• "I think women have vaginas; I think you call a person with a vagina a woman." Penny Arcade's Gabe s
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NEVERMIND, I'M DUMB
[QUOTE=PelPix123;41119573]Gender roles don't, but gender identity does. Gender identity is purely the physical mapping of the genitalia on the sensory homunculus and has nothing to do with social roles or personality.[/QUOTE] what does that mean and how do you explain people who are genderqueer or anti-gender
[QUOTE=hexpunK;41119229]A lot of the posters you see in these kinds of threads (I've seen Skelmech at it a lot in the past, Dori a few times now, basically the regular social justice warriors) seem to act like any time someone critiques a gay/ transgender/ feminist person/ group, etc. they are bigoted assholes who think all gay/ transgender/ feminist people/ groups should be gassed or something. Even if the critism is totally valid they tend to handwave it as "lmao white privellaged kids talking about things they can't understand". (delete as appropriate) You actually seem like a reasonable person who is willing to try and educate the people who don't get the issues, rather than deriding them or just shitposting. You're pretty much the role model these discussions need.[/QUOTE] i don't know why i fall into the "social justice warriors" when all i do is contribute to these dicussions with education. granted im not always calm, and i admit thats a fault of mine hexpunk i don't even know you that well, i'm not sure why you're making all these assumptions about me. i honestly always thought you were a pretty rad dude.
[QUOTE=PelPix123;41119573]Gender roles don't, but gender identity does. Gender identity is purely the physical mapping of the genitalia on the sensory homunculus and has nothing to do with social roles or personality.[/QUOTE] unless i'm missing something that's wrong and you're reassigning the term "gender identity" to something relatively meaningless even though its basically the same thing as a gender role [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity[/url] [quote]Gender identity is a person's private sense of, and subjective experience of, their own gender. [B]This is generally described as one's private sense of being a man or a woman, consisting primarily of the acceptance of membership into a category of people: male or female.[/B][/quote]
[QUOTE=PelPix123;41119614]No, because gender dysphorics hate their BODIES. They don't necessarily claim to have specific social or personality traits. Gender dysphoria is a problem with the sensory homunculus. It'd be better to call it genital dysphoria. Gender is the wrong word.[/QUOTE] what? gender dysphorics only "hate their bodies" because their gender identity (ie your mental representation of what gender you are, male or female or w/e) doesn't match their bodies. you're unnecessarily complicating really simple terminology for no real reason
[QUOTE=PelPix123;41119633]Sometimes the sensory homunculus doesn't even form the genitalia properly in the first place.[/QUOTE] still not making any sense sorry I'm anti-gender because I despise gender roles, idk what that has to do with my homunculus
Personally, I hate my gender and physical body
[QUOTE=PelPix123;41119655]I didn't know people defined gender identity that way. That's not how I've ever seen it used. Most transsexuals I've met (myself included) have serious problems with the way their genitals are mapped and experience phantom vagina sensations and vertigo and migraines when these sensations are interrupted by penile sensations.[/QUOTE] okay that doesn't invalidate the actual definition of gender identity though. not to mention i don't see what the point you're trying to make here is?
[QUOTE=noneshallpass;41119646]Personally, I hate my gender and physical body[/QUOTE] why can't i give you more than 1 agree
[QUOTE=PelPix123;41119655]I didn't know people defined gender identity that way. That's not how I've ever seen it used. Most transsexuals I've met (myself included) have serious problems with the way their genitals are mapped and experience phantom vagina sensations and vertigo and migraines when these sensations are interrupted by penile sensations.[/QUOTE] ah, that makes sense
My understanding of the whole thing as that the whole wanting to be identified as the opposite gender was a psychological effect that having a body that doesn't match the brain. Like, it's not that they're "physically" the wrong gender, it's just that's the sort of thing being in the wrong body does to you.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;41119693]My understanding of the whole thing as that the whole wanting to be identified as the opposite gender was a psychological effect that having a body that doesn't match the brain.[/QUOTE] I think that explanation is offense and takes away my agency of identity
[QUOTE=Mingebox;41119693]My understanding of the whole thing as that the whole wanting to be identified as the opposite gender was a psychological effect that having a body that doesn't match the brain.[/QUOTE] yeah that's pretty close imo to be more precise [QUOTE=noneshallpass;41118066]I describe it as constant background noise, you feel out of place and kinda like you're going to throw up. It gets worse the more dysphoria kicks in though.[/QUOTE] [editline]21st June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=noneshallpass;41119646]Personally, I hate my gender and physical body[/QUOTE] OMG MARPHY RATED ME, DOUSHIO~
[QUOTE=Dori;41117528]thanks for the condescension, it really makes me feel better after being treated like a subhuman you are the worst humanity has to offer[/QUOTE] lmao i can think of sooo much worse
i really cant follow the train of discussion that has occurred over these 18 pages
[QUOTE=thisispain;41119792]i really cant follow the train of discussion that has occurred over these 18 pages[/QUOTE] train crash
Fucking god shit damn. I woke up from my nap and literally walked straight to the computer because deep down I KNEW another hetefest thread had popped up. goddamn it.
[QUOTE=thisispain;41119792]i really cant follow the train of discussion that has occurred over these 18 pages[/QUOTE] its pretty much a shitflinging contest moving at the speed of sound
[QUOTE=Hellduck;41119798]train crash[/QUOTE] im kind of upset that my name wasnt mentioned i do my best to antagonize people on fp and it doesnt even work anymore
[QUOTE=thisispain;41119842]im kind of upset that my name wasnt mentioned i do my best to antagonize people on fp and it doesnt even work anymore[/QUOTE] why dont you just leave you feminazi [sp]<3[/sp]
[QUOTE=Skelmech;41119835]its pretty much a shitflinging contest moving at the speed of sound[/QUOTE] when the word political correctness is mentioned you can assume shit and other stuff that comes out of an ass will get thrown
[QUOTE=thisispain;41119842]im kind of upset that my name wasnt mentioned i do my best to antagonize people on fp and it doesnt even work anymore[/QUOTE] because dori's back. youre always on [i]my[/i] mind <3
[QUOTE=Hellduck;41119860]because dori's back. youre always on [i]my[/i] mind <3[/QUOTE] because dori's so sweet tho. i hear angels in his drunken laugh
[QUOTE=thisispain;41119842]im kind of upset that my name wasnt mentioned i do my best to antagonize people on fp and it doesnt even work anymore[/QUOTE] We are immune to you now, you're old, hack!
Okay so going by genetics isn't sufficient to refer to someone as a woman. There are all manner of physical conditions, both accidental and intentional, which could render someone with the wrong plumbing. So then you in turn determine sex by plumbing, which makes a great deal of sense on account of plumbing being one of the primary physical characteristics. But now that isn't sufficient? Did I miss something? If you wish to identify as a different gender, fine, but sex is a physical characteristic, [I]not[/I] a mental one. This isn't some transphobic bullshit or whatever, it is simple science. The reason we have two different terms, sex and gender, is [I]because[/I] we separate frame of mind from physical characteristics. Gabe's statements, while intended to provoke, are accurate. Woman can indeed describe almost anyone possessing a vagina. That is their sex. Their gender may differ. Mentally they may wish to be a taco, but that doesn't affect sex. Just like the crazy bra burning feminists hurt the feminist movement, revolting against the scientific terminology used to accurately describe human beings is only going to hurt the transgender movement.
[QUOTE=thisispain;41119880]because dori's so sweet tho. i hear angels in his drunken laugh[/QUOTE] that might just be tinnitus btw
[QUOTE=thisispain;41119857]when the word political correctness is mentioned you can assume shit and other stuff that comes out of an ass will get thrown[/QUOTE] i liked things better when you were in charge of lampooning idjits
[QUOTE=GunFox;41119903] Just like the crazy bra burning feminists hurt the feminist movement[/QUOTE] i like how you bring this up feminists never burned their bras. in fact the original bra burning feminist event actually had no burning or bra-removal at all, it was a false report by the media that started that urban myth look it doesnt matter, people who dislike feminists or transgender people will do so and the justifications dont matter you think feminism would be differently received if the bra burning myth didnt exist??? get real what a joke [editline]20th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=innerfire34;41119953]i liked things better when you were in charge of lampooning idjits[/QUOTE] you dont what you got, tillll its gone *sick guitar solo*
[QUOTE=GunFox;41119903]Just like the crazy bra burning feminists hurt the feminist movement, revolting against the scientific terminology used to accurately describe human beings is only going to hurt the transgender movement.[/QUOTE] bra burning is p much entirely a fabrication designed by anti-feminists to discredit the feminist movement and paint feminists as radicals and as bored women looking to be trendy sexual objects
[QUOTE=Soda;41115826]wow the number of facepunchers who can't differentiate between sex and gender is fucking ridiculous gender(woman/man) is a FLUID social construct which is not binary, SEX(male/female) refers to your biological disposition this is why it's offensive to say all members of a gender have a specific biological makeup(to say so is effectively saying "all humans are white," the same argument american slavers used)[/QUOTE] Most people don't even realise that gender and sex are different things so why are you so suprised that some people on the internet can't tell the difference? This whole argument started because people got angry over a very minor mistake, the game didn't advertise itself 'for women' with the intent to oppress transgendered people.
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