"I think women have vaginas; I think you call a person with a vagina a woman." Penny Arcade's Gabe s
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41117442]
i don't think you're going about this the right way[/QUOTE]
I don't give a shit. I'm sick of people thinking that they have an inalienable right to make peoples lives miserable because they can't be bothered to act like decent human beings
[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;41117434]I'm not part of "a movement". Since you agree that transgendered people (including males, with no vaginas, identifying as women) are definitely a real thing, it logically follows that the statement "all women have vaginas" is false. Even if you think it's a mental illness, it doesn't suddenly make the very obvious counterexamples not exist.[/QUOTE]
Well the only reason you could ever say that is because of your interpretation of human social ability, so no, it isn't objectively correct. Sorry, but your interpretation of the world is not the only one, and no, it isn't the objectively correct one either you arrogant dick.
[QUOTE=innerfire34;41117450][url]http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/2131[/url]
[url]http://www.apa.org/monitor/mar02/genetic.aspx[/url]
once again this is going to sound like im being a dick but once again i'm just connecting terms to things i've heard before to this topic which i am new to, but eating disorders are also linked to malfunctioning genes and hormones. as someone who doesn't understand in my opinion a reassignment surgery so you feel more comfortable with your given genes/hormones is like an anorexic person getting their stomach stapled so they feel more comfortable. Incredibly insensitive comparison and whatnot, but in my mind i can't see much of a difference. point out the flaws in my thinking.[/QUOTE]
rip me a new asshole and stop telling me i can't understand it doesn't make it any easier to empathize, [I]and i actually really fucking want to[/I]
[QUOTE=Fetret;41117417]Because he did? If people complained about his use of the term woman that means he either made an honest mistake anyone can make, where the correct response would have been to apologize and move on as I said, or did it on purpose, which is wrong on many levels.[/QUOTE]
That's the equivalent of me going to a KKK meeting, claim blacks are "rational, nice people" and then being forced to apologize because they got upset at my ridiculous assertion.
Woman functionally means someone with a vagina, all the whining in the world won't change that.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41117442][B]i don't think you're going about this the right way[/B][/QUOTE]
i'm perfectly sure you understand that people are triggered by certain things that can cause mental meltdowns and loss of motivation or self respect. not everyone is a robot
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117440]So he should just give in to people so as to not offend people who shouldn't be offended over someone else's interpretation and worldview? How dictatorial![/QUOTE]
No, what I'm saying is, if someone says they were truly offended by something you said you apologize if you didn't it on purpose or don't if you really believe in it. If he truly believes in what he posted then that is wrong on many levels as we have endlessly discussed over these eleven pages.
[QUOTE=Dori;41117463]I don't give a shit. I'm sick of people thinking that they have an inalienable right to make peoples lives miserable because they can't be bothered to act like decent human beings[/QUOTE]
I'm sick of people thinking they have an inalienable right to not be judged for their sexuality or gender. You are a human, and you are judged. You may dislike it, but you aren't immune from humanity.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;41117472]i'm perfectly sure you understand that people are triggered by certain things that can cause mental meltdowns and loss of motivation or self respect. not everyone is a robot[/QUOTE]
for example, tell your anorexic girlfriend she's "looking way better"
[QUOTE=Dori;41117463]I don't give a shit. I'm sick of people thinking that they have an inalienable right to make peoples lives miserable because they can't be bothered to act like decent human beings[/QUOTE]
Until free speech is no longer a thing it's gonna happen you might as well get used to it.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;41117472]i'm perfectly sure you understand that people are triggered by certain things that can cause mental meltdowns and loss of motivation or self respect. [/QUOTE]
that's what alcohol is for.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;41117469]That's the equivalent of me going to a KKK meeting, claim blacks are "rational, nice people" and then being forced to apologize because they got upset at my ridiculous assertion.
Woman functionally means someone with a vagina, all the whining in the world won't change that.[/QUOTE]
Just tell me where in the book of facts it says "woman = vagina" and I'll agree to all your statements.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117467]Well the only reason you could ever say that is because of your interpretation of human social ability, so no, it isn't objectively correct. Sorry, but your interpretation of the world is not the only one, and no, it isn't the objectively correct one either you arrogant dick.[/QUOTE]
Neither is yours but you're throwing the term 'objective reality' around like it's on your word-of-the-day calendar.
Dori, if you're literally unhappy with what I'm saying, I'm extremely sorry. I don't mean to hurt you in any way, you are a great guy and I would never want to make someone who just argues what he believes hurt in any way. I'm sorry my opinion hurts you, but this wasn't my intention, I was simply sharing my beliefs, as we are supposed to do.
[QUOTE=Fetret;41117492]Just tell me where in the book of facts it says "woman = vagina" and I'll agree to all your statements.[/QUOTE]
heh
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117478]I'm sick of people thinking they have an inalienable right to not be judged for their sexuality or gender. You are a human, and you are judged. You may dislike it, but you aren't immune from humanity.[/QUOTE]
This is weird, twice in one page. You are right again, but why are you being so defensive when people judge your world view then?
Shit didn't realize we weren't on the same page anymore... Disregard that.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;41117496]Neither is yours but you're throwing the term 'objective reality' around like it's on your word-of-the-day calendar.[/QUOTE]
Well I came to a middleground that you can't say there's an objective answer to this issue, which would still work with what I'm saying in the end, we should be able to judge, especially because of the fact that there is no objective reality and singular correct interpretation.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117467]Well the only reason you could ever say that is because of your interpretation of human social ability, so no, it isn't objectively correct. Sorry, but your interpretation of the world is not the only one, and no, it isn't the objectively correct one either you arrogant dick.[/QUOTE]
So, what part of that don't you agree with? It's pure logic. Gabe "thinks" that no women without vaginas exist. Women without vaginas exist. Therefore, Gabe is wrong. It's modus tollens.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117503]I'm sorry my opinion hurts you, but this wasn't my intention, I was simply sharing my beliefs, as we are supposed to do.[/QUOTE]
Is it getting through your thick skull? If you don't intend to hurt people, either shut up or phrase it in a way that isn't embarrassingly condescending, in a way that doesn't paint you as a gigantic fucking prick.
sigh
why did you post this on fp, op.
it always just becomes this HAH TRANSPEOPLE NEED TO STOP GETTING BUTTHURT XD shit
[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;41117402]He's objectively wrong, though.[/QUOTE]
No he isn't. In the English language "woman" is still synonymous with "female," just because some people on Tumblr are messing with language conventions doesn't mean the rest of the world is responsible for catching up.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117503]Dori, if you're literally unhappy with what I'm saying, I'm extremely sorry. I don't mean to hurt you in any way, you are a great guy and I would never want to make someone who just argues what he believes hurt in any way. I'm sorry my opinion hurts you, but this wasn't my intention, I was simply sharing my beliefs, as we are supposed to do.[/QUOTE]
thanks for the condescension, it really makes me feel better after being treated like a subhuman
you are the worst humanity has to offer
[QUOTE=Fetret;41117509]This is weird, twice in one page. You are right again, but why are you being so defensive when people judge your world view then?
Shit didn't realize we weren't on the same page anymore... Disregard that.[/QUOTE]
Because I'm being called a bigot and being slandered, and I'm being called out on causing SUICIDE. I wouldn't be irked too much if it wasn't for the RIDICULOUS claims being made.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117478]I'm sick of people thinking they have an inalienable right to not be judged for their sexuality or gender. You are a human, and you are judged. You may dislike it, but you aren't immune from humanity.[/QUOTE]
so it's k to judge someone for being homosexual even though it's something that they thesmselves can't really help being? ur a fucking joke m8.
[QUOTE=Dori;41117463]I don't give a shit. I'm sick of people thinking that they have an inalienable right to make peoples lives miserable because they can't be bothered to act like decent human beings[/QUOTE]
And I think people are sick of you insulting them simply because they don't agree with every single thing you say or don't care about an issue as much as you do.
[QUOTE=Fetret;41117492]Just tell me where in the book of facts it says "woman = vagina" and I'll agree to all your statements.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Gates-How-Many-People-LGBT-Apr-2011.pdf"]Because an overwhelming majority of women have a vagina.[/URL]
[quote]An estimated 3.5% of adults in the United States identify as lesbian, gay, or bisexual and
an estimated
[B]0.3% of adults are transgender.[/B]
[/quote]
[QUOTE=Dori;41117528]thanks for the condescension, it really makes me feel better after being treated like a subhuman
you are the worst humanity has to offer[/QUOTE]
I'm not condescending you you asshole, I'm fucking apologizing to you. Why the fuck is it so difficult for you to accept that I don't hate you? I'm legitimately sorry and I feel honestly awful if I caused you distress.
[QUOTE=MegaChalupa;41117525]No he isn't. In the English language "woman" is still synonymous with "female," just because some people on Tumblr are messing with language conventions doesn't mean the rest of the world is responsible for catching up.[/QUOTE]
The definition changing isn't from Tumblr.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117535]Because I'm being called a bigot and being slandered, and I'm being called out on causing SUICIDE. I wouldn't be irked too much if it wasn't for the RIDICULOUS claims being made.[/QUOTE]
except they aren't as ridiculous as you think
[QUOTE=Dori;41117528]thanks for the condescension, it really makes me feel better after being treated like a subhuman[/quote]
[quote]subhuman[/quote]
[quote]you are the worst humanity has to offer[/QUOTE]
so calling someone subhuman is unforgivable but calling them the worst humanity has to offer isn't so bad?
right?
get your head out of your arse
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117549]I'm not condescending you you asshole, I'm fucking apologizing to you. Why the fuck is it so difficult for you to accept that I don't hate you? I'm legitimately sorry and I feel honestly awful if I caused you distress.[/QUOTE]
See my post earlier where I addressed him directly : [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1280420&p=41116915&viewfull=1#post41116915]link[/url]
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;41117542][URL="http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Gates-How-Many-People-LGBT-Apr-2011.pdf"]Because an overwhelming majority of women have a vagina.[/URL][/QUOTE]
Minorities don't exist. Now we know.
[QUOTE=innerfire34;41117450][URL]http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/2131[/URL]
[URL]http://www.apa.org/monitor/mar02/genetic.aspx[/URL]
once again this is going to sound like im being a dick but once again i'm just connecting terms to things i've heard before to this topic which i am new to, but eating disorders are also linked to malfunctioning genes and hormones. as someone who doesn't understand in my opinion a reassignment surgery so you feel more comfortable with your given genes/hormones is like an anorexic person getting their stomach stapled so they feel more comfortable. Incredibly insensitive comparison and whatnot, but in my mind i can't see much of a difference. point out the flaws in my thinking.[/QUOTE]
Anorexia and bullimia are actually much fairer comparisons than schizophrenia is I'll admit.
Yes, the main thing is things not working as they should; That's why it's called a disorder, however the reasons why it happens is different. As you said, eating disorders can be linked to genes and hormones being fucked up; But can also come from peer pressure (anorexia in girls; for example).
Here, peer pressure just fucks things up more and never starts the problem in the first place. You're a man so be a man hey! Who the fuck cares if everything inside you is telling you you're a girl right?
It's a touchy subject and hard to describe. Sexual identity is a far worse issue than something like eating disorders, not because they're all that different. But it's a fundamental part of your ego and self image. While eating disorders are a part of that, sexual identity is a fundamental part of it, you can accept your body image as it comes down to confidence and can master it psychologically even if it takes a huge amount of time.
This, you cannot. Yet people force themselves to believe that it's somehow a "choice" from the side of people with AIS, they dont have a choice, they're enslaved to what signals their body is sending them for their entire life. You try telling them they're weird? You pretty much told them you're not human. If you meant it or not, that IS what you said.
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