• "I think women have vaginas; I think you call a person with a vagina a woman." Penny Arcade's Gabe s
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[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41117037]go ask the thousands of happily transgendered people how they think their brains have coped with it[/QUOTE] Because they appeased their mental illness, that could be a good way of going about it really, but then we do come to the social problems of just not really liking the choice.
[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;41117029]It's the "transgenders" vs "transgendered people"/"transpeople". "Transgenders" isn't the word for the group of all people who are transgendered.[/QUOTE] Ok I'll use transgendered people from now [QUOTE=Dori;41117039]you're not a bad person for inadvertently offending somebody. you're a bad person for continuing to do something which many people have repeatedly told you offends them[/QUOTE] oh no i insulted someone on the internet. Didn't you learn a long time ago you need to have a reasonably thick skin and just take shit without taking it personally?
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117035]Why do you think your feelings are enough to defy reality. You can argue all you want that because you think transgenders should be respected means that you defy conventional science, but you really don't.[/QUOTE] please stop using the term 'reality' in an argument you're basically trying to say that you're objectively right and that's really dumb
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117035]Why do you think your feelings are enough to defy reality. You can argue all you want that because you think transgenders should be respected means that you defy conventional science, but you really don't.[/QUOTE] There's nothing in traditional science that says a man can't be born with a womans mindset or vice versa so I don't think you have a clue about what "medical" facts you're basing things on.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116960]Why the persecution complex? Why do you feel victimized because we hold opinions on your life? Once again, this is an internet forum, the only reason we are sharing these opinions is because that is the point of the forum. We don't mean to target you, stop thinking we are attempting to hurt you.[/QUOTE]Because I AM THE FUCKING VICTIM. I did not choose my gender identity. Its not something I picked, its not a fucking switch. Its not something that can be changed despite what your bigoted mentality may tell you. By perpetuating this bullshit, you are insuring that I and others like me will be further stigmatized and put down in life. You do not get to hold a fucking opinion on who I am, that is not how it fucking works. Just shove your pathetic opinion up your ass and go blow a horse. I'm fucking done arguing with bigots like you for now, I feel like I'm about to have an anneurism.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117045]Because they appeased their mental illness, that could be a good way of going about it really, but then we do come to the social problems of just not really liking the choice.[/QUOTE] me being pansexual has caused far more problems for myself than being androgynous has stop talking out of your ass
Its like its an unwritten rule that every thread related to transpeople turns into a shitstorm. It always turns into ad hominem and name calling lmao. example: [QUOTE=Dori;41116863]you have no reason other than your own bigotry to criticize people for using "cisgender" but not "transgender." you take the use of the word "cisgender" as an insult because you're a [b]bigot[/b][/QUOTE] [img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Graham's_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement1.svg/375px-Graham's_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement1.svg.png[/img] Relating to Gabe, he was basically flamebaiting on twitter, he knew it would start a shitstorm. Its not like he's trying to prove a point, just his way of entertainment I guess. Unsurprisingly Facepunch took the bait too.
actually I have literally no problems with being transgendered, i thought about what gender i fit in to but it definitely wasn't a struggle.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;41117038]Okay tell me how we can deal with transsexualism, and what's wrong with the current methods (such as sexual reassignment surgery)?[/QUOTE] Maybe nothing, you're right that appeasing the illness is better than any other choice, suppressing will probably be too complicated if not completely impossible. You're right, but it is still a mental illness, whether it should be appeased or not. And back to the point is that when people do appease it, that's where people judging their situation comes in. That's where we are, I can think that such a lifestyle or situation or whatever is disagreeable, same as I don't really look up to schizophrenics. I have my opinion, and I'm not persecuting you here, I'm just sharing my opinion on an internet forum where that's kinda all we're supposed to do.
[QUOTE=Aspen;41116947]shut up, cis oppressor[/QUOTE] I wonder what sort of punishment I would be given for being such a tyrannical oppressor than all the capitalist fatcats in the world combined. [editline]20th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Aspen;41116947]shut up, cis oppressor[/QUOTE] I wonder what sort of punishment I would be given for being bigger tyrannical oppressor than all the capitalist fatcats in the world combined.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;41117046] oh no i insulted someone on the internet. Didn't you learn a long time ago you need to have a reasonably thick skin and just take shit without taking it personally?[/QUOTE] didn't you learn how to be an empathetic and likeable human being
Can I get stuff straight? Do transgender people really dislike being referred to their biological gender, dispute the fact that it is not incorrect to refer to them as such? Transgender itself is not a disability but gender identity disorder is? what would qualify the difference?
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;41117060]Because I AM THE FUCKING VICTIM. I did not choose my gender identity. Its not something I picked, its not a fucking switch. Its not something that can be changed despite what your bigoted mentality may tell you. By perpetuating this bullshit, you are insuring that I and others like me will be further stigmatized and put down in life. You do not get to hold a fucking opinion on who I am, that is not how it fucking works. Just shove your pathetic opinion up your ass and go blow a horse. I'm fucking done arguing with bigots like you for now, I feel like I'm about to have an anneurism.[/QUOTE] You aren't the victim, I'm not blaming you for "picking" being a transgender, I never said that and please don't accuse me of shit I never said. I am just sharing my opinion on your infliction. Deal with it, this is what you NEED to deal with in society, people will JUDGE you. You don't deserve to be exempt for NO REASON.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117088]Maybe nothing, you're right that appeasing the illness is better than any other choice, suppressing will probably be too complicated if not completely impossible. You're right, but it is still a mental illness, whether it should be appeased or not. And back to the point is that when people do appease it, that's where people judging their situation comes in. That's where we are, I can think that such a lifestyle or situation or whatever is disagreeable, same as I don't really look up to schizophrenics. I have my opinion, and I'm not persecuting you here, I'm just sharing my opinion on an internet forum where that's kinda all we're supposed to do.[/QUOTE] You're literally saying that you dislike a group of people based on the fact that they were born with abnormal brain structures, and are asking that this opinion be respected in an intellectual manner. I don't know how to make this any clearer, but get fucked.
[QUOTE=zombojoe;41117067]Relating to Gabe, he was basically flamebaiting on twitter, he knew it would start a shitstorm. Its not like he's trying to prove a point, just his way of entertainment I guess. Unsurprisingly Facepunch took the bait too.[/QUOTE] That's what I think. Like I said earlier, the way he said it sounds like he knows he's wrong, but wanted the replies to inflate his ego.
i don't know man, why is every other people group on the planet except this one expected to just deal with what they were born into
[QUOTE=zombojoe;41117067]Its like its an unwritten rule that every thread related to transpeople turns into a shitstorm. It always turns into ad hominem and name calling lmao. example: [img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Graham's_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement1.svg/375px-Graham's_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement1.svg.png[/img] Relating to Gabe, he was basically flamebaiting on twitter, he knew it would start a shitstorm. Its not like he's trying to prove a point, just his way of entertainment I guess. Unsurprisingly Facepunch took the bait too.[/QUOTE] if you're bigoted, you are bigoted. stop thinking there's some magical barrier surrounding you that protects you from being called out on your crap. if no one does something about it, then your chances of understanding will be lesser
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117088]Maybe nothing, you're right that appeasing the illness is better than any other choice, suppressing will probably be too complicated if not completely impossible. You're right, but it is still a mental illness, whether it should be appeased or not. And back to the point is that when people do appease it, that's where people judging their situation comes in. That's where we are, I can think that such a lifestyle or situation or whatever is disagreeable, same as I don't really look up to schizophrenics. I have my opinion, and I'm not persecuting you here, I'm just sharing my opinion on an internet forum where that's kinda all we're supposed to do.[/QUOTE] where do you not realize that calling it a mental illness is offensive? are you mentally ill yourself as to not realize what empathy is?
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117088] I have my opinion, and I'm not persecuting you here[/QUOTE] I think you need to look up what 'persecuting' means because by consistently comparing transgendered people to schizophrenics and being persistent in referring to them as having a mental illness, I'm pretty sure that's exactly what you're doing.
[QUOTE=Dori;41117097]didn't you learn how to be an empathetic and likeable human being[/QUOTE] Did you?
[QUOTE=Patriarch;41117111]You're literally saying that you dislike a group of people based on the fact that they were born with abnormal brain structures, and are asking that this opinion be respected in an intellectual manner. I don't know how to make this any clearer, but get fucked.[/QUOTE] Where did I say I disliked them? Show me a post where I expressly said I didn't like them, or that my judgments of them have at all changed my opinion of them. You can't, because I have never said that I disliked them. I just don't really like it, it isn't your fault, it isn't a choice, it just isn't for me, why do you think that I can't dislike your unfortunate reality?
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117109]You aren't the victim, I'm not blaming you for "picking" being a transgender, I never said that and please don't accuse me of shit I never said. I am just sharing my opinion on your infliction. Deal with it, this is what you NEED to deal with in society, people will JUDGE you. You don't deserve to be exempt for NO REASON.[/QUOTE] we don't get to be exempt from discrimination because... what? Everyone should be exempt from discrimination. What you're talking about here is solely a prejudice.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117109]Deal with it, this is what you NEED to deal with in society, people will JUDGE you. You don't deserve to be exempt for NO REASON.[/QUOTE] Oh, so all that harassment is perfectly fine and dandy then, no complaints allowed because it just happens. Right, makes total sense.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117154]Where did I say I disliked them? Show me a post where I expressly said I didn't like them, or that my judgments of them have at all changed my opinion of them. You can't, because I have never said that I disliked them. I just don't really like it, it isn't your fault, it isn't a choice, it just isn't for me, why do you think that I can't dislike your unfortunate reality?[/QUOTE] Nah, you have [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117088]That's where we are, I can think that such a lifestyle or situation or whatever is disagreeable, same as I don't really look up to schizophrenics.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=innerfire34;41117120]i don't know man, why is every other people group on the planet except this one expected to just deal with what they were born into[/QUOTE] ??
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41117135]where do you not realize that calling it a mental illness is offensive? are you mentally ill yourself as to not realize what empathy is?[/QUOTE] But I'm talking about the objective reality, I have constantly attempting to make sure you guys didn't think I mean this offensively, I don't.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41117155]we don't get to be exempt from discrimination because... what? Everyone should be exempt from discrimination. What you're talking about here is solely a prejudice.[/QUOTE] except that isn't really the case right now i don't think white straight males or white straight women are exempt from being offended in modern society i don't see how you even came to that conclusion really
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;41115343]the fuck does "cis" even mean?[/QUOTE] [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111209153024/csatheseparatists/images/thumb/5/50/Wiki-background/180px-Wiki-background.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117184]But I'm talking about the objective reality, I have constantly attempting to make sure you guys didn't think I mean this offensively, I don't.[/QUOTE] we've had this conversation before lambda, you don't know shit about objectivity
[QUOTE=Dori;41117097]didn't you learn how to be an empathetic and [B]likeable[/B] human being[/QUOTE] you sure as shit didn't hee hee
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