ISIS beheads 4 Christian children for refusing to denounce faith
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[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46713237]So they can die with their rifles in their hands, or they can die when the IS comes around saying "ok now which one of you isn't a Shiite."[/QUOTE]
or they can do what most people do in these kinds of situations, sit around and hope for the best. maybe that's not ideal but not everyone in the world is a brave hardened militia commander like you 'ilikecorn', and some people don't really want to volunteer to have their families butchered or sold into slavery
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46713227]Ok. So a professional military has a shit ton more than just rifles and HMG's. They've got tanks, they've got aircraft, they've got ships, all of which requires maintinance and specialized training to use.
A "rag tag" group of villagers has some AK's, and some RPG's, maybe a technical, maybe some plastic explosives.
A professional military can wage war on a continental scale.
A "rag tag" group of villagers can wage a guerrilla style insurgency, you know, the same insurgency that's ACTIVELY fucked US soldiers up since 2001?[/QUOTE]
You're fucking delusional if you think that's all it is. Sure, guerrillas can fuck shit up bad, but they almost* always lose. If it hadn't been for the Coalition's intervention, Napoleon would have dominated Spain completely.
*see Viet-Cong, though their victory was also due to the U.S. Armed Forces being trained to deal with an enemy the likes of which were fought in Korea. The U.S. Lost in Vietnam because we were improperly trained.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46713242]why are you comparing a couple of poor villagers to an insurgency that battles the US?[/QUOTE]
yeah i mean, the insurgency in iraq & afghanistan weren't exactly just random villagers who picked up aks, alot of them were ex-iraq army or militants that have been fighting for a very long time. ISIS themselves is made up of people who have been constantly fighting since the start of the syrian civil war as well as veterans from the iraq war
lmao this site and armchair generals
[QUOTE=CheeseMan;46713274]lmao this site and armchair generals[/QUOTE]
armchair guerilla commandos
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46713259]The insurgency didn't just start out as a magical powerful force. It originally started from a group of pissed off people who later formed the Taliban. Every force starts off as a group of poor villagers.[/QUOTE]
No?
Deserters, former military soldiers, people with access to weapons?
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46713237]So they can die with their rifles in their hands, or they can die when the IS comes around saying "ok now which one of you isn't a Shiite."[/QUOTE]
How much war experience do you have?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46713319]How much war experience do you have?[/QUOTE]
Wikipedia war articles, YouTube WW2 documentaries and Total War/Paradox Interactive games.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46713329]Wikipedia war articles, YouTube WW2 documentaries and Total War/Paradox Interactive games.[/QUOTE]
BF4 commander mode too
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;46713255]You're fucking delusional if you think that's all it is. Sure, guerrillas can fuck shit up bad, but they almost* always lose. If it hadn't been for the Coalition's intervention, Napoleon would have dominated Spain completely.
*see Viet-Cong, though their victory was also due to the U.S. Armed Forces being trained to deal with an enemy the likes of which were fought in Korea. The U.S. Lost in Vietnam because we were improperly trained.[/QUOTE]
Not really, the US "lost" Vietnam because the public stopped supporting it. By every actual military measure we were winning. The losses were ~60,000 US dead to ~1.1 million Vietcong dead (and ~300,000 missing).
One could even argue that victory was technically achieved in the Paris Peace Accords with both the North and South Vietnamese, as well as the Vietcong, signing a ceasefire. The fact that the next US congress completely broke our promises made in that accord by not resupplying the South Vietnamese with military supplies that we promised should the North break the ceasefire is, in my mind, one of the biggest embarrassments in modern US history. It led to the literal mass slaughter of the South Vietnamese.
[I]if i were there, you would know i would be rip roarin some towel heads from here to sunday...[/I]
[editline]15th December 2014[/editline]
[I]heard of a little thing called the, uh, american revolution, pal? [/I][IMG]http://www.ueak.net/crash/temp/smug.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46713095]Oh wait the American revolution happened.. well shit guess you're out of luck.
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The French won you the American Revolution, ask any history professor and they will tell you the same thing. I think 90% of the gunpowder the Americans used was from the French. Also think about the advisers and such, the American revolution was basically the French attempting to undermine the British.
Considering no country is willing to perpetually pour millions of dollars and thousands of men into Iraq, you can't really say it's the same.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46713180]Well. If we're going by your example. A "rag tag" group from a village doesn't need logistics on a large scale, regular maintenance of the AK series of weapons is simple (so simple that children in Africa are doing it, regularly), and what gear and vehicles they would have they would have bought themselves.
Their "gear" would probably be a backpack, and their "vehicles" would be something like a toyota tacoma with a DShK mounted in the bed.[/QUOTE]
Ah, you mean like grandpa's old freedom truck?
I remember we used to go liberating villages in it when I was a kid.
The neighbors borrowed it once when theirs was in the shop. (fuckers left fast food wrappers and trash all in it.)
Nah... pure fucking fantasy, man.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46713095]Oh wait the American revolution happened.. well shit guess you're out of luck.
It's not like they couldn't get training either, there are plenty of "advisers" that are there.
What kind of training do they need? How to not get shot 101? How to insert magazine 101? How to point weapon in general vicinity of enemy and pull trigger 101?
The average people don't need training, their commanders would.[/QUOTE]
"Sometimes I think maybe I wanna join the army. I mean it's basically like FPS except better graphics"
I can't wait to get deployed and get shot at.
I joined at the worst possible time. "we are getting out of Iraq" they said, "we are entering peacetime operations" they said.
[video=youtube;TS3kiRYcDAo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS3kiRYcDAo[/video]
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46713095]Oh wait the American revolution happened.. well shit guess you're out of luck.
It's not like they couldn't get training either, there are plenty of "advisers" that are there.
What kind of training do they need? How to not get shot 101? How to insert magazine 101? How to point weapon in general vicinity of enemy and pull trigger 101?
The average people don't need training, their commanders would.[/QUOTE]
ilikecorn you never fail to leave me speechless, you truly never do
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46713136]You mean the part where the colonists were extremely poorly trained and poorly organized until the french showed up?
Or the part where the modern day civilians are poorly trained, until a force shows up, it's not like the US isn't over there training people.
How much training do you need to hold and fire an AKM? About 3.5 seconds of "hey mag goes here, pull this, now pull trigger"
And it's not like they'd be fighting without support either, or did you forget the massive waste of money that is the US intervention in the region, THAT JUST GOT MORE FUNDING?[/QUOTE]
Wow shit, I spent 347 days last year in the fdf when I could have spent 3.5 seconds
[QUOTE=StrikerTruck;46713563]I can't wait to get deployed and get shot at.
I joined at the worst possible time. "we are getting out of Iraq" they said, "we are entering peacetime operations" they said.
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But the US got out of Iraq like 3 years ago, why does no one ever think about Afghanistan. Like that is the war you are in the process of pulling out of now..
[QUOTE=Jsm;46713623]But the US got out of Iraq like 3 years ago, why does no one ever think about Afghanistan. Like that is the war you are in the process of pulling out of now..[/QUOTE]
Because we are likely to go back to Iraq. Just because I didn't mention it in my post doesn't mean I'm ignorant to the fact that we are still in Afghanistan.
[editline]15th December 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46713635]Spoken like a true boot. Deployment is a completely different beast, it's not like CoD, there's a lot of sitting around, a lot of boring, and then you go on patrol and spot a few weirdo's. Repeat 3x and then get into a firefight once, contact fades, go back to the FOB, debrief, then back to boring. And then every now and then you get to watch your friend get his leg blown off by an IED, and you get to watch your medic/corpsman fix him up, and then you get to watch your medic/corpsman slowly become more and more jaded.
Yes, deployment is totally a good time.[/QUOTE]
I find it extremely offensive that people think war is such a fun time/easy and are so gung-ho about "killing the towel heads" when they, or anyone they know, aren't serving.
They would of probably been beheaded even if they had denounced there faith.
[QUOTE=Rich209;46713925]They would of probably been beheaded even if they had denounced there faith.[/QUOTE]Don't think so, more child soldiers to brainwash would benefit them more than beheading them even if they wish to comply.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46713839]It's easy to say "we should do something about this" when they aren't part of "we". I've yet to meet anyone in the service who actually wants to fight the IS. When I went to pick up my DD-214, there was a line of 3 guys, and 2 of them were actually leaving the country that day and immigrating to Sweden, so they wouldn't have to come back in case the US pulled some bullshit "surge in iraq" thing like they did about a decade ago.[/QUOTE]
How long were you in for? Even if I'm out in 4 years, I can still be called to service up to 4 years after my contract is over with.
[QUOTE=Rich209;46713925]They would of probably been beheaded even if they had denounced there faith.[/QUOTE]
Better to die a martyr than a brainwashed member of ISIS.
Of course, it would be better if no one was killed, but, you know.
[QUOTE=Waffle Lord;46714138][B]Better to die a martyr than a brainwashed member of ISIS.[/B]
Of course, it would be better if no one was killed, but, you know.[/QUOTE]
This implies people actually care.
Christians have been slaughtered in Nigeria for years and no one really bats an eye (more specifically, no one on Facepunch or the general media.)
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46713136]You mean the part where the colonists were extremely poorly trained and poorly organized until the french showed up?[/quote]
Colonists weren't [B]that[/B] bad. They just happened to be going against the British army, which at the time was [B]the[/B] big name in military. Had they been fighting against Britain's [I]best[/I] armies, however, the revolution would have gotten nowhere, French support or not.
[quote]Or the part where the modern day civilians are poorly trained, until a force shows up, it's not like the US isn't over there training people.[/quote]
Do you know how hard is to train civilians into a military mentality? Because...
[quote]How much training do you need to hold and fire an AKM? About 3.5 seconds of "hey mag goes here, pull this, now pull trigger"[/quote]
That part is easy. The tricky part is "[B]how to actually hit the stuff you want to hit while the more experienced bad guys are shooting back[/B]".
[quote]And it's not like they'd be fighting without support either, or did you forget the massive waste of money that is the US intervention in the region, THAT JUST GOT MORE FUNDING?[/QUOTE]
America is not Superman
ISIS is digging their own graves every time they do shit like that.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;46714149]This implies people actually care.
Christians have been slaughtered in Nigeria for years and no one really bats an eye (more specifically, no one on Facepunch or the general media.)[/QUOTE]
Shit, I remember hearing about that once years ago and then never hearing anyone discussing it again. It's really surprising to see the amount of influence the media has on how much people care.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46714286]ISIS is digging their own graves every time they do shit like that.[/QUOTE]
What makes you think that? ISIS has been doing this since they came into power and they've only been getting stronger. Unless the Arab world is going to get their shit together and shut these guys down (doubtful) or the West has announced plans to actually put boots on the ground (equally doubtful) than they're absolutely going to get away with this.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46714286]ISIS is digging their own graves every time they do shit like that.[/QUOTE]
What's being done about it?
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46714286]ISIS is digging their own graves every time they do shit like that.[/QUOTE]
Who the hell is gonna stop them? If we go in its gonna be 2004-2011 all fucking over again, then we pull out and another terrible group will take power.
Not to sound like a uneducated retard, but was Iraq better or worse with Saddam?
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