"I think women have vaginas; I think you call a person with a vagina a woman." Penny Arcade's Gabe s
1,221 replies, posted
[QUOTE=Dori;41117860]yes and I'm sure skel and most level-headed people feel the same way[/QUOTE]
missed this post but yeah. 95% was an exaggeration people
remember 50% of statistics are made up 80% of the time.
If transgenderism is a mental illness then so is homosexuality, and I know a post calling homosexuals mentally ill would be a lot less well received by FP. Transsexuals however remain an acceptable target to dismissively insult.
[QUOTE=Xubs;41118116]he would've learned to use the correct pronoun by now instead of continuing with what was already outlined as insulting behavior
if he learned it's insulting behavior and continued to use it otherwise, he's doing it on the purpose of being insulting. Even if he wasn't, he still insulted.[/QUOTE]
you 'being offended' and me 'being offensive' aren't the same fucking thing
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;41118120]Lol 15 pages, SH you never fail to keep the debates coming.[/QUOTE]
i cant wait for the third part of tropes vs videogames to come out
[QUOTE=RobbL;41118107]Tbh you could say it's a mental illness, you could say it's not. There's no concrete definition of the word
But yeah since it's offensive it's best to opt for a different term[/QUOTE]
I was told it was when individuals couldn't function correctly in society without assistance or help. Where you draw the line is still a little blurry
[QUOTE=BigPalooka;41118125]Look I don't have a problem with Political Correctness itself, but people getting Offended over something that was no where near offensive, and certainly wasn't meant with malicious harm is what bothers me.[/QUOTE]
intentionally baiting out transpeople with your twitter posts about how they aren't ~real women~ because of whats in their pants to anger them is hurtful and offensive though.
[QUOTE=Hellduck;41118150]i cant wait for the third part of tropes vs videogames to come out[/QUOTE]
i forgot that was even a thing
[QUOTE=Ownederd;41118136]'ahahahahahaha ..just another day in SH LOL! :D'
this is literally extremely annoying. if you aren't gonna contribute, then cease[/QUOTE]
for a guy who literally only posts about how shitty people are in threads, i don't see why this doesn't apply to you
[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - MaxOfS2D))[/highlight]
dOn't laugh beyond the hearing creek. it's suction and seduction will allow no sleep. so keep kep kp k
?a
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41118183]for a guy who literally only posts about how shitty people are in threads, i don't see why this doesn't apply to you[/QUOTE]
because he doesn't only do that.
[QUOTE=Skelmech;41118198]because he doesn't only do that.[/QUOTE]
pretty much every post he has is picking out a user, shitting on that user for not being on topic or not being a good person in his view.
pretty much every post.
So hang on a minute here, we seem to have an issue with gender identification and what makes a person Male or Female. The simple and most forward response one would give would be a persons physical anatomy. If you have a penis, you're a male; if you have a vagina, you're a female. Except one would argue that gender is a mental state of existence rather than outward physical appearance. If one is convinced they're a woman, then they will call themselves a woman, regardless of what's in their pants. If this is the case, can [i]animals[/i] be transexual also? Granted, they lack the ability to use clothing as a (forgive my word choice) costume to portray a particular personality, and they also are unable to complete gender surgery. So, does this mean our decisions and the roles we take factor in to what our gender is? Or does it have to be appearance? If we go by appearance then yeah, I guess you could possibly change gender roles. I couldn't find any pictures of transgendered animals, so to help you all understand the illustration, let's use a Pony as the example since you are all familiar with them.
[img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/1c2e7d1ebbe8967dcef4df323dc401c8/tumblr_mf390wgyA01r4nf4ao1_1280.png[/img]
So here's an example of a Female pony attempting to portray themselves as a Male pony. The pony one would assume considers itself to be a Stallion, due to their personal view of themselves. They want to portray a sense of more strength than they would as a Mare. So, does the appearance and/or the personality make a persons gender? It all seems openly debatable. To be honest, I let natural Science (chromosomes) make the base assessment for me into what gender a person is, and how I would [i]view[/i] them. However, I will still [i]perceive[/i] them as a female since that's who they believe they truly are.
I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to make a Transgender identification debate thread in Mass Debate, it seems like it would be a better place to openly discuss the topic this thread seems to have taken.
[QUOTE=BigPalooka;41118125]Look I don't have a problem with Political Correctness itself, but people getting Offended over something that was no where near offensive, and certainly wasn't meant with malicious harm is what bothers me.[/QUOTE]
What counts as offensive varies by person to person.
[QUOTE=Skelmech;41118158]intentionally baiting out transpeople with your twitter posts about how they aren't ~real women~ because of whats in their pants to anger them is hurtful and offensive though.[/QUOTE]
The social justice army on Tumblr calling for him to check his privilege does nothing though. If anything it just makes people laugh at the transgendered community
Why did you have to bring a pony into this banned user?
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;41118215]So hang on a minute here, we seem to have an issue with gender identification and what makes a person Male or Female. The simple and most forward response one would give would be a persons physical anatomy. If you have a penis, you're a male; if you have a vagina, you're a female. Except one would argue that gender is a mental state of existence rather than outward physical appearance. If one is convinced they're a woman, then they will call themselves a woman, regardless of what's in their pants. If this is the case, can [i]animals[/i] be transexual also? Granted, they lack the ability to use clothing as a (forgive my word choice) costume to portray a particular personality, and they also are unable to complete gender surgery. So, does this mean our decisions and the roles we take factor in to what our gender is? Or does it have to be appearance? If we go by appearance then yeah, I guess you could possibly change gender roles. I couldn't find any pictures of transgendered animals, so to help you all understand the illustration, let's use a Pony as the example since you are all familiar with them.
[t]http://25.media.tumblr.com/1c2e7d1ebbe8967dcef4df323dc401c8/tumblr_mf390wgyA01r4nf4ao1_1280.png[/t]
So here's an example of a Female pony attempting to portray themselves as a Male pony. The pony one would assume considers itself to be a Stallion, due to their personal view of themselves. They want to portray a sense of more strength than they would as a Mare. So, does the appearance and/or the personality make a persons gender? It all seems openly debatable. To be honest, I let natural Science (chromosomes) make the base assessment for me into what gender a person is, and how I would [i]view[/i] them. However, I will still [i]perceive[/i] them as a female since that's who they believe they truly are.
I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to make a Transgender identification debate thread in Mass Debate, it seems like it would be a better place to openly discuss the topic this thread seems to have taken.[/QUOTE]
no stop that's offensive what you're born as is irrelevant to life
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;41118215]So hang on a minute here, we seem to have an issue with gender identification and what makes a person Male or Female. The simple and most forward response one would give would be a persons physical anatomy. If you have a penis, you're a male; if you have a vagina, you're a female. Except one would argue that gender is a mental state of existence rather than outward physical appearance. If one is convinced they're a woman, then they will call themselves a woman, regardless of what's in their pants. If this is the case, can [i]animals[/i] be transexual also? Granted, they lack the ability to use clothing as a (forgive my word choice) costume to portray a particular personality, and they also are unable to complete gender surgery. So, does this mean our decisions and the roles we take factor in to what our gender is? Or does it have to be appearance? If we go by appearance then yeah, I guess you could possibly change gender roles. I couldn't find any pictures of transgendered animals, so to help you all understand the illustration, let's use a Pony as the example since you are all familiar with them.
[t]http://25.media.tumblr.com/1c2e7d1ebbe8967dcef4df323dc401c8/tumblr_mf390wgyA01r4nf4ao1_1280.png[/t]
So here's an example of a Female pony attempting to portray themselves as a Male pony. The pony one would assume considers itself to be a Stallion, due to their personal view of themselves. They want to portray a sense of more strength than they would as a Mare. So, does the appearance and/or the personality make a persons gender? It all seems openly debatable. To be honest, I let natural Science (chromosomes) make the base assessment for me into what gender a person is, and how I would [i]view[/i] them. However, I will still [i]perceive[/i] them as a female since that's who they believe they truly are.
I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to make a Transgender identification debate thread in Mass Debate, it seems like it would be a better place to openly discuss the topic this thread seems to have taken.[/QUOTE]
Thanks to this post, I have full insight on the transgedership in animals. Thank you BANNED USER, you have changed my life.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;41118224]The social justice army on Tumblr calling for him to check his privilege does nothing though. If anything it just makes people laugh at the transgendered people.
Why did you have to bring a pony into this banned user?[/QUOTE]
the whole "tumblr = social justice" thing is really annoying you know. social justice was around long before tumblr was even a thought in karps mind.
and how is informing him that he is wrong, that some women also have a penis, worth laughing at? people go OH IF THEY WOULD JUST EDUCATE ME INSTEAD OF GOING STRAIGHT TO INSULTING ME MAYBE I'D LIKE TRANNIES but then you laugh and keep trhowing HAHA TUMBLR CHECK UR PRIV at them when they try to educate you.
gee its like its impossible to make anyone take you seriously or listen to you if you're trans.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;41118224][B]The social justice army on Tumblr calling for him to check his privilege[/B] does nothing though. If anything it just makes people laugh at the transgendered community
[B]Why did you have to bring a pony into this banned user?[/B][/QUOTE]
oh my god lmao. drop it
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;41118215] If this is the case, can [i]animals[/i] be transexual also? Granted, they lack the ability to use clothing as a (forgive my word choice) costume to portray a particular personality, and they also are unable to complete gender surgery. So, does this mean our decisions and the roles we take factor in to what our gender is? Or does it have to be appearance? If we go by appearance then yeah, I guess you could possibly change gender roles. I couldn't find any pictures of transgendered animals, so to help you all understand the illustration, let's use a Pony as the example since you are all familiar with them.[/QUOTE]
(I'm assuming you weren't joking with the pony thing)
Animals have been known to occasionally behave like the opposite sex. If we consider the normal behavior for an animal of each sex to be a "gender role", then those would very likely be considered transgendered animals.
Could this not be taken to the Mass Debate forum
You know, the subforum where you can argue about stuff to your heart's content
[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;41118295]Could this not be taken to the Mass Debate forum
You know, the subforum where you can argue about stuff to your heart's content[/QUOTE]
Mass debates is for [I]intellectual[/I] discussion and debate.
It has more rules and facts are kind of expected.
[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;41118295]Could this not be taken to the Mass Debate forum
You know, the subforum where you can argue about stuff to your heart's content[/QUOTE]
Ad hoc debates in Sensationalist Headlines are fine as long as they relate to the article. We went through this during the Great Gun Debate of early '13.
Jesus christ, all of this racket over a game telling you how to whack it.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41117007]I don't think sexuality is the same as wanting to be a different gender, gender identity is a more deeply ingrained mental concept, and it being disrupted seems to be a big enough change to the brain that it can be actually dealt with.[/QUOTE]
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Let me read back to you what you wrote:
"One's identity is more deeply ingrained than one's sexuality, so it should be [I]easier[/I] to change."
you can't be serious
[QUOTE=Skelmech;41118269]
and how is informing him that he is wrong, that some women also have a penis, worth laughing at? people go OH IF THEY WOULD JUST EDUCATE ME INSTEAD OF GOING STRAIGHT TO INSULTING ME MAYBE I'D LIKE TRANNIES but then you laugh and keep trhowing HAHA TUMBLR CHECK UR PRIV at them when they try to educate you.
gee its like its impossible to make anyone take you seriously or listen to you if you're trans.[/QUOTE]
It sounds like you're basing your philosophy on a selection of bad experiences you've had. The "95%" really makes it seem like it had happened a lot to you. Most people I know, when I politely explain to them about the difference between sex and gender, what you refer to someone as, etc., never yell at me for it. They usually thank me, actually. Maybe you're not being polite or calm enough, since you have a good reason to be taking it personally when someone offends you?
[QUOTE=Last or First;41118315]Jesus christ, all of this racket over a game telling you how to whack it.
[h2]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA[/h2]
you can't
[B]HAHAHAHAHA[/B]
you can't be fucking
HAHAHAHAHA
are you fucking serious
heheheh
Let me read back to you what you wrote:
"One's identity is more deeply ingrained than one's sexuality, so it should be [I]easier[/I] to change."
you can't be serious[/QUOTE]
i have an easier time developing my character than becoming gay tbh
i don't disagree with you or (god forbid) agree with lambda but that might be kind of a strange wording or something
[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;41118295]Could this not be taken to the Mass Debate forum
You know, the subforum where you can argue about stuff to your heart's content[/QUOTE]
this post comes up every time theres an extended debate. whats the problem with debating it here? it makes absolutely no difference.
-snip-
[QUOTE=Hellduck;41118349]this post comes up every time theres an extended debate. whats the problem with debating it here? it makes absolutely no difference.[/QUOTE]
It's not so much an extended debate as it is people becoming increasingly entrenched in their own views while getting increasingly antagonised by each other.
you guys take this stuff way too seriously it's funny
[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Why reply?" - Starpluck))[/highlight]
Although that is a kind of debate I guess
[editline]fuck[/editline]
muh automerge
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.