Catholic Church firmly, quietly opposes firearms for civilians - Polidicks

Good thing I'm not catholic. I'm intending on purchasing a H&K G3 .308.

The same church that in one war urged quiet resistance against international warfare and then in the next urged quiet compliance with a small angry austrian. Roight. Oh well, I'll just have the father give me a hail mary or two for my CCP.

I own a hunting shotgun and along with thousands of other I aid the DEC in wildlife conservation. Am I a bad person because I own a shotgun?

I'm sure all the Republicans in the American bible belt are going to appreciate this.

[QUOTE=Robert64;27495702]This will probably touch a raw nerve, but I really don't understand. What's the benifit of allowing civilians to own guns apart from the selfish desire of having something that makes big noises and hurts people when pretty much all countries that allow this have a much higher amount of gun crime per person?[/QUOTE] 1) It isn't caused by guns. Correlation does not equal causation. 2) Self defense 3) Hunting 4) Sport [editline]19th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=BANNED USER;27513264]I'm sure all the Republicans in the American bible belt are going to appreciate this.[/QUOTE] I thought the bible belt was mostly baptist.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;27513994]1) It isn't caused by guns. Correlation does not equal causation. 2) Self defense 3) Hunting 4) Sport [/QUOTE] Don't for get that it enables citizens to successfully overthrow an oppressive government.

[QUOTE=MegaChalupa;27514084]Don't for get that it enables citizens to successfully overthrow an oppressive government.[/QUOTE] I've decided that it doesn't really matter much in this day and age. An armed people still wouldn't have a chance against the high tech military of today. A revolution would have to be political and any militant effort would rely on the American soldiers either siding with or refusing to fight American citizens.

[QUOTE=Billiam;27488748]Another example of the Catholic Church being incompetent in regards to their own faith. Don't they realize Jesus was an avid gun collector? [img_thumb]http://duanegraham.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/jesus_gun.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Reminds me of [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taih2zUOmIM[/media]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;27514146]I've decided that it doesn't really matter much in this day and age. An armed people still wouldn't have a chance against the high tech military of today. A revolution would have to be political and any militant effort would rely on the American soldiers either siding with or refusing to fight American citizens.[/QUOTE] That may be, but why else would the Vatican speak out against firearms? The Catholic church has always feared its followers.

[QUOTE=DoctorSalt;27488769]I'm sure that'll resound well with bible belt goers.[/QUOTE] They aren't Catholic [editline]18th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;27514146]I've decided that it doesn't really matter much in this day and age. An armed people still wouldn't have a chance against the high tech military of today. A revolution would have to be political and any militant effort would rely on the American soldiers either siding with or refusing to fight American citizens.[/QUOTE] The military are people too, they're not just mindless drones of the government

[QUOTE=MegaChalupa;27514474]That may be, but why else would the Vatican speak out against firearms? The Catholic church has always feared its followers.[/QUOTE] Because in reality the Catholic Church's ideal world(today) is peaceful and no guns follows that ideal of peace. [QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;27514529] The military are people too, they're not just mindless drones of the government[/QUOTE] What does that have to do with anything? Soldiers are probably more inclined to side with the government because of the ideals that the government is supposed to represent, plus they pay their bills, feeds their families, and pay their doctors. They would be hard pressed to side with a group of radicals trying to overthrow the government in a militant fashion.

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;27496721]One of the most horrific examples of taking something out of context I've ever seen. Really, quite astounding. [/QUOTE] Its perfectly in its boundary. If jesus had had a problem with him carrying a sword don't you think he would have called him out on it. Just like he calls everyone else out on things? Also even more ironic since the church teaches that peter was not only the most beloved disciple but that jesus gave him power over the church.

[img]http://rat-hunter.com/red-neck-rat-hunting.jpg[/img] "Baby Jesus loves me!"

So when the church puts a forceful opinion out, they're evil and nasty and they should stop trying to PUSH THEIR RELIGION ON US INTELLIGENT ATHEISTS, but when they quietly state that they oppose firearms for civilians they are still completely evil and terrible and it's a conspiracy against all the atheists of the world right?

I'm not really surprised. The Catholic Church is centered in Rome, far away from all that American Jingoism.

[QUOTE=Vinh255;27516288]So when the church puts a forceful opinion out, they're evil and nasty and they should stop trying to PUSH THEIR RELIGION ON US INTELLIGENT ATHEISTS, but when they quietly state that they oppose firearms for civilians they are still completely evil and terrible and it's a conspiracy against all the atheists of the world right?[/QUOTE] Since when is civilian gun ownership only exercised by atheists?

[QUOTE=Vinh255;27516288]So when the church puts a forceful opinion out, they're evil and nasty and they should stop trying to PUSH THEIR RELIGION ON US INTELLIGENT ATHEISTS, but when they quietly state that they oppose firearms for civilians they are still completely evil and terrible and it's a conspiracy against all the atheists of the world right?[/QUOTE] find me one person in the thread who's saying that but gg with the stupid "all atheists are angsty and feel oppressed" trope

How will the church fight of waves of homosexuals without guns when president Obama allows them to became people?

[QUOTE=Mudbone;27515915]Its perfectly in its boundary. If jesus had had a problem with him carrying a sword don't you think he would have called him out on it. Just like he calls everyone else out on things? Also even more ironic since the church teaches that peter was not only the most beloved disciple but that jesus gave him power over the church.[/QUOTE] Yeah, he does. If you actually read the next two lines, Christ rebukes the disciple for his violent action and heals the servant. You can't possibly be telling me you didn't know that.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;27496473][url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/30/2641300.htm[/url][/QUOTE] 4 people is not enough for a valid test

[QUOTE=DoctorSalt;27488769]I'm sure that'll resound well with bible belt goers.[/QUOTE] Yet the KKK hates Catholics even more than blacks [editline]19th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;27490673]In my experience protestants are the most liberal and catholics are the most conservative[/QUOTE] Orthodox Christianity is best Christianity [editline]19th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Atokniro;27518765]4 people is not enough for a valid test[/QUOTE] what?

[QUOTE=GunFox;27494569]Big surprise that the organization that didn't want people to be able to read also doesn't like them being armed.[/QUOTE] Interesting connection

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;27518395]Yeah, he does. If you actually read the next two lines, Christ rebukes the disciple for his violent action and heals the servant. You can't possibly be telling me you didn't know that.[/QUOTE] Yes. He rebukes him because he was trying to stop the romans from taking jesus since jesus told them before that they would come for him and not to try and stop him. The question at hand is people carrying weapons. Nothing in the following quotes says anything about him scolding him for carrying a weapon. Oh and nothing in the following says anything about him healing the servant.

"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

[QUOTE=Mudbone;27488923]Funny since the bible says that even jesus's followers carried weapons. John 18:10[URL="http://bible.cc/john/18-11.htm"] [/URL] Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.[/QUOTE] They never said we couldn't have swords.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;27514146]I've decided that it doesn't really matter much in this day and age. An armed people still wouldn't have a chance against the high tech military of today. A revolution would have to be political and any militant effort would rely on the American soldiers either siding with or refusing to fight American citizens.[/QUOTE] i hate when people do this kind of example. american soldiers swear an oath to defend the land, from both foreign and domestic threats. and even if many did fight, the americans aren't having a hell of a time in afghanistan against a couple ten thousand insurgents, think of what the millions of gun owners in the US could do.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;27533206]i hate when people do this kind of example. american soldiers swear an oath to defend the land, from both foreign and domestic threats. and even if many did fight, the americans aren't having a hell of a time in afghanistan against a couple ten thousand insurgents, think of what the millions of gun owners in the US could do.[/QUOTE] There aren't the same logistical problems in the USA as Afghanistan. The insurgents are also better armed then a rebellion in the USA would likely be unless another country sent aid.

[QUOTE=Mudbone;27530975]Yes. He rebukes him because he was trying to stop the romans from taking jesus since jesus told them before that they would come for him and not to try and stop him. The question at hand is people carrying weapons. Nothing in the following quotes says anything about him scolding him for carrying a weapon. Oh and nothing in the following says anything about him healing the servant.[/QUOTE] Different gospel: Luke 22.51: "But Jesus said, "No more of this!" And he touched his ear and healed him." Possibly the most clearest is Matthew 26.52: [i]"Then Jesus said to him (who attacked the servant), "Put your sword back into it's place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword."[/i] His entire life on Earth, Christ preached a message of peace, love and forgiveness - it's incredibly obvious throughout all Scripture. It's wrong to suggest that Christ condoned carrying weaponry.

"Jesus Christ. Stop camping that corner!"

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