• "I think women have vaginas; I think you call a person with a vagina a woman." Penny Arcade's Gabe s
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[QUOTE=Hellduck;41118349]this post comes up every time theres an extended debate. whats the problem with debating it here? it makes absolutely no difference.[/QUOTE] Mass Debate would actually have a higher standard for our discourse, but that would also repel people, since suddenly things like facts or grammar matter.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;41118299]Mass debates is for [I]intellectual[/I] discussion and debate. It has more rules and facts are kind of expected.[/QUOTE] Epic burn on everyone else dude, you showed them
[QUOTE=Lukeo;41118372]you guys take this stuff way too seriously it's funny[/QUOTE] "You guys take important social issues that people die over way too seriously" thanks for your brilliant fucking contribution.
[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;41118369]It's not so much an extended debate as it is people becoming increasingly entrenched in their own views while getting increasingly antagonised by each other.[/QUOTE] ok?? it still makes no difference where it happens
[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;41118336]It sounds like you're basing your philosophy on a selection of bad experiences you've had. The "95%" really makes it seem like it had happened a lot to you. Most people I know, when I politely explain to them about the difference between sex and gender, what you refer to someone as, etc., never yell at me for it. They usually thank me, actually. Maybe you're not being polite or calm enough, since you have a good reason to be taking it personally when someone offends you?[/QUOTE] i don't really have any bad personal expierences with it. its more what ive seen from things like this thread. if i tried to educate you in a calm manner, all i'd have to do is say the word cis and i'd get rated 1000 dumbs and funnies and nobody would listen to a goddamn word i said because anything relating to trans people has become a fucking set of buzzwords for people to laugh at.
[QUOTE=PelPix123;41118413]I'm sure most transwomen think that Patricia Hernandez is fucking retarded. I'm sure most people think that Patricia Hernandez is fucking retarded.[/QUOTE] i see nothing wrong with her pointing out the game only applied to women with vaginas. [editline]20th June 2013[/editline] just because she is both a feminist and writes for kotaku doesn't instantly make her "fucking retarded"
[QUOTE=Skelmech;41118438]i see nothing wrong with her pointing out the game only applied to women with vaginas. [editline]20th June 2013[/editline] just because she is both a feminist and writes for kotaku doesn't instantly make her "fucking retarded"[/QUOTE] The quality of her articles makes her retarded.
[QUOTE=Xubs;41118450]You haven't seen the other stuff she does, then. I can speak for the aforementioned group, too, and I think she's an idiot. Maybe not on this, I don't know what to think about her comment, but in other areas, yeah, she's not the best.[/QUOTE] you're absolutely right, i haven't. but everytime she gets brought up on FP she's an idiot for being a feminist writer for kotaku and thats it. thats my issue. [editline]20th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=ZuXer;41118457]The quality of her articles makes her retarded.[/QUOTE] her article on this game seemed well written enough for a quaint little article about a game like that.
[URL="http://www.penny-arcade.com/2013/06/19/twiiter-sucks-sometimes"]so i just saw this since i am late to the party on this whole ordeal[/URL] i love how he both tries to play victim and tries to pretend he isn't doing something shitty because one trans person happened to say he isn't. [editline]20th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Atlascore;41118472]Getting mad at people and automatically assuming that the worst will happen solves nothing, stop dragging yourself down to their level and be the better person by discussing things calmly, if they refuse to get educated then ignore them and let them wallow in their ignorance.[/QUOTE] im not getting mad or automatically assuming, i've seen this happen repeatedly to people trying to educate people on transgenderism
[QUOTE=Skelmech;41118438]just because she is both a feminist and writes for kotaku doesn't instantly make her "fucking retarded"[/QUOTE] The problem isn't that she's a feminist. The problem is the type of article she writes. Things like the "Far Cry 3 gay joke" article don't really make her look like a great journalist.
[QUOTE=deltasquid;41115318]Do these people just have too much time on their hands or what Holy shit, the only time a person is allowed to use the word "cis" unironically is when a Roman refers to Gallia Cisalpina[/QUOTE] Cis- is used as a prefix to denote isomers in chemistry. I think, it was a while ago.
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the thing that annoys me is that parts of the transgender community are basically trying to redefine the medical definition of gender if you have male genital organs you are literally a man if you have female genitals you are literally a woman that is how we define those words I'm totally down with being able to change your body however you want but being extremely feminine and wearing women's clothes literally does not make you a woman [QUOTE=PelPix123;41118538]Several trans people say he isn't. The fact of the matter is that, biologically, men and women have a statistical trend of having differing genitalia. This is not always true,[/QUOTE] since when do 3% of women not have vaginas
[QUOTE=Skelmech;41118483][URL="http://www.penny-arcade.com/2013/06/19/twiiter-sucks-sometimes"]so i just saw this since i am late to the party on this whole ordeal[/URL] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Prime example: I don’t disagree with you that I’m male. When it comes to chromosomes and genetics, that’s just what I am. But that’s not what I identify as, and for acknowledging reality some trans people have even chewed me out. It’s ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Why can't we all just come to this conclusion? Everybody wins. She's acting reasonable and not shouting at him to check his privilege. This is how it should be.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;41118472]Getting mad at people and automatically assuming that the worst will happen solves nothing, stop dragging yourself down to their level and be the better person by discussing things calmly, if they refuse to get educated then ignore them and let them wallow in their ignorance.[/QUOTE] Maybe people should stop being rude and dismissive as fuck first. I mean every single thread like this is filled with posts like "But they will always be a male/female!" and "Hey I don't have to agree with your lifestyle choices so I can say what I want" and "I want to be Batman, call me Bruce!" Then when someone who is actually struggling with gender identity comes in to call them out it's a quickly retorted "LOL Y U SO MAD??" so I can see how the patience of some wears a little thin.
[QUOTE=innerfire34;41118528]thread music [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHH5EWJhLHE[/media][/QUOTE] this song cleared everything up for me im serious
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;41118556][B]Why can't we all just come to this conclusion? Everybody wins.[/B][/QUOTE] because it isn't simple as that
[QUOTE=Sector 7;41118545] if you have male genital organs you are literally a man if you have female genitals you are literally a woman that is how we define those words [/QUOTE] yep that is how we define sex not gender
[QUOTE=PelPix123;41118538]Several trans people say he isn't. The fact of the matter is that, biologically, men and women have a statistical trend of having differing genitalia. This is not always true, but it's a significant enough statistical trend (97% coverage) to allow for a blanket statement.[/QUOTE] That statistic doesn't mean you can say "women have vaginas" or "you call a person with a vagina a woman". If 97% coverage meant that, you could also say (unless the stats have changed recently) "There are no Jews, Muslims or Mormons in the USA".
[QUOTE=Sector 7;41118545]the thing that annoys me is that parts of the transgender community are basically trying to redefine the medical definition of gender if you have male genital organs you are literally a man if you have female genitals you are literally a woman that is how we define those words I'm totally down with being able to change your body however you want but being extremely feminine and wearing women's clothes literally does not make you a woman since when do 3% of women not have vaginas[/QUOTE] Not only are you wrong but why do you care so much? What is accomplished by telling someone struggling with serious issues "LOL YOU'LL NEVER BE A REAL WOMAN"? You're just trying to be a dick.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;41118556] She's acting reasonable and not shouting at him to check his privilege. This is how it should be.[/QUOTE] tone argument. why can't all oppressed people be nice to me?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41118183]for a guy who literally only posts about how shitty people are in threads, i don't see why this doesn't apply to you [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - MaxOfS2D))[/highlight][/QUOTE] So why is stating this get punished with a ban... [QUOTE=Ownederd;41118271]oh my god lmao. drop it[/QUOTE] But stuff like this is perfectly okay? Max, this isn't the first time you have pulled this kind of favoritism/personal ban crap. I agree with HumanAbyss because Ive seen plenty examples of Ownederds terrible posts. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Not the place to discuss bans" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Dori;41118625]tone argument. why can't all oppressed people be nice to me?[/QUOTE] I don't see why resolving a problem like that in a calm manner is a problem, IMO.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;41118703]I don't see why resolving a problem like that in a calm manner is a problem, IMO.[/QUOTE] he's not saying that's a problem, he's saying don't be surprised when it doesnt happen
[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;41118516]The problem isn't that she's a feminist. The problem is the type of article she writes. Things like the "Far Cry 3 gay joke" article don't really make her look like a great journalist.[/QUOTE] fair enough
[QUOTE=Dori;41118625]tone argument. why can't all oppressed people be nice to me?[/QUOTE] Let's say the average Joe does something that's sexist or something, and someone goes up to him calling him an asshole for what he did. The average Joe doesn't care about the tone argument, they'll just get pissed at whoever called them an asshole and blow them off. I'm not saying that this counts for someone that is already an ignorant prick and it won't matter if you act nice or not with them, but still.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;41118556]Why can't we all just come to this conclusion? Everybody wins. She's acting reasonable and not shouting at him to check his privilege. This is how it should be.[/QUOTE] because there's a difference between acknowledging what your birth gender is and letting an asshole call you it for no other reason than to antagonize you.
Even if it is a fallacy if you use whatever tone people use against them, most people won't give a fuck, I mean.
They don't have vagina's? What have I been doing with my life, NOTHING!
[QUOTE=Dori;41118625]tone argument. why can't all oppressed people be nice to me?[/QUOTE] How was she, the writer of the e-mail, being oppressed? Also, I didn't know what tone argument means so I looked it up, googling it gives me pages of this: [t]http://i.imgur.com/evKf9a9.png[/t] I'm sorry but if you keep using terms that are made up by a incredibly one sided community instead of coming up with your own arguments, you don't have much credibility. Also, it's total bollocks, if someone asks me to do something, I'll do it, but if someone slaps me and says do it then I will probably roll my eyes a bit.
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