"I think women have vaginas; I think you call a person with a vagina a woman." Penny Arcade's Gabe s
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[QUOTE=BigPalooka;41117813]Getting REALLY fucking tired of this PC bullshit.[/QUOTE]
yeah I know Dreamcast is better than PC or any other console
For all its ups and downs this actually has been a productive and informative discussion. I hope I did not offend anyone and I'm sorry if I did. I tried to be as factual and logical as I could. With the way the post count is going I'll probably won't bother to catch up with this thread, but good night everyone.
[QUOTE=BigPalooka;41117813]Getting REALLY fucking tired of this PC bullshit.[/QUOTE]
there's nothing 'politically correct' about not being socially retarded. stop thinking that it is
[QUOTE=Flapadar;41117817]I'm not saying GSMs can't play the victim card - i'm just saying it isn't worth playing it by simply saying they collectively are victims of violence - that simply doesn't work.
If he'd said something like "GSMs are 50% more likely to be the victim of violence than <x>" sure, ok, that's a good argument.[/QUOTE]
well thats obviously what he meant jesus.
[QUOTE=Dori;41117784]hanlon's law. no normal person is going to throw a fit if you misgender them. it only becomes a problem when you passive-aggressively misgender them after you're corrected[/QUOTE]
Yes, however I'm arguing this point because I believe in such a case ignorance is understandable, and not malicious, and I disagree entirely that 95% of misgenderization is malicious, I think ignorance is the majority.
[QUOTE=Dori;41117819]your grasp of language is objectively poor
"him" and "her" describe gender, not sex[/QUOTE]
What if I want it to describe sex, why am I wrong just because you're unhappy about it. You can't just change entire definitions just because you feel bad. Stop imposing your opinions on people for no reason.
[QUOTE=BigPalooka;41117813]Getting REALLY fucking tired of this PC bullshit.[/QUOTE]
hating political correctness aka WHY WONT YOU LET ME BE RACIST/HOMOPHOBIC/TRANSPHOBIC WAAAAAAAAAH
[QUOTE=Dori;41117819]your grasp of language is objectively poor
"him" and "her" describe gender, not sex[/QUOTE]
According to the Oxford dictionary and wikipedia, Gender can be used to refer to sex
[QUOTE=Hellduck;41117838]well thats obviously what he meant jesus.[/QUOTE]
So instead of actually getting some figures so he's credible he doesn't and insults everyone instead?
that's why these threads are always shitstorms.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;41117841]Yes, however I'm arguing this point because I believe in such a case ignorance is understandable, and not malicious, and I disagree entirely that 95% of misgenderization is malicious, I think ignorance is the majority.[/QUOTE]
yes and I'm sure skel and most level-headed people feel the same way
[QUOTE=Ogris;41117569]Anorexia and bullimia are actually much fairer comparisons than schizophrenia is I'll admit.
Yes, the main thing is things not working as they should; That's why it's called a disorder, however the reasons why it happens is different. As you said, eating disorders can be linked to genes and hormones being fucked up; But can also come from peer pressure (anorexia in girls; for example).
Here, peer pressure just fucks things up more and never starts the problem in the first place. You're a man so be a man hey! Who the fuck cares if everything inside you is telling you you're a girl right?
It's a touchy subject and hard to describe. Sexual identity is a far worse issue than something like eating disorders, not because they're all that different. But it's a fundamental part of your ego and self image. While eating disorders are a part of that, sexual identity is a fundamental part of it, you can accept your body image as it comes down to confidence and can master it psychologically even if it takes a huge amount of time.
This, you cannot. Yet people force themselves to believe that it's somehow a "choice" from the side of people with AIS, they dont have a choice, they're enslaved to what signals their body is sending them for their entire life. You try telling them they're weird? You pretty much told them you're not human. If you meant it or not, that IS what you said.[/QUOTE]
even if it's much harder, i don't see why, for example the guy who emailed gabe, would think it's easier to get everyone in the world to call him a sex he wasn't born into rather than to just accept he's a man dressed as a woman, and identifies as a woman, but is still going to be called a man by a bigoted angry few whose opinions he can't change.
This thread feels too much like tumblr.
Make it stop!
[QUOTE=Xubs;41117891]you're being intensely disrespectful now and it really seems like you're just doing it out of spite[/QUOTE]
Ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Frisk;41117897]This thread feels too much like tumblr.
Make it stop![/QUOTE]
I don't see porn or Dean/Castiel shippings anywhere, so nope not tumblr enough
[QUOTE=Skelmech;41117851]hating political correctness aka WHY WONT YOU LET ME BE RACIST/HOMOPHOBIC/TRANSPHOBIC WAAAAAAAAAH[/QUOTE]
Yeah because I think it's stupid someone would get offended over something SO minor i'm a homophobe....sigh.
It's not like he's saying "I hate everyone who think they're a woman", that would definitely by homophobic.
[QUOTE=Xubs;41117891]you're being intensely disrespectful now and it really seems like you're just doing it out of spite[/QUOTE]
you have said literally nothing of value while this ogris guy has been great at changing my ignorant mindset
take a lesson from the guy who actually responds to ignorance by trying to educate instead of insulting me every fucking time i post
[QUOTE=Skelmech;41117851]hating political correctness aka WHY WONT YOU LET ME BE RACIST/HOMOPHOBIC/TRANSPHOBIC WAAAAAAAAAH[/QUOTE]
Fucking wow
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;41117828]yeah I know Dreamcast is better than PC or any other console[/QUOTE]
I like your style.
Oh and if anyone actually has questions about being trans hit me up.
[QUOTE=BigPalooka;41117913]Yeah because I think it's stupid someone would get offended over something SO minor i'm a homophobe....sigh.[/QUOTE]
its minor to be called/treated like shit because of how you identify with yourself? alright cool
next time im threatened for being trans with a knife i'll just laugh it off at how minor it is.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;41117858]So instead of actually getting some figures so he's credible he doesn't and insults everyone instead?
that's why these threads are always shitstorms.[/QUOTE]
"90% of LGBT students (vs. 62% of non-LGBT teens) have been harassed or assaulted during the past year." [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth#Reports_and_studies[/url]
happy? not that this even needed to be shown, EVERYBODY knows that discrimination against LGBT is a problem
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;41115392]I have a question, somebody please help me
If i have a big, fat cock
but balls the size of raisins
what does this make me??[/QUOTE]
time to get get the arimidex out!!
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117924]Fucking wow[/QUOTE]
if you have an issue with what i said then you could politely explain it to me and we could have a discussion over it
or you could just opt out to be passive aggressive. i guess that works too.
Exactly how I would expect this thread to turn out. 14 pages in 2 hours.
[QUOTE=Skelmech;41117934]its minor to be called/treated like shit because of how you identify with yourself? alright cool
next time im threatened for being trans with a knife i'll just laugh it off at how minor it is.[/QUOTE]
Where was anyone treated like shit over this? All I saw was maybe an off-color remark, but it wasn't intended to be foul or harmful. And where did it mention anyone getting death threats?
[b]EDIT:[/b]
NVM I saw the above Wiki article, but that has nothing to do with people getting offended by a slightly offensive remark.
[QUOTE=Skelmech;41117934]its minor to be called/treated like shit because of how you identify with yourself? alright cool
next time im threatened for being trans with a knife i'll just laugh it off at how minor it is.[/QUOTE]
Yes, because somebody making a game on the internet is akin to somebody holding you at knife point.
Fantastic argument.
[QUOTE=Xubs;41117891]you're being intensely disrespectful now and it really seems like you're just doing it out of spite[/QUOTE]
and tbph anyway i don't give a fuck about how respected my words make you feel while i'm trying to find out which way to think about it so you do feel respected
[QUOTE=Skelmech;41117851]hating political correctness aka WHY WONT YOU LET ME BE RACIST/HOMOPHOBIC/TRANSPHOBIC WAAAAAAAAAH[/QUOTE]
Oh so nobody can criticize political correctness because that automatically makes you a bigot,racist, ect ect. Fantastic way of arguing... please educate us on how much of a bigot we are if we disagree with your opinion.
[QUOTE=Skelmech;41117951]if you have an issue with what i said then you could politely explain it to me and we could have a discussion over it
or you could just opt out to be passive aggressive. i guess that works too.[/QUOTE]
Uh how about the fact that you accused him of being RACIST/HOMOPHOBIC/TRANSPHOBIC without knowing [B]anything[/B] about him just because he doesn't completely agree with you in every single way.
[QUOTE=Skelmech;41117799]how did i say every mistake was an attack? if you know that someone is a transperson and you intentionally call them by their sex/previous gender then you are either a. doing it to hurt them or b. doing it out ignorance of the subject
get over yourself and stop trying to attack me for saying the least people could do is educate THEMSELVES about the types of people they will meet in the fucking world.[/QUOTE]
By saying ignorance is inexcusable you are saying every mistake is an attack. People can't be expected to know if someone is trans immediately upon meeting them, and if they refer to them by their sex accidentally I fail to see how that could be malicious. Every point you've put forward is saying that unless you can somehow magically tell if someone is trans and you call them the wrong thing then you're attacking them. I also disagree completely that 95% of misrepresentations are malicious, because not all ignorance is malicious, and ignorance of the person's transgenderism is entirely likely to make up the majority of the times someone uses the wrong gender. The fact that you act like not knowing someone is trans and calling them the wrong thing is an attack on them is why I told you to get over yourself, because not every time someone calls you the wrong gender is done out of hatred, despite the fact that you seem to be acting like it is.
[QUOTE=Dori;41117860]yes and I'm sure skel and most level-headed people feel the same way[/QUOTE]
That's not what I'm getting from them, I think there's been a communication error somewhere here.
[QUOTE=Hellduck;41117945]"90% of LGBT students (vs. 62% of non-LGBT teens) have been harassed or assaulted during the past year." [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth#Reports_and_studies[/url]
happy? not that this even needed to be shown, EVERYBODY knows that discrimination against LGBT is a problem[/QUOTE]
Much better. And yeah - it does. If you want to make a credible argument you don't do it without proof and in an aggressive tone like he did.
At least this way anyone who doesn't know can just read up on it instead of seeing the rants of some angry dude.
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