• "I think women have vaginas; I think you call a person with a vagina a woman." Penny Arcade's Gabe s
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wheres the fire in that picture take your two semesters of american history somewhere else and come back when youve actually read a reputable biography on the feminist movement
[QUOTE=FFStudios;41120378]all i'm saying is that you shouldn't give so much of a fuck about what other people are doing, live your own life and live it to your own morals[/QUOTE] you mean the opposite of what transphobes do?
[QUOTE=thisispain;41120384]wheres the fire in that picture[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/WbT1xvr.png[/img]
[QUOTE=icemaz;41115398]Why is cis used negatively then?[/QUOTE] because it's reactionary and a way to avoid using standard, normal, average and similar. It's kinda like gay and straight, except that homosexuality is a much larger and much more prevalent cultural phenomenon and as such standard and deviating from standard has had a different evolution compared to the much smaller transcomunity . But honestly - I'd say it's overall a relatively recently used term and I'd wager a guess that most people don't even know what CIS means - this thread illustrates it pretty well. Again it's got a lot to do with the fact the trans community is miniscule. Vocal admittedly but generally only on the internet. [QUOTE=Dori;41120386]you mean the opposite of what transphobes do?[/QUOTE] there's another thing to consider - to most people gender and sex are one and the same. Ask most people on the street what is a man and what is woman and they'll start talking about physical differences, penises, breasts, vaginas. Rarely will they bring actual gender roles into the question. As such most people are perplexed when someone tells them that not all women have vaginas. Or that not all men have penises. Most people in western nations can understand the fact that transexuals exist or that some women are very manly in how they act and some men very feminine in how they act, but at the end of the day they still consider these special snowflake cases. They aren't transphobic, they are uncaring to the issues of a very small group and consider most of the current system functional - sure they'll tell you that discrimination is wrong and they don't agree with discrimination either, but they also know certain standardisation. And that is completely different to being transphobic.
I need Feminism because I want to be put in the same box as people who have vastly different beliefs to me and then get angry when people apply a generalization to me that does not apply because of the actions and words of other people who I willingly work under the same banner with.
[QUOTE=FFStudios;41120362]i have only taken two semesters of american history but it doesn't take a genius to know that the "bra burning movement" legitimately burnt their bras. exhibit a (which was found using nothing more than google images with the search keywords "bra burning movement"): [img]http://mediamythalert.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/bra-burning_freedomtrashcan.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] imagine not knowing what fire looks like lol
[QUOTE=Skelmech;41120161]I'm sorry i've upset you. I didn't mean to. :([/QUOTE] No offense but you were being very aggressive at first.
[QUOTE=FFStudios;41120378]why does everyone have to put their dick in other people's business though? do you REALLY give that much of a fuck if someone disagrees with you? wow we should vilify millions of people based on that then. all i'm saying is that you shouldn't give so much of a fuck about what other people are doing, live your own life and live it to your own morals[/QUOTE] why does everyone have to put their dick in other people's business though? do you REALLY give that much of a fuck if someone changes their sex? wow we should vilify millions of people based on that then. all i'm saying is that you shouldn't give so much of a fuck about what other people are doing, live your own life and live it to your own morals
[QUOTE=FFStudios;41120378]why does everyone have to put their dick in other people's business though? do you REALLY give that much of a fuck if someone disagrees with you? wow we should vilify millions of people based on that then. all i'm saying is that you shouldn't give so much of a fuck about what other people are doing, live your own life and live it to your own morals[/QUOTE] if we were just all 'lol free for all' and didn't care about what happened to people, then the toxic culture of hate that is thrown at people who are trans would be more persistent
[QUOTE=Last or First;41120406]why does everyone have to put their dick in other people's business though? do you REALLY give that much of a fuck if someone changes their sex? wow we should vilify millions of people based on that then. all i'm saying is that you shouldn't give so much of a fuck about what other people are doing, live your own life and live it to your own morals[/QUOTE] you ought to write a book man
[QUOTE=PelPix123;41120390]Radical trans-feminists believe that transsexuals are superior to non-transsexuals. They're not a big problem. There's like 100 in the entire world max. They can sometimes be a problem, but they're never a huge problem in the long-run.[/QUOTE] which is why there's no reason for you or anyone else to pretend they're relevant in any discussion? there are probably an equivalent number of people on earth who think lizards are superior to asian people or some shit but we don't talk about them because they're insane and theres like 100 of them
[QUOTE=FFStudios;41120389][img]http://i.imgur.com/WbT1xvr.png[/img][/QUOTE] i dont know what that picture represents specifically but its a historical fact that they did not burn bras, they werent allowed to [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_America_protest[/url]
[QUOTE=Ownederd;41120408]if we were just all 'lol free for all' and didn't care about what happened to people, then the toxic culture of hate that is thrown at people who are trans would be more persistent[/QUOTE] So you have to fight against anyone who disagrees with you with notable aggression employing underhanded slander tactics?
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41120447]So you have to fight against anyone who disagrees with you with notable aggression employing underhanded slander tactics?[/QUOTE] are you just taking the piss out of me or what the only thing i'm getting at is that we shouldn't be apathetic towards people and use blanket terms to justify being an asshole
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41120447]So you have to fight against anyone who disagrees with you with notable aggression employing underhanded slander tactics?[/QUOTE] why do you care so much jesus christ you bitch and moan about people yelling at shitty people instead of bitching and moaning about shitty people being shitty people, maybe you should reevaluate your targets here
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41120447]So you have to fight against anyone who disagrees with you with notable aggression employing underhanded slander tactics?[/QUOTE] uhh i think a little bit of aggression is more than justified considering transphobes are p. much universally giant scumbags
[QUOTE=Cone;41120478]uhh i think a little bit of aggression is more than justified considering transphobes are p. much universally giant scumbags[/QUOTE] The issue is, that in the end the aggression is pretty widespread even against people who don't terrible care one way or another. There's seemingly a lot of, if you're not with us, you're against us going on.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;41120404]No offense but you were being very aggressive at first.[/QUOTE] where, i wasnt agressive anywhere in this thread.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;41120489]The issue is, that in the end the aggression is pretty widespread even against people who don't terrible care one way or another. There's seemingly a lot of, if you're not with us, you're against us going on.[/QUOTE] that's the thing, nobody seems to care enough to dispel these dumb allegations and insults against trans people other than people who are actually trans themselves. it's always like "oh you're too easily offended" or "take a chill pill *intentionally incorrect pronoun*". apathy is really the big issue here, it's a matter of dudes saying "oh who cares" to these very important and life-affecting things when they really shouldn't be
[QUOTE=Cone;41120478]uhh i think a little bit of aggression is more than justified considering transphobes are p. much universally giant scumbags[/QUOTE] And here we are again, just because they don't like your transexuality doesn't mean they are transphobic, it just means they judged you based on a character trait. It's arrogant and horrible for you guys to think yourself immune to judgment, you aren't, people can judge you based on your traits and not be "bigots" for it.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41120375]Why are you guys being aggressive towards GunFox, of course radical feminism will be bad for feminism, are you mad? He's worried that the same sort of radicalism could come to the trans movement and give trans people a much harder time securing social acceptance.[/QUOTE] That is just how thisispain is. Its okay though I still love him. He is a good guy. Kopimi is also simply like that, but generally makes less sense and is far less lovable.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41120569]And here we are again, just because they don't like your transexuality doesn't mean they are transphobic, it just means they judged you based on a character trait. It's arrogant and horrible for you guys to think yourself immune to judgment, you aren't, people can judge you based on your traits and not be "bigots" for it.[/QUOTE] how can you not like transsexuality and not be transphobic that's pretty much the definition of the word
[QUOTE=Cone;41120591]how can you not like transsexuality and not be transphobic that's pretty much the definition of the word[/QUOTE] No?
[QUOTE=Skelmech;41120539]where, i wasnt agressive anywhere in this thread.[/QUOTE] This wasn't aggressive? [QUOTE=Skelmech;41117524]sigh why did you post this on fp, op. it always just becomes this HAH TRANSPEOPLE NEED TO STOP GETTING BUTTHURT XD shit[/QUOTE] No one was even saying anything bad so why did you say anything? [QUOTE=Skelmech;41117600]because, you know, someone being a minority means their opinions or feelings don't count.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Skelmech;41117682]thats why i said 95% 4% do it from ignorance 1% does it for "medical reasons" but even then you can be a decent human being and call them by their preferred gender, its obvious they know what they used to be.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Skelmech;41117696]ignorance from a subject doesn't make you instantly innocent. educate yourself. its not that difficult.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Skelmech;41117799]how did i say every mistake was an attack? if you know that someone is a transperson and you intentionally call them by their sex/previous gender then you are either a. doing it to hurt them or b. doing it out ignorance of the subject get over yourself and stop trying to attack me for saying the least people could do is educate THEMSELVES about the types of people they will meet in the fucking world.[/QUOTE] I'm only scratching the surface but hopefully you get my point. That all sounds like nonsensical crap and aggressiveness to me. You even kept responding to trolls.
So disliking something = hating it? If I disliked transsexuality to the point that I judged someone's entire character based on it, then sure, I'd be transphobic. But that isn't what I'm doing, I just don't really like that one character trait.
[QUOTE=GunFox;41120576]That is just how thisispain is. Its okay though I still love him. He is a good guy. Kopimi is also simply like that, but generally makes less sense and is far less lovable.[/QUOTE] i guess we all have character flaws. i'm an unlovable, nonsensical feminist and you're a psychopath without the most basic understanding of feminist history or human morality. nobody's perfect. [editline]21st June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41120620]So disliking something = hating it? If I disliked transsexuality to the point that I judged someone's entire character based on it, then sure, I'd be transphobic. But that isn't what I'm doing, I just don't really like that one character trait.[/QUOTE] i don't hate gays i just don't like them and i don't want them to get married and they're disgusting faggots imo but overall i'm pretty neutral
I dunno where he's being an asshole there to be honest [editline]21st June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41120620]So disliking something = hating it? If I disliked transsexuality to the point that I judged someone's entire character based on it, then sure, I'd be transphobic. But that isn't what I'm doing, I just don't really like that one character trait.[/QUOTE] 'I don't hate black people, I just don't like them.'
[QUOTE=GunFox;41120576]That is just how thisispain is. Its okay though I still love him. He is a good guy. [/QUOTE] am i losing my edge wtf
[QUOTE=Kopimi;41120624]i don't hate gays i just don't like them and i don't want them to get married and they're disgusting faggots imo but overall i'm pretty neutral[/QUOTE] That isn't what I'm saying at all what the hell man. I never said I would take away their rights, they're still humans and they deserve equal treatment, but I don't have to LIKE transsexuality.
[QUOTE=Cone;41120478]uhh i think a little bit of aggression is more than justified considering transphobes are p. much universally giant scumbags[/QUOTE] Eh, that's not really fair. A lot of people mean well, but reactions like that are often environmental and they really struggle with kicking that mindset as they grow. And I think people who have your mindset of "oh, well they think that so they're idiots/scumbags/whatever" really makes it harder for them.
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