"I think women have vaginas; I think you call a person with a vagina a woman." Penny Arcade's Gabe s
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[QUOTE=Jebus;41136073]You can't really compare race with mental disorder...[/QUOTE]
you also cant call it a disorder
[QUOTE=Ownederd;41136078]if you're honestly serious, no one gives a hoot and a holler what you think. stop filling the thread with white noise[/QUOTE]
He isn't serious, just trying to rile people up.
Unless they figured out how to make people live without brains overnight and this is like a test run to see how it goes.
[QUOTE=Skelmech;41136079]It's not a disorder.[/QUOTE]
I'm all for transgender rights but you really can't say that having a male self-identity but a female body or vice versa is normal or healthy for the mental well-being of the individual.
[QUOTE=Jebus;41136073]You can't really compare race with mental disorder...[/QUOTE]
you aren't qualified to talk about issues like this if you're gonna say something as flat as this. stop
[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;41136090]He isn't serious, just trying to rile people up.
Unless they figured out how to make people live without brains overnight and this is like a test run to see how it goes.[/QUOTE]
"I don't like your opinion, shut up."
[QUOTE=Sinbues;41136103]"I don't like your opinion, shut up."[/QUOTE]
his opinion hurts people. this isn't a high school philosophy class, this is the real world
[QUOTE=Sinbues;41136103]"I don't like your opinion, shut up."[/QUOTE]
I never said shut up. If he wants to continue spouting shit everywhere then go ahead, just makes him look more stupid in the end.
[QUOTE=Skelmech;41136079]It's not a disorder.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it is, that's why you have to get treated for it and take hormones.
Man, transgender discussions on this forum always get so vicious.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;41136118]in my opinion black people should still be slaves
wow so rude i was just stating my opinion[/QUOTE]
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if you'd like to think they're blind. Trying to make satire of my post doesn't make anything different.
[QUOTE=Sinbues;41136121]Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if you'd like to think they're blind. Trying to make satire of my post doesn't make anything different.[/QUOTE]
please tell me why someone would take bigoted opinions seriously
[QUOTE=RichyZ;41136118]in my opinion black people should still be slaves
wow so rude i was just stating my opinion[/QUOTE]
You're so laid back, man.
[QUOTE=johnrocketman;41136043]Why are you comparing racial issues to tranny issues?[/QUOTE]
Because it's almost, if not as bad for trans people as it used to be for non-whites. They get talked down to, beat, abused, and even killed. The only thing that doesn't happen is large scale segregation.
[QUOTE=johnrocketman;41136043]These guys are nut jobs who can't accept who they truly are.[/QUOTE]
Even if what you said was true, how does it even effect you enough to warrant disallowing them to be who they are. Who you are has nothing to do with how your body is built, it has to do with what you think, feel, and do.
How exactly can you argue that something like this is not a mental disorder
[QUOTE=catbarf;41136093]I'm all for transgender rights but you really can't say that having a male self-identity but a female body or vice versa is normal or healthy for the mental well-being of the individual.[/QUOTE]
I'm a perfectly healthy individual mentally aside from depression and I'm transgender.
[QUOTE=Jacen;41136146]Because it's almost, if not as bad for trans people as it used to be for non-whites. They get talked down to, beat, abused, and even killed. The only thing that doesn't happen is large scale segregation.[/QUOTE]
Stupid quote of the year. Last I checked that happens to more people than just trannies.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;41136131]please tell me why someone would take bigoted opinions seriously[/QUOTE]
Why should I take you seriously because you don't try and see eye to eye with others, even if you disagree with them?
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;41115343]the fuck does "cis" even mean?[/QUOTE]
it's your birth gender, as opposed to the gender you feel yourself to be right in.
[QUOTE=Jebus;41136153]How exactly can you argue that something like this is not a mental disorder[/QUOTE]
if you want people to take your argument seriously, then start throwing down some professionally done studies about this issue in your favor
[QUOTE=Sinbues;41136188]Why should I take you seriously because you don't try and see eye to eye with others, even if you disagree with them?[/QUOTE]
because their opinions are toxic, and they need to act on them and realize that they're wrong
[QUOTE=Skelmech;41136156]I'm a perfectly healthy individual mentally aside from depression and I'm transgender.[/QUOTE]
I'm not seeing your point. Depression is a mental disorder too. That doesn't mean you're a bad person nor does it imply in any way that it's your fault or that anyone expects you to 'snap out of it'. There's just something not quite right with your mental well-being that impacts your life so we call that a disorder.
If you have an atypical condition that requires therapy, medication, and/or surgery to correct and lead a normal life I really don't see how it's inaccurate to call it a disorder.
I don't get it, some days I'll see people arguing that transgendered people have a legitimate condition the treatment of which should be covered by healthcare, and then other days people are arguing that it's not a disorder and shouldn't be considered as such. You really can't have it both ways.
I try to be PC to transgender people, but it's hard. It's [I]really[/I] hard. One of my best friends is trans and I have no idea how to refer to this person because I don't want to flat out be prof. oak to this person and ask for this person's gender. So, LGBTQIA Activists, please be patient with us cis-sexuals while we try to learn an entirely new language of PC to suit your lifestyles.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;41136199]if you want people to take your argument seriously, then start throwing down some professionally done studies about this issue in your favor
because their opinions are toxic, and they need to act on them and realize that they're wrong[/QUOTE]
What argument? It's a mental disorder by definition
because you're giving the vibe that transphobia isn't a serious issue. it is, right up there with major discriminatory issues in society
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[QUOTE=Ownederd;41136199]because their opinions are toxic, and they need to act on them and realize that they're wrong[/QUOTE]
You're just as bad, if not worse than people you claim to be are toxic, because you are not open for discussion.
[QUOTE=Sinbues;41136257]You're just as bad, if not worse than people you claim to be are toxic, [B]because you are not open for discussion[/B].[/QUOTE]
last time i checked, this thread isn't about what you think - it's about what [i]people[/i] think. i also didn't know that you had telepathy :)
[QUOTE=Ownederd;41136264]last time i checked, this thread isn't about what you think. i also didn't know that you had telepathy :)[/QUOTE]
Last time I checked, it isn't about what you thought either. :)
[QUOTE=RichyZ;41136228]if your transfriend wants to be a male, use male terms for example
its really not that hard[/QUOTE]
This transfriend is also a paranoid schizophrenic so I've afraid to call this person anything at all.
[QUOTE=catbarf;41136213]I don't get it, some days I'll see people arguing that transgendered people have a legitimate condition the treatment of which should be covered by healthcare, and then other days people are arguing that it's not a disorder and shouldn't be considered as such. You really can't have it both ways.[/QUOTE]
From my understanding of it, it's considered a disorder or something similar for health insurance reasons to force insurance companies to give it more coverage or something like that. But in the end it's not really something that could truly be considered a disorder or illness or anything like that. Unlike something like depression or even something that you can't get rid of like schizophrenia it's a little different. Depression is an actual illness almost like a cold, just mental. Schizophrenia is a disorder which is something actually wrong with the way your mind works. Transgenderism doesn't really fall under either part because it deals with physical things as well as self identity as a whole.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;41136265]'pc'[/QUOTE]
What exactly does pc mean in this context?
[QUOTE=RichyZ;41136370]personal computer
(politically correct i suppose, in the sense that you understand the situation and respect the people who are being oppressed/targeted/discussed)[/QUOTE]
Ah, alright. I don't normally see it abbreviated so I wasn't sure. Thanks.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;41136370]
(politically correct i suppose, in the sense that you understand the situation and respect the people who are being oppressed/targeted/discussed)[/QUOTE]
Theres also insane political correctness which doesn't match this definition.
[url]http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/april/spring-spheres-teacher-renames-easter-eggs/[/url]
An extreme example.
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