UK prisoners lose appeal on right to vote - "a victory for common sense" claims David Cameron - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42543833]In some US prisons they smoke weed and post on Facebook.[/QUOTE] All prisoners should be allowed to do that.

Makes sense since when you go in prison you lose your rights

Prisons in Canada have polling booths during election time. For the purposes of voting their address is considered to either be where they were when they were arrested, where their spouse lives, or where they were when convicted. (But not the address of the prison, which would skew the polls) The right to vote should be completely inalienable, it's far too abusable when the system allows the government to strip the right to vote from whoever they want

You should not be able to vote in prison. You're in prison for a reason, because you broke the law. Now, why should you have a say in who writes the laws if you haven't followed them anyways? Provided, of course, that the law isn't corrupt.

[QUOTE=zombini;42542909]You can't vote in prison in the US either.[/QUOTE] In Canada prisoners got the franchise in the 90's but lost it later.

[QUOTE=Usernameztaken;42545347]You should not be able to vote in prison. You're in prison for a reason, because you broke the law. Now, why should you have a say in who writes the laws if you haven't followed them anyways? Provided, of course, that the law isn't corrupt.[/QUOTE] How do you tell when a law is corrupt?

[QUOTE=dunkace;42543347]Good, if you have done something to end up in prison you have likely done something that has gone against your country and society and should therefore have your vote forfeit.[/QUOTE] If I [I]really[/I] had to chose on what type of person should be disallowed a vote. It would be far right morons like you.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42545801]If I [I]really[/I] had to chose on what type of person should be disallowed a vote. It would be far right morons like you.[/QUOTE] Or Far left morons like you. Other people have different opinions to you that are perfectly valid. Deal with it.

Wait, not wanting people currently serving time in prison for crimes against society to be able to vote is a far right opinion? Since when?

what a slimebag, jesus christ

[QUOTE=Thom12255;42545837]Wait, not wanting people currently serving time in prison for crimes against society to be able to vote is a far right opinion? Since when?[/QUOTE] taking away inalienable rights is a far right opinion. [editline]16th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=zombini;42542909]You can't vote in prison in the US either.[/QUOTE] and? the US prison system is also a joke. this is pretty well established.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42546327]taking away inalienable rights is a far right opinion. [editline]16th October 2013[/editline] [/QUOTE] Who defines what an inalienable right is? The British government has defined the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_United_Kingdom#Right_to_participate_in_government"]'Right to participate in government' [/URL], as under the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representation_of_the_People_Act_1983"]'Representation of the People Act 1983'[/URL], [quote]Stated that a convicted person cannot vote at any parliamentary or local election whilst in prison.[/quote] . It is not a far right opinion to keep the law the way it is. Were the British government in 1983 just fascists or something? (It was Thatcher so I'm guessing you'll answer yes.)

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42545801]If I [I]really[/I] had to chose on what type of person should be disallowed a vote. It would be far right morons like you.[/QUOTE] People who want to strip others of rights shouldn't have rights.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;42546515]Who defines what an inalienable right is? The British government has defined the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_United_Kingdom#Right_to_participate_in_government"]'Right to participate in government' [/URL], as under the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representation_of_the_People_Act_1983"]'Representation of the People Act 1983'[/URL], It is not a far right opinion to keep the law the way it is. Were the British government in 1983 just fascists or something?[/QUOTE] Rights are inalienable by definition dude. If they can be taken away then they aren't rights.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42546524]Rights are inalienable by definition dude. If they can be taken away then they aren't rights.[/QUOTE] The British Government defines the rights for it's citizens, under that definition people serving time in prison have no right to vote. Do Children have the right to vote as well? Is it a far right opinion to say a 5 year old can't go into a voting booth in 2015?

[QUOTE=Thom12255;42546545]The British Government defines the rights for it's citizens, under that definition people serving time in prison have no right to vote.[/QUOTE] He's arguing that that technically makes voting a privilege that can be taken away.

Seems to make sense to me. You're in prison, you've infringed on someone else's rights and civil liberties, so why should you have a say on how the country is run. Then, when you've done your time and you're back in the world, you can vote again. Rights don't actually exist by the way. We'd all like to think they're real and set in stone, but they're not. Some guy came up with them one day and decided we'd pay attention to them. They change every so often, and that's because they can.

[QUOTE=Rents;42546517]People who want to strip others of rights shouldn't have rights.[/QUOTE] So David Cameron and the people who support stripping the right to vote from prisoners should lose their rights? Because your epic zinger means a lot less when you think about it.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;42546545]The British Government defines the rights for it's citizens, under that definition people serving time in prison have no right to vote. Do Children have the right to vote as well? Is it a far right opinion to say a 5 year old can't go into a voting booth in 2015?[/QUOTE] my point is that voting in the UK (and the US too, pretty much anywhere you can vote actually) is a privilege. lol how is that even comparable? prisoners are not minors.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42546579]my point is that voting in the UK (and the US too, pretty much anywhere you can vote actually) is a privilege. lol how is that even comparable? prisoners are not minors.[/QUOTE] My point is that there has always been exceptions to who is allowed to vote or not, it is right given out by the government to certain groups of people. I have no problem with this.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;42546606]My point is that there has always been exceptions to who is allowed to vote or not, it is right given out by the government to certain groups of people. I have no problem with this.[/QUOTE] then don't be dishonest by calling it a right. it's a privilege.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42546620]then don't be dishonest by calling it a right. it's a privilege.[/QUOTE] Not under the definition provided by British law.

[QUOTE=PulpedFiction;42542945]I can't vote if I've been caught for a crime but what about if I'm a successful criminal who's so far evaded the law?[/QUOTE] By this moronic logic, why bother having a justice system? It's only going to hit people who've been [I]caught[/I] breaking the law. As for the issue, yes. If you are sent to prison, you do not deserve to be able to vote. Be a functional citizen, obey the country's laws. If not, you lose the right to have any say in the country you've broken the law of. I simply do not see what the problem is here.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;42546631]Not under the definition provided by British law.[/QUOTE] what does it matter what the law says. US law in 1960 said black people couldn't vote. the law has been and is wrong. if you can give something to someone and then take it away for any arbitrary reason, it's a privilege no matter how you slice it. do you know what rights are?

Many people are in prison for relatively petty crimes and stuff like that, and they will get free after relatively short time, so i don't think that their right to vote should be stripped for that period. Also here in Europe, many countries have limited maximun sentences. Massmurderers and psychopaths are another story and they often get locked up to rest of their lives to mental hospitals and lose many of their rights because of their mental state. Hmm... In some countries people with severe dementia (or other decision affecting disease) loses their right to vote (too).

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42546704]do you know what rights are?[/QUOTE] I have shown you what rights are under British law, those are the rights that I have. You should enlighten me as to what you mean.

[QUOTE=Matriax;42546665]By this moronic logic, why bother having a justice system? It's only going to hit people who've been [I]caught[/I] breaking the law. As for the issue, yes. If you are sent to prison, you do not deserve to be able to vote. Be a functional citizen, obey the country's laws. If not, you lose the right to have any say in the country you've broken the law of. I simply do not see what the problem is here.[/QUOTE] What if the laws are shit? Or you are in jail without proper reason, only bacause you some high ranked officer hates you?

[QUOTE=Thom12255;42546776]I have shown you what rights are under British law, those are the rights that I have. You should enlighten me as to what you mean.[/QUOTE] and i'm telling you the british law is wrong and stupid. tell me what rights are, to YOU, not some appeal to authority.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42546836]and i'm telling you the british law is wrong and stupid. tell me what rights are, to YOU, not some appeal to authority.[/QUOTE] Who gives me inalienable rights? Which authority enforces them? How are they guaranteed? Who decides what rights are? My only answer is my Government which serves the people.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42546836]and i'm telling you the british law is wrong and stupid. tell me what rights are, to YOU, not some appeal to authority.[/QUOTE] Did you get whiplash going from using a fallacy to telling someone not to use a fallacy that fast?