Islands more than Kirchner. And it isn't about covering up specific issues - it's about covering up Kirchner's unpopularity as a whole. Although, if you really do insist on having something, there is always the problems Argentina is having with the IMF: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-19709273[/url][/QUOTE] You do realize that Argentina is having issues with the IMF because it refuses to make some economical adjustments, the same adjustment that literally drove the country to [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2001_riots_in_Argentina"]default[/URL] back in 2001? One of these adjustments, was ironically, the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Currency_Board"]parity of the Peso with the Dollar[/URL], noticed some similarities with that link you posted previously? [QUOTE=David29;41829760][I]2008 November - Lower house of parliament approves government's controversial plan to nationalise pension funds. President Fernandez says the move is necessary to protect pensioners' assets during the global financial crisis. 2009 January - Government declares state of emergency over worst drought in decades. 2009 February - Farmers threaten to halt livestock and grain sales in protest at agricultural export taxes. 2009 July - Legislative elections result in President Fernandez's Peronist party losing its absolute majorities in both houses of parliament. 2009 April - Argentina hands documents to UN formally laying claim to a vast expanse of the ocean, as far as the Antarctic and including island chains governed by Britain.[/I] Notice anything? Both in 2008 and in 2009 Kirchner was facing problems. I see it as no mere coincidence that claims were also made in both those years.[/QUOTE] The fact that you keep completely ignoring that this is not being covered up at all amazes me, this whole argument is about whether the goverment tries to cover up this issues and you keep failing to prove it. I'm not arguing there was no news about the goverment and it's claim on Malvinas while this issues were taking place, all i'm saying is that in no way this is used with the intention of covering up news with other news and this is what you are failing to either understand or prove.
Look at cute UK trying to preserve their colonies from their rihtful owners who they exterminated :v:
[QUOTE=LVL FACTORY;41832886]Look at cute UK trying to preserve their colonies from their rihtful owners who they exterminated :v:[/QUOTE] Gibraltar and The Falklands will be defended against all comers, and they're gonna remain British because the folk in those places want to be British.
[QUOTE=LVL FACTORY;41832886]Look at cute UK trying to preserve their colonies from their rihtful owners who they exterminated :v:[/QUOTE] The only reason we care is that the people living there emphatically want to be British, and we have a duty to defend their right to self-determination. If one day they all changed their minds and wanted to be Spanish instead, we would probably just hand them over.
[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;41831463]Yes, back in 1982. In a Dictatorship. Sponsored by the US. You do realize that Argentina is having issues with the IMF because it refuses to make some economical adjustments, the same adjustment that literally drove the country to [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2001_riots_in_Argentina"]default[/URL] back in 2001? One of these adjustments, was ironically, the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Currency_Board"]parity of the Peso with the Dollar[/URL], noticed some similarities with that link you posted previously? The fact that you keep completely ignoring that this is not being covered up at all amazes me, this whole argument is about whether the goverment tries to cover up this issues and you keep failing to prove it. I'm not arguing there was no news about the goverment and it's claim on Malvinas while this issues were taking place, all i'm saying is that in no way this is used with the intention of covering up news with other news and this is what you are failing to either understand or prove.[/QUOTE] I'm done with this. You haven't listened to anything I have said. You insist that I am saying it is about covering up specific issues - when I have already stated it isn't - and you keep on saying I have failed to prove anything when I have provided some examples which shows that times where claims have been pressed have coincided with unpopular points in Kirchner's career. On the contrary, [b]you[/b] have failed to show any evidence that proves me wrong. [QUOTE=LVL FACTORY;41832886]Look at cute UK trying to preserve their colonies from their rihtful owners who they exterminated :v:[/QUOTE] Are you really that simple minded? First of all, when did we ever exterminate the good people of Spain? Second, Gibraltar is legally ours. It was ceded to us in the Treaty of Utrecht, giving "the full and entire propriety of the town and castle of Gibraltar, together with the port, fortifications, and forts there unto belonging...[b] forever, without any exception or impediment whatsoever[/b]" - Article X, Treaty of Utrecht, 1713, Appendix I.
[QUOTE=latin_geek;41823270]Spain we can barely help ourselves what could you possibly be expecting[/QUOTE] I'm guessing they think Argentina could use it's current position on the UN Security Council to help. Unfortunately that would require ignoring the fact the UK can veto any decisions the council makes :v:
[QUOTE=LVL FACTORY;41832886]Look at cute UK trying to preserve their colonies from their rihtful owners who they exterminated :v:[/QUOTE]Here we go again. France has got more claim to the Falklands than Argentina has, for fuck's sake. Spain, even. Malvinas is even a derivative of the original French name for the islands, Malouines.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;41834334]Here we go again. France has got more claim to the Falklands than Argentina has, for fuck's sake. Spain, even. Malvinas is even a derivative of the original French name for the islands, Malouines.[/QUOTE] Which was itself from derived from Saint Malo - a Welsh saint. I love pointing out that little fact whenever the Falkland Islands debate comes up. The Argentinians insist on naming the islands after a Briton.
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