• "I think women have vaginas; I think you call a person with a vagina a woman." Penny Arcade's Gabe s
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[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116893] Oh no a group of people with personal investment in this cause are disagreeing with me, you definitely represent the majority![/QUOTE] stop going on about the majority in all your arguments. the majority think two and a half men is good
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116830]Brain structures are a representation of psychological phenomenons. Schizophrenic people have different brain structures as well, and that's a mental illness.[/QUOTE] You are deliberately mixing up cause and effect. Schizophrenia has psychological manifestations because there is an underlying neurological abnormality, the psychological abnormalities do not cause the neurological disease. According to those studies transsexuals have brain structures that resemble the gender they identify with, which causes them to identify themselves as that particular gender. Neural changes lead to psychological/identity changes not vice versa.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116884]And how do you know you can't suppress transgenderness? I don't think anyone has ever made a medicine that attempted to deal with the illness, because as I said, everyone wants to have it socially accepted. Again, it is likely no different than any other mental illness, that's all these radical deviations from normal human behavior are, it isn't even a necessarily bad thing, and I'd say that transgenderness isn't one of those bad mental illnesses (schizophrenia, for example, is).[/QUOTE] Disorder, not illness. Even disorder is a bad term to use because of it's negative connotation, being transgender is not something that will objectively seen as a disorder either.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;41116915]I simply think it's unnecessary. If I wanted to insult transgenders, I would. Infact, I think you're an insecure moron looking for self gratification attacking people for showing their opinions on [b]a forum[/b]. How about you get your life together instead of wasting your time here? There, I just insulted a transgender. Not because you're transgender, because you're an idiot. Much [img]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/ratings/heart.png[/img] to the rest of you guys though, I don't think Dori is representative. [editline].[/editline] I'll take my ban for flaming now.[/QUOTE] I'm not transgendered
[QUOTE=acds;41116805]Nobody has to respect you either though. Give respect get respect, don't give respect and you probably won't be getting any back. Debating is better when respect is being traded as well as arguments.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but this isn't a two way street. I'm not disrespecting anyone by being me. But when someone decides to talk shit about me or people like me, then they're being disrespectful and intolerant. And at that point, all bets are off. You're the root of the problem, and by all means I will treat you as such. You don't get to be respected.
[QUOTE=Xubs;41116913]Would you like to argue with me because I can speak first hand, honey. No, you can't suppress it. Yes, I've seen people try.[/QUOTE] Seen people try with medicine and complex psychological therapy? Without that next to no one can escape mental illness (see: schizophrenia, if you attempt to fight it on your own, you will likely lose)
[QUOTE=Raiskauskone;41116850]Women have vaginas[/QUOTE] shut up, cis oppressor
[QUOTE=Flapadar;41116915]I simply think it's unnecessary. If I wanted to insult transgenders, I would. Infact, I think you're an insecure moron looking for self gratification attacking people for showing their opinions on [b]a forum[/b]. How about you get your life together instead of wasting your time here? There, I just insulted a transgender. Not because you're transgender, because you're an idiot. [B]Much [img]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/ratings/heart.png[/img] to the rest of you guys though, I don't think Dori is representative. [/B] [editline].[/editline] I'll take my ban for flaming now.[/QUOTE] which is why you continue to address transgendered people in the same way that you'd address "those blacks"
stop comparing schizophrenia with being transgendered, jesus christ. completely different causes and effects
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;41116929]Sorry, but this isn't a two way street. I'm not disrespecting anyone by being me. But when someone decides to talk shit about me or people like me, then they're being disrespectful and intolerant. And at that point, all bets are off. You're the root of the problem, and by all means I will treat you as such. You don't get to be respected.[/QUOTE] Why the persecution complex? Why do you feel victimized because we hold opinions on your life? Once again, this is an internet forum, the only reason we are sharing these opinions is because that is the point of the forum. We don't mean to target you, stop thinking we are attempting to hurt you.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116830]Brain structures are a representation of psychological phenomenons. Schizophrenic people have different brain structures as well, and that's a mental illness.[/QUOTE] correlation=/=causation dude Lack of white matter is a symptom of schizophrenia but does not cause it
[QUOTE=Hellduck;41116925]the majority think two and a half men is good[/QUOTE] The "majority" doesn't even watch it.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41116957]stop comparing schizophrenia with being transgendered, jesus christ. completely different causes and effects[/QUOTE] So? The cold and the flu have completely different causes and effects, but they're both sicknesses, they're BOTH mental illnesses, they are different because they are different things, of course, but they're both mental illnesses.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116939]Seen people try with medicine and complex psychological therapy? Without that next to no one can escape mental illness (see: schizophrenia, if you attempt to fight it on your own, you will likely lose)[/QUOTE]Hey, how do those "homosexual cures" go? Please, by all means, feel free to argue about that one.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116960]Why the persecution complex? Why do you feel victimized because we hold opinions on your life? Once again, this is an internet forum, the only reason we are sharing these opinions is because that is the point of the forum. We don't mean to target you, stop thinking we are attempting to hurt you.[/QUOTE] Well you're kind of causing them distress by calling their life a lie like if I told you that gender and sex are two different things and people shouldn't be ashamed of their bodies [editline]20th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116981]So? The cold and the flu have completely different causes and effects, but they're both sicknesses, they're BOTH mental illnesses, they are different because they are different things, of course, but they're both mental illnesses.[/QUOTE] A mental illness in your opinion. It's nowhere in the DSM-V lol
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116960]Why the persecution complex? Why do you feel victimized because we hold opinions on your life?[/QUOTE] A juxtaposition like that cannot happen by accident; I'm calling troll.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41116957]stop comparing schizophrenia with being transgendered, jesus christ. completely different causes and effects[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, I never meant to, I was just trying to respond to his inane comments. Obviously they are not even remotely close, but in order to explain why his argument was flawed I had to use his own example.
[QUOTE=Xubs;41116959]hence, people like you[/QUOTE] or maybe it's people like you deciding i could never understand
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41116951]which is why you continue to address transgendered people in the same way that you'd address "those blacks"[/QUOTE] Or those people? What would you refer to a group of people as? How would you define a group other than by a characteristic (whether membership of a group, or a shared characteristic)? Do you need to take so much personal offence to something like that? [QUOTE=Dori;41116928]I'm not transgendered[/QUOTE] Noted. I still stand by the rest of my points though.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;41116982]Hey, how do those "homosexual cures" go? Please, by all means, feel free to argue about that one.[/QUOTE] I don't think sexuality is the same as wanting to be a different gender, gender identity is a more deeply ingrained mental concept, and it being disrupted seems to be a big enough change to the brain that it can be actually dealt with.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116960]We don't mean to target you, stop thinking we are attempting to hurt you.[/QUOTE] Yet you keep referring to transgendered people as them having a mental illness? Are you for fucking real?
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;41116984]Well you're kind of causing them distress by calling their life a lie like if I told you that gender and sex are two different things and people shouldn't be ashamed of their bodies [editline]20th June 2013[/editline] A mental illness in your opinion. It's nowhere in the DSM-V lol[/QUOTE] Because they don't want to be ripped apart and called bigoted transphobes by people like you.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117007]I don't think[/QUOTE] stopped reading here. come back when you can prove that/
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41116885]almost everyone posting here disagrees with you right now i'm not sure what the 'reality' is supposed to be[/QUOTE] lol i see u havent taken the red pill yet fuckin blue pill beta male manginas excuse me some chick across the street is sniffing the air because she senses the presence of an alpha male, I must go spread thine seed
[QUOTE=Flapadar;41117003]Or those people? What would you refer to a group of people as? How would you define a group other than by a characteristic?[/QUOTE] It's the "transgenders" vs "transgendered people"/"transpeople". "Transgenders" isn't the word for the group of all people who are transgendered.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;41117013]Yet you keep referring to transgendered people as them having a mental illness? Are you for fucking real?[/QUOTE] Why do you think your feelings are enough to defy reality. You can argue all you want that because you think transgenders should be respected means that you defy conventional science, but you really don't.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117007]I don't think sexuality is the same as wanting to be a different gender, gender identity is a more deeply ingrained mental concept, and it being disrupted seems to be a big enough change to the brain that it can be actually dealt with.[/QUOTE] go ask the thousands of happily transgendered people how they think their brains have coped with it
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117007]I don't think sexuality is the same as wanting to be a different gender, gender identity is a more deeply ingrained mental concept, and it being disrupted seems to be a big enough change to the brain that it can be actually dealt with.[/QUOTE] Okay tell me how we can deal with transsexualism, and what's wrong with the current methods (such as sexual reassignment surgery)?
[QUOTE=Flapadar;41117003] Do you need to take so much personal offence to something like that? [/QUOTE] you're not a bad person for inadvertently offending somebody. you're a bad person for continuing to do something which many people have repeatedly told you offends them
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;41116929]Sorry, but this isn't a two way street. I'm not disrespecting anyone by being me. But when someone decides to talk shit about me or people like me, then they're being disrespectful and intolerant. And at that point, all bets are off. You're the root of the problem, and by all means I will treat you as such. You don't get to be respected.[/QUOTE] do you think this will make your position better because you react to all hostility with hostility? I'm on your side, but I don't see being hostile and being rude to those that don't see your way right away is ever going to help you.
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