Intel and Micron unveils new 3D NAND technology - makes it possibly to create SSD's with 10TB of sto
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[QUOTE=Zezibesh;47416625]500MB SSD[/QUOTE]
i hope you mean gb
Sweet, but does this affect their durability at all?
Either way a drive like this would be really useful to have, as I'm currently using multiple 1TB drives, aswell as a 250GB external drive to store all my work files. Having them all in one drive with SSD access would be a life saver.
[QUOTE=Scot;47422592]i hope you mean gb[/QUOTE]
obviously I use a 512mb memory stick for my windows installation
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;47406494]We're very close to a shift when the HDD becomes a relic of the past like the diskette/floppy[/QUOTE]
Except in archival.
I'd rather an HDD/Tapes for archival then and SSD
[QUOTE=Xanoxis;47421944]Y'all are casuals, I have 250GB HDD so old I dont remember when I got it. Probably before 2007, maybe even sooner.[/QUOTE]
Hah. I got a 120GB IDE HDD still in use that dates back to before '04. I don't put anything on it, it's mostly just a museum at this point, but hey.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;47422545]It sounds great, but unless it goes into read only mode rather than outright failing, I'm not interested.[/QUOTE]
Good SSD's already do this.
[QUOTE=Elstumpo;47421552]I'm running a 300gb hd that's 6 years old. It's s miracle it even runs with what I put it through.[/QUOTE]
What black magic did you use?
[QUOTE=J!NX;47425500]What black magic did you use?[/QUOTE]
Way back when, stuff was actually made to last. I have a ~6 year old Hitachi drive that is just now starting to show signs of wear and has only recently starting throwing SMART warnings. Mostly about spinup time.
[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;47406520]Hopefully, I'm actually amazed the HDD survived so long being as slow and unreliable as it is
Can't wait for computers to become pretty much indestructible because there are no moving parts inside them to wear out and break[/QUOTE]
Interesting for you to say that, because in the long term a Hard Drive in ideal conditions has a theoretically unlimited life span. A solid state drive, while for any normal consumer will last ages, will in fact run into a point where it's gone through too many write cycles and can't do it anymore. I feel like if HDDs are replaced in the future, it won't be through SSDs, but some other form of storage.
[editline]31st March 2015[/editline]
Not to mention that a lot of SSDs are advertised kinda like a scam, seeing as performance benchmarking is usually done right out of the box, but SSDs genuinely get 'broken in' like about a month or so later, depending on your usage, and can see a large performance drop in that time frame. It's a great technology that works as a wonderful companion to a nice big HDD, but it just really isn't reliable enough to replace it.
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Not to mention that a lot of SSDs are advertised kinda like a scam, seeing as performance benchmarking is usually done right out of the box, but SSDs genuinely get 'broken in' like about a month or so later, depending on your usage, and can see a large performance drop in that time frame. [/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure that the newer SSD models don't have that anymore
[QUOTE=01271;47406543]No moving parts means radiation cooling.
Like the new macbook.[/QUOTE]
You still have air molecules hitting the outer shell of the Macbook, I'll be very surprised if any significant part of the cooling is made up of radiation. You just don't have anything moving the air.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;47428947]Interesting for you to say that, because in the long term a Hard Drive in ideal conditions has a theoretically unlimited life span. A solid state drive, while for any normal consumer will last ages, will in fact run into a point where it's gone through too many write cycles and can't do it anymore. [/QUOTE]
In the real world, though, magnetic platters suffer degradation like any other storage medium, while modern SSDs are good for so many read/write cycles that the average user would have to run constant benchmarking tests for [I]years[/I] to hit the cap. If you're talking 10+ years of typical use, I'd wager that the average consumer is more likely to cause irreparable damage to their HDD by bumping it a bit too hard than they are to ever hit the read/write cycle limit on an SSD.
Throw in the fact that storage devices keep getting bigger and better, so hardware tends to get upgraded every five or so years (or less), and the read/write cycle limit stops being relevant.
I just got rid of a 256GB HDD that I bought sometime in 2004. That's an eleven-year lifespan, but by the time I threw it out it had been entirely obsolete for at least half that time. The fact that I kept it was more due to complacency than anything else.
Don't forget also that the read/write limit is improving, as is storage density. I don't think it'll be long before SSDs replace HDDs entirely except for very specialized applications. As others have pointed out, HDDs are the weak link in computer operational speeds, it's only a matter of time before they get phased out.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47429829]In the real world, though, magnetic platters suffer degradation like any other storage medium, while modern SSDs are good for so many read/write cycles that the average user would have to run constant benchmarking tests for [I]years[/I] to hit the cap. If you're talking 10+ years of typical use, I'd wager that the average consumer is more likely to cause irreparable damage to their HDD by bumping it a bit too hard than they are to ever hit the read/write cycle limit on an SSD.
Throw in the fact that storage devices keep getting bigger and better, so hardware tends to get upgraded every five or so years (or less), and the read/write cycle limit stops being relevant.
I just got rid of a 256GB HDD that I bought sometime in 2004. That's an eleven-year lifespan, but by the time I threw it out it had been entirely obsolete for at least half that time. The fact that I kept it was more due to complacency than anything else.
Don't forget also that the read/write limit is improving, as is storage density. I don't think it'll be long before SSDs replace HDDs entirely except for very specialized applications. As others have pointed out, HDDs are the weak link in computer operational speeds, it's only a matter of time before they get phased out.[/QUOTE]
You wanna see how consumer grade SSD's last? [URL="http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead"]Look here.[/URL]
[QUOTE=Levelog;47431907]You wanna see how consumer grade SSD's last? [URL="http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead"]Look here.[/URL][/QUOTE]
Color me impressed. According to that I could write a half terabyte of data to my SSD [i]every day[/i] and expect it to last at least five years. Even the very worst one there, the Samsung, went a hundred terabytes before reallocating any sectors. If you do ten gigs of writing a day that would take twenty seven [i]years[/i] before it started reallocating any sectors, then another two hundred twenty before the device fails.
Based on that test I'd say the read/write limit is basically a non-issue now.
They mentioned these new SSDs will be cheaper to produce, but how much cheaper are we talking? I know the average price/GB for SSDs is at a slow, steady decline, but how will these new NANDs affect it?
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