• "I think women have vaginas; I think you call a person with a vagina a woman." Penny Arcade's Gabe s
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[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41120569]And here we are again, just because they don't like your transexuality doesn't mean they are transphobic, it just means they judged you based on a character trait. It's arrogant and horrible for you guys to think yourself immune to judgment, you aren't, people can judge you based on your traits and not be "bigots" for it.[/QUOTE] But here's the thing. Let's separate a person into two boxes. What they are, and who they are. What they are is their most basic traits that they can [b]not[/b] choose. Gay, straight, black hair, blonde hair. Who they are is their character traits, unrelated to that. Drunkard, liar, charismatic, whatever. If you judge a person based on what they are, you are a dick. It's like calling an apple a bloody aborted fetus fruit because it is red. It's a trait that doesn't deserve to be judged, it is something that a person can absolutely not choose.
[QUOTE=thisispain;41120639]am i losing my edge wtf[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=thisispain;41119842]im kind of upset that my name wasnt mentioned i do my best to antagonize people on fp and it doesnt even work anymore[/QUOTE] You're going soft!
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41120569]And here we are again, just because [B]they don't like your transexuality[/B] doesn't mean they are transphobic, it just [B]means they judged you based on a character trait[/B]. It's arrogant and horrible for you guys to think yourself immune to judgment, you aren't, [B]people can judge you based on your traits and not be "bigots" for it.[/B][/QUOTE] So... are you saying you're [I]not[/I] a bigot if you judge someone badly due to them being trans? Because treating groups with different characteristics than your own with intolerance is basically the definition of a bigot. And how is it horrible to not want to be judged as a freak or bad person, or outright hated, just because of your gender identity? I don't get you. At all.
disliking someone for being transgender (single trait or not) means you are judging them because of that thing no matter how small you might think it is
[QUOTE=thisispain;41120639]am i losing my edge wtf[/QUOTE] if you want to provoke him into banning you call guns stupid
[QUOTE=Unisath;41115332]The game isn't fucking aimed at women. It's aimed at people with fucking vaginas.[/QUOTE] but people with vaginas [I]are[/I] women i don't get it, unless this is a typo or a joke i'm missing
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;41120646]Eh, that's not really fair. A lot of people mean well, but reactions like that are often environmental and they really struggle with kicking that mindset as they grow. And I think people who have your mindset of "oh, well they think that so they're idiots/scumbags/whatever" really makes it harder for them.[/QUOTE] i fail to see why they would be worth the benefit of the doubt
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;41120653] It's like calling an apple a bloody aborted fetus fruit because it is red. [/QUOTE] Great, now I'm going to be stuck thinking "aborted fetus fruit" every time I see an apple.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41120641]That isn't what I'm saying at all what the hell man. I never said I would take away their rights, they're still humans and they deserve equal treatment, but I don't have to LIKE transsexuality.[/QUOTE] nobody is asking you to do trans people favors but if you "dont like" transgendered people its kind of a negative thing?? (editD)
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;41120612]This wasn't aggressive? No one was even saying anything bad so why did you say anything? I'm only scratching the surface but hopefully you get my point. That all sounds like nonsensical crap and aggressiveness to me. You even kept responding to trolls.[/QUOTE] litereally none of that was aggressive. literally none. also did you read the first page? its fucking horrible. yes people were saying bad things
i think a little bit of agressiveness in response to that shitpile of discrimination is perfectly reasonable but still, skelmech wasn't aggressive at all, i dunno what even gives you that impression. swearing once or twice is not being 'aggressive'
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41120620]So disliking something = hating it? If I disliked transsexuality to the point that I judged someone's entire character based on it, then sure, I'd be transphobic. But that isn't what I'm doing, I just don't really like that one character trait.[/QUOTE] if you dislike an element of someone's sexuality then the degree to which you dislike it is irrelevant, you can be different degrees of transphobic but you're still transphobic either way
a lot of people are transphobic. that doesn't necessarily make them evil people, because they're products of their environment. what does make you evil is continuing to be transphobic after consistently being told how and why you're transphobic and how that hurts people
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41120705]swearing once or twice is not being 'aggressive'[/QUOTE] this is where a lot of people get it confused. i was raised around people who swear up and down all the time. its in my nature to just curse in my normal sentences i guess.
[QUOTE=Cone;41120676]i fail to see why they would be worth the benefit of the doubt[/QUOTE] Well, I guess that's because you're a bad person apparently. It's not fair to play the part of an activist for a group of people then stand by a terrible blanket statement. That just makes you a hypocrite.
Over reaction of the century. Twenty one pages later people still care for some reason. Ah you and your priorities, internet.
I'm really amazed that people are turning this into such a big deal. 700+ posts in about an hour... crazy.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;41120799]Over reaction of the century. Twenty one pages later people still care for some reason. Ah you and your priorities, internet.[/QUOTE] "yeah why do people care about serious issues that effect people deeply heh"
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41120620]So disliking something = hating it? If I disliked transsexuality to the point that I judged someone's entire character based on it, then sure, I'd be transphobic. But that isn't what I'm doing, I just don't really like that one character trait.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41120641]That isn't what I'm saying at all what the hell man. I never said I would take away their rights, they're still humans and they deserve equal treatment, but I don't have to LIKE transsexuality.[/QUOTE] Judging someone negatively for something outside of their control is most certainly bigotry don't even try to justify it. Way to dismiss transsexualism as a "character trait" by the by.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;41120783]Well, I guess that's because you're a bad person apparently. It's not fair to play the part of an activist for a group of people then stand by a terrible blanket statement. That just makes you a hypocrite.[/QUOTE] you know what? you're right. pretty much everyone i've ever seen on FP who's had a bad word for trans people has been a bad guy for the reasons Dori listed above but, you know, that's no excuse.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;41120817]"yeah why do people care about serious issues that effect people deeply heh"[/QUOTE] We're talking about the author of Penny Arcade here. How do his opinions "effect people deeply"?
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;41120845]We're talking about the author of Penny Arcade here. How do his opinions "effect people deeply"?[/QUOTE] Penny Arcade are literally the creators of PAX, a massive convention for gamers and comic enthusiasts alike. How's that?
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;41120845]We're talking about the author of Penny Arcade here. Why do his opinions "effect people deeply"?[/QUOTE] because people like you immediately say that these issues are not worth worrying about, thus making it significantly worse for any transgendered individuals who might read it. pretty much every time someone acts blatantly transphobic someone else always chimes in and says "this is a non-issue, who even gives a fuck?" and that makes the people affected feel much worse
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;41120845]We're talking about the author of Penny Arcade here. How do his opinions "effect people deeply"?[/QUOTE] p sure you just answered your own question penny arcade is massive and he alone has over 100,000 followers
[QUOTE=Skelmech;41120684]litereally none of that was aggressive. literally none.[/quote] Yeah... um... doesn't come off that way. Sorry to tell you. [QUOTE=Skelmech;41117753]i don't personally have that attitude. i'm happy to educate anyone if it means they'll actually stop being a bigoted dick.[/QUOTE] None of your posts have shown this "happy and calm" attitude. 2nd Post: "because, you know, my x opinion" sounds snobbish as fuck. 4th post: Accusing someone of purposely antagonizing transsexuals based on some bullshit statistic you made up. 5th: Adding further to the 4th's post wild accusation by saying that people mostly purposely antagonize transsexuals for the fuck of it, for ignorance, and medical reasons" yet they are still not decent human beings. 6th: gosh guys educate yourselves!!! it's not that hard! ugh! 9th: Telling people to get over themselves and stop attacking you when you're the one who started attacking people. 10th: This is just sentence structure. Really. [QUOTE=Skelmech;41117851]hating political correctness aka WHY WONT YOU LET ME BE RACIST/HOMOPHOBIC/TRANSPHOBIC WAAAAAAAAAH[/QUOTE] It's so childish. Act like an adult. 11th: Passive-aggressive. 12th: Calling someone out for being-passive aggressive even though you were JUST passive aggressive. 13th: More passive aggressiveness. How is anyone supposed to know what happened to you? You're just acting like a bitch, and adding some stupid Dota 2 sound hyperlink just makes it even more asinine. I stopped on page 15. You kept going on for another 3 or 4 pages. Now this? [QUOTE=Skelmech;41120161]I'm sorry i've upset you. I didn't mean to. :([/QUOTE] Give me a fucking break.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41120879]Penny Arcade are literally the creators of PAX, a massive convention for gamers and comic enthusiasts alike. How's that?[/QUOTE] Incredibly silly. [QUOTE=Cone;41120880]because people like you immediately say that these issues are not worth worrying about, thus making it significantly worse for any transgendered individuals who might read it. pretty much every time someone acts blatantly transphobic someone else always chimes in and says "this is a non-issue, who even gives a fuck?" and that makes the people affected feel much worse[/QUOTE] Who said anything about the issue not being worth worrying about? I'm saying the Tweets of an opinionated asshole do not matter.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;41120845]We're talking about the author of Penny Arcade here. How do his opinions "effect people deeply"?[/QUOTE] he's largely known and respected in gamer culture and his voice has weight. also PAX is a thing. besides, this isn't just about him, it's indicative of a bigger problem
okay t-sonar.0, you're honestly starting to get really off topic. give it a rest, because skelmech isn't really doing anything that is outwardly negative
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;41120893] Give me a fucking break.[/QUOTE] no one cares
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;41120893]Yeah... um... doesn't come off that way. Sorry to tell you. None of your posts have shown this "happy and calm" attitude. 2nd Post: "because, you know, my x opinion" sounds snobbish as fuck. 4th post: Accusing someone of purposely antagonizing transsexuals based on some bullshit statistic you made up. 5th: Adding further to the 4th's post wild accusation by saying that people mostly purposely antagonize transsexuals for the fuck of it, for ignorance, and medical reasons" yet they are still not decent human beings. 6th: gosh guys educate yourselves!!! it's not that hard! ugh! 9th: Telling people to get over themselves and stop attacking you when you're the one who started attacking people. 10th: This is just sentence structure. Really. It's so childish. Act like an adult. 11th: Passive-aggressive. 12th: Calling someone out for being-passive aggressive even though you were JUST passive aggressive. 13th: More passive aggressiveness. How is anyone supposed to know what happened to you? You're just acting like a bitch, and adding some stupid Dota 2 sound hyperlink just makes it even more asinine. I stopped on page 15. You kept going on for another 3 or 4 pages. Now this? Give me a fucking break.[/QUOTE] I like how because you have a personal issue with me, you're trying to paint me as agressive. I wasn't agressive, stop. I would dissect all of these but I really don't have the time nor the paitenece to deal with you trying to make me look bad because you don't like me, kate.
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