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[QUOTE=Patriarch;41117173]Nah, you have[/QUOTE]
How does that say I dislike them at all?
[QUOTE=innerfire34;41117195]we've had this conversation before lambda, you don't know shit about objectivity[/QUOTE]
calm down we're on the same side don't friendly fire
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117184]But I'm talking about the objective reality, I have constantly attempting to make sure you guys didn't think I mean this offensively, I don't.[/QUOTE]
but that isn't an "objective reality". You can claim it is, but you haven't shown a droplet of proof about this. please stop until you understand that both, this is offensive and needlessly so, and doesn't really mean anything from a "medical standpoint".
[QUOTE=Dori;41117097]didn't you learn how to be an empathetic and likeable human being[/QUOTE]
I dunno I guess I should have pushed that old lady I helped from my work to the bus stop during my shift in front of a truck instead.
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In all seriousness there's a time and place for empathy. Discussions/debates on a forum isn't one of them.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117207]Suck my dick we're on the same side don't friendly fire[/QUOTE]
im not on anyones side i genuinely dont understand and no one will answer my questions because youre busy shitting on them
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41117193]except that isn't really the case right now
i don't think white straight males or white straight women are exempt from being offended in modern society
i don't see how you even came to that conclusion really[/QUOTE]
I guess if you spent all your time on the internet.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41117209]but that isn't an "objective reality". You can claim it is, but you haven't shown a droplet of proof about this. please stop until you understand that both, this is offensive and needlessly so, and doesn't really mean anything from a "medical standpoint".[/QUOTE]
Okay, I understand, I guess transgender should be exempt from classification just because it's mean to do so.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117198]How does that say I dislike them at all?[/QUOTE]
You say you disagree with their lifestyle; it's like saying you disagree with the lifestyle of homosexuals. You might think that you don't hate them, but you're basically saying that you don't agree with everything they're doing.
[QUOTE=innerfire34;41117175]??[/QUOTE]
A lot of issues follow people through their entire life, and you're taught to live with them and are brought up in a way to minimize damage and accomodate you. An autist is going to have a lot of support from the start.
This is a problem related to what is basically sexual development. You've been through puberty, now imagine being told you're a male but everything in your body telling you you're a female. It all blows up from there. It's also something that hasn't been discussed for a long amount of time, or often.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41117193]except that isn't really the case right now
i don't think white straight males or white straight women are exempt from being offended in modern society
i don't see how you even came to that conclusion really[/QUOTE]
what
i'm saying he has no right to say the transgendered population shouldn't be exempt from discrimination. Almost like he's trying to say discrimination based upon gender, sex, race and whatnot is OK, and that transgendered people are just trying to get a special pass.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117088]Maybe nothing, you're right that appeasing the illness is better than any other choice, suppressing will probably be too complicated if not completely impossible. You're right, but it is still a mental illness, whether it should be appeased or not. And back to the point is that when people do appease it, that's where people judging their situation comes in. That's where we are, I can think that such a lifestyle or situation or whatever is disagreeable, same as I don't really look up to schizophrenics. I have my opinion, and I'm not persecuting you here, I'm just sharing my opinion on an internet forum where that's kinda all we're supposed to do.[/QUOTE]
Come on, man even your choice of words should be a clue to how wrong and aggressive you are! "Appeasing" and "suppressing", do you really think those are something you can equate with something as complicated and deep as (human) sexuality (maybe in a BDSM setting, I guess)? I mean even according to Merriam-Webster "suppress: to put down by authority or force".
And stop bringing up schizophrenia, it has no relevance to the topic at hand. And if you are stating your opinions keep science out of it, science and your opinions are completely different, you have shown time and time again that you have no understanding of science and you are simply distorting facts to suit your opinion. And finally, yes we are all exchanging opinions, you are and all the people who are calling you out for your bigoted, outdated and ignorant views are too.
[QUOTE=zombojoe;41117218]I guess if you spent all your time on the internet.[/QUOTE]
wait, so that time where one of my friends walked through richmond and was harrassed for being white by a gang of chinese? or other examples in an area where white's aren't the majority in nothern america
also, I'm not a straight white male so don't start hurling shit at me over that.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117184]But I'm talking about the objective reality, I have constantly attempting to make sure you guys didn't think I mean this offensively, I don't.[/QUOTE]
"illness" is a loose human classification open to interpretation, it's not like something as definite as a type of chemical element
[QUOTE=Patriarch;41117229]You say you disagree with their lifestyle; it's like saying you disagree with the lifestyle of homosexuals. You might think that you don't hate them, but you're basically saying that you don't agree with everything they're doing.[/QUOTE]
Oh so I need to agree with everything they do or else I hate them? That's literally what you're saying, you can't get out of this now.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41117231]what
i'm saying he has no right to say the transgendered population shouldn't be exempt from discrimination. Almost like he's trying to say discrimination based upon gender, sex, race and whatnot is OK, and that transgendered people are just trying to get a special pass.[/QUOTE]
but what you're saying is everyone should be exempt from offense. I'm not saying anyone should be singled out, but why should anyone be safe when no one else is?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41117242]wait, so that time where one of my friends walked through richmond and was harrassed for being white by a gang of chinese? or other examples in an area where white's aren't the majority in nothern america
also, I'm not a straight white male so don't start hurling shit at me over that.[/QUOTE]
what you're saying is completely unrelated to what I am
i'm trying to portray that discrimination is [I]not ok.[/I] not that it [B]doesn't exist.[/B]
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117247]Oh so I need to agree with everything they do or else I hate them? That's literally what you're saying, you can't get out of this now.[/QUOTE]
no, you need to stop saying they're mentally ill
[QUOTE=Ogris;41117230]A lot of issues follow people through their entire life, and you're taught to live with them and are brought up in a way to minimize damage and accomodate you. An autist is going to have a lot of support from the start.
This is a problem related to what is basically sexual development. You've been through puberty, now imagine being told you're a male but everything in your body telling you you're a female. It all blows up from there. It's also something that hasn't been discussed for a long amount of time, or often.[/QUOTE]
but i dont know a central part of the rest of the arguments im hearing are that it isn't a mental illness, like autism, so why should we treat it like one?
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117184]But I'm talking about the objective reality, I have constantly attempting to make sure you guys didn't think I mean this offensively, I don't.[/QUOTE]
Can't believe I'm gonna quote Sanius, that's a first for me.
[QUOTE=Dori;41116664]what you don't get is that your intentions don't matter. whether or not you mean to hurt somebody doesn't change the fact that you hurt them, and going on to use "I didn't mean to" as an apology is really shitty[/QUOTE]
Hiding behind 'i didn't mean to' is fine once. Consistently doing it is just being a goddamn coward. You can talk shit about 'not meaning it offensively' but your consistent use of the phrase 'mental illness' among other things shit all over it.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41117259]what you're saying is completely unrelated to what I am
i'm trying to portray that discrimination is [I]not ok.[/I] not that it [B]doesn't exist.[/B][/QUOTE]
i agree, discrimination is bad. i didn't say it wasn't
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41117258]but what you're saying is everyone should be exempt from offense. I'm not saying anyone should be singled out, but why should anyone be safe when no one else is?[/QUOTE]
Based on race, gender and whatnot, why shouldn't everyone be as exempt from discrimination as possible? Are you encouraging violence?
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;41115392]I have a question, somebody please help me
If i have a big, fat cock
but balls the size of raisins
what does this make me??[/QUOTE]
Anything but natty
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41117231]what
i'm saying he has no right to say the transgendered population shouldn't be exempt from discrimination. Almost like he's trying to say discrimination based upon gender, sex, race and whatnot is OK, and that transgendered people are just trying to get a special pass.[/QUOTE]
Yes you are, why aren't people allowed to judge you? Why are something as abstract as gender identity immune to being questioned? If you want to come to a middle ground we can say that there is no objective reality on the situation of transgenderness [you won't, though], and it is all up to people's interpretations, so why can't people have different opinions and conclusions on it?
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41117272]Based on race, gender and whatnot, why shouldn't everyone be as exempt from discrimination as possible? Are you encouraging violence?[/QUOTE]
offense and discrimination are different. why is that line drawn to be the same?
[QUOTE=Ogris;41117230]A lot of issues follow people through their entire life, and you're taught to live with them and are brought up in a way to minimize damage and accomodate you. An autist is going to have a lot of support from the start.[/QUOTE]
And even that won't help at times, sadly.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117247]Oh so I need to agree with everything they do or else I hate them? That's literally what you're saying, you can't get out of this now.[/QUOTE]
It's not like saying "I don't care for cake"; Cake eating only makes up a tiny fragment of a person's life. But for some people, transsexualism forms a massive part of your life, and so in saying transsexuals are mentally ill, you're basically insulting that person, especially since transsexualism isn't inherently harmful.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117284]Yes you are, why aren't people allowed to judge you? Why are something as abstract as gender identity immune to being questioned? If you want to come to a middle ground we can say that there is no objective reality on the situation of transgenderness [you won't, though], and it is all up to people's interpretations, so why can't people have different opinions and conclusions on it?[/QUOTE]
why is there an "objective reality" about this situation that you know that we don't? why can't you prove this if it's a medical fact?
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;41117269]Can't believe I'm gonna quote Sanius, that's a first for me.
Hiding behind 'i didn't mean to' is fine once. Consistently doing it is just being a goddamn coward. You can talk shit about 'not meaning it offensively' but your consistent use of the phrase 'mental illness' among other things shit all over it.[/QUOTE]
Well I'm not one to change my vocabulary just so I don't offend people that shouldn't really be offended in the first place.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41117242]wait, so that time where one of my friends walked through richmond and was harrassed for being white by a gang of chinese? or other examples in an area where white's aren't the majority in nothern america
also, I'm not a straight white male so don't start hurling shit at me over that.[/QUOTE]
You can't be racist to white people on Facepunch.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41117285]offense and discrimination are different. why is that line drawn to be the same?[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about discrimination, what the fuck. I never brought up plain offense.
This whole argument has springed up because you can't read what I posted.
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