"I think women have vaginas; I think you call a person with a vagina a woman." Penny Arcade's Gabe s
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[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116399]Oh I'm supporting the social culture? How am I doing that when your entire ideal here is grounded in sociology or human philosophy? How the fuck is my upholdings of our understanding of human biology supporting a social culture?[/QUOTE]
how about you read up on a study about transphobia and stop coating what you're saying with excessive fluff
[QUOTE=ZuXer;41116428]Oh so my rights end where your feelings begin?[/QUOTE]
you have a right to be insensitive and I have a right to call you out for it. again, drop the persecution complex. it's not getting you anywhere
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41116405]that is the term, but you're referring them to solely being 'transgender' as if that was their only identifier[/QUOTE]
Of course it's not, I wasn't intentionally trying to imply that they can only be referred to under that identifier, so my apologies.
The idea that opinions are immune to criticism or can't be wrong just by virtue of being an opinion is simply wrong. Especially when your opinion attempts to dispute things based in settled, unavoidable facts.
Anyone else think a system with 3 variables instead of 2 would describe things better?
Something like:
At the base is sex (physiological). On top of that is the sex of the mind, and the instinctual sense of one's sex or whatever (neurophysiological/psychological). And then on top of that is the expression of that 'sex of the mind' (psychological and social)
All being influenced by the previous one, and the last also being influenced by external factors (cultural, social, ect.)
Right now gender refers to the last two which can sometimes make things confusing
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116374]Well that's not the same, whatever determines sexuality, be in chemicals, a mindset, or whatever it is (it isn't a choice ever), isn't the same as the DNA that represents you as an organism. Your instructions dictate you to be a male or female, and that is what you are.[/QUOTE]
No, every species has a specific way of sexual reproduction. Hence why males can't reproduce with males. So would you ignore someone's gender because they chose not to reproduce and be sexual in a different way. Its just science.
jonah falcon is the guy with the worlds largest dick iirc.
[QUOTE=Dori;41116445]you have a right to be insensitive and I have a right to call you out for it. again, drop the persecution complex. it's not getting you anywhere[/QUOTE]
Well then I'm using my right to tell you to get off your high horse because you're acting ignorant to people who are not part of your little circle
[QUOTE=Dori;41116400]your opinion is transphobic. whether or not you mean offense is besides the point[/QUOTE]
Oh my god, thank you. You're so right, my opinion is definitely transphobic. It isn't possibly because you're biased to hell to think anyone who disagrees with you is (insert phobia here) or a bigot. This is just what you do in arguments, you don't want to approach them so you just call the people who voice them "transphobic" or bigoted so you don't have to actually think about what is being said.
I'm saying we call people by their DNA designated sex, there is nothing else in my mind that should determine someone than their biological instructions, their body parts or not, they're biologically male. Though I'm starting to see what you mean, maybe we should ignore scientific correctness for the feelings of a population...
Hm...oh dear.
[QUOTE=H4ngman;41116071]I have no problem with transgender people, but I don't think sex change is a good way to treat gender identity problems. I know a great deal of trans people and the problem is that they are pretty eager, desperate if you will to make the physical change. But gender identity crisis is a mental issue. if the psyche has a problem, why change the entire body in this most drastic way? Well, there's a load of money in it. Sex change on my opinion should be considered a last resort treatment. Most of the oeople I know didn't even try to sort out their mental issues, they just pouted their way through therapies, blocking everything out, so they could get straight to a sex change. But gender identity crisis is a disorder. people think the sex change will magically just solve all their problems, but that is often not the case and then you're stuck in a vicious circle of losing your own gender identity completely.[/QUOTE]
wooow you sure figured out everything and arent just pulling incorrect assumptions out of your ass. way to overturn years of professional observation of many transgender individuals, well done.
its a mental thing, yes, but so far there hasnt been a way to change that. to change a persons mental gender is to literally change the way a person sees themselves. why wouldnt physical change make sense? a biological male feels that they are a woman but they themselves, along with society, sees they are clearly male; wont that cause any issues? if there was a magic drug or therapy that made trans people cis, many people would take it. i know i would. it takes YEARS to figure out that 1) a person is transgender and 2) that going the tough road of transition is the right thing for them to do. please dont make baseless assumptions about the intentions of trans people. its clear you have no idea what youre talking about. i can tell because you assume that being trans starts out with a "sex change" (its not called that anymore among surgeons who perform it, because its wrong. but then again thats not the first wrong thing youve said in your post), when it doesnt. for most people it starts with years of fear, social anxiety, depression, dysphoria (feeling like something doesnt match up with your body), and suicidalism. then it moves on to months or even YEARS of therapy, of which is often required to get hormones the correct way. hormones, i might add, can take anywhere from 2-5 years to take full effect, so its not a quick process. trans people have plenty of time in our lives to figure out our gender identity, and plenty of time DURING transition to figure out if its the right thing to do. its not just a medical transition, its a social transition. theres plenty of time to make sure that yes, being female is the right thing for me, i understand all the risks and assumptions that that brings on to me.
and by the way, only 2% of people who get bottom surgery feel any regret. and most of that is because of a botched surgery. so try reading and actually learning before you start spewing mouth diarrhea, okay?
okay.
what an asshole
You know, the funny thing about these femminazis/privilege activists (or whatever you want to call them) is that they always say "But we're just creating dialogue! It's only positive!", but at the same time brand anyone disagreeing with their opinion a "bigot" and invent every possible kind of "privilege" to discredit any non-agreeing view point.
"#killallmen? It's just creating a dialogue on an issue!"
"He looked at a woman? DISGUSTING CIS WHITE MALE PRIVILEGE BIGOT, PEOPLE LIKE THIS HAVE NO RIGHT TO HAVE A VOICE"
well yeah duh, women tend to have vaginas.
This thread is basically that old GD Transgender thread attacking anyone who differs from their view point.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;41116458]No, every species has a specific way of sexual reproduction. Hence why males can't reproduce with males. So would you ignore someone's gender because they chose not to reproduce and be sexual in a different way. Its just science.[/QUOTE]
What? Sexuality has little to do with reproduction, sexuality is what sex you're attracted to, male or female, obviously. That isn't determined by any organs, it's determined by chemicals, mindset, whatever, and that's a different argument that I don't want to worry about. Sexuality isn't what your DNA has dictated you to be (maybe...[hm])
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"#killallmen? It's just creating a dialogue on an issue!"
"He looked at a woman? DISGUSTING CIS WHITE MALE PRIVILEGE BIGOT, PEOPLE LIKE THIS HAVE NO RIGHT TO HAVE A VOICE"[/QUOTE]
said no one ever
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116422]But chromosomes are all that we should consider, I wish we could just go "male with female parts", male based on chromosomes, and female parts are what he has or whatever. But why not eh?[/QUOTE]
Because while a single chromosome (and better yet a single gene [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRY[/url]) is at the apex of genotypic sex, phenotype depends on a multitude of genes, pathways and other factors. If nothing else, if presence, absence or modification/mutation of a single other gene (and therefore a single receptor or enzyme) causes a complete change in phenotype, simply classifying what you call biological sex according to one gene and not others is not accurate.
[QUOTE=acds;41116482]You know, the funny thing about these femminazis/privilege activists (or whatever you want to call them) is that they always say "But we're just creating dialogue! It's only positive!", but at the same time brand anyone disagreeing with their opinion a "bigot" and invent every possible kind of "privilege" to discredit any non-agreeing view point.
"#killallmen? It's just creating a dialogue on an issue!"
"He looked at a woman? DISGUSTING CIS WHITE MALE PRIVILEGE BIGOT, PEOPLE LIKE THIS HAVE NO RIGHT TO HAVE A VOICE"[/QUOTE]
why are you putting violent (non)feminists together with LGBT activists?
i love gabe and penny arcade in general
[QUOTE=Depardieu;41116492]This thread is basically that old GD Transgender thread attacking anyone who differs from their view point.[/QUOTE]
This mentality applies to any modern movement.
[QUOTE=Dori;41116445]you have a right to be insensitive and I have a right to call you out for it. again, drop the persecution complex. it's not getting you anywhere[/QUOTE]
Well the problem is that you're acting like an immature asshole for not accepting people's beliefs. Of course you can call us out on it, but you aren't following typical etiquette for arguments, you're attempting to discredit, name call us, and accuse us of being bigots. That's underhanded, and it's rude. Victim blaming us for being annoyed with you by saying we have a persecution complex? The fuck man.
I'm shocked and disappointed that Gabe could be so ignorant and insensitive towards the futa community.
i'm sorry but intruding in to a chat thread for support related to being transgender to say you disagree is awful
@ discussion about the GD transgender thread
[QUOTE=Mingebox;41116519]I'm shocked and disappointed that Gabe could be so ignorant and insensitive towards the futa community.[/QUOTE]
Or Lady Gaga
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116516]Well the problem is that you're acting like an immature asshole for not accepting people's beliefs.[/QUOTE]
sorry, I'm not taken to accepting beliefs which harm me and people I care about
so, people are going to get pissed at this, but i'm genuinely asking someone to explain to me how these body image issues are different from ones people who aren't trans have?
[QUOTE=Xubs;41116502]science shouldn't be used to dictate social standards[/QUOTE]
Maybe. Maybe. But then social standards can defy objectivity and knowledge? That's weird man.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116516]Well the problem is that you're acting like an immature asshole for not accepting people's beliefs. Of course you can call us out on it, but you aren't following typical etiquette for arguments, you're attempting to discredit, name call us, and accuse us of being bigots. That's underhanded, and it's rude. Victim blaming us for being annoyed with you by saying we have a persecution complex? The fuck man.[/QUOTE]
"Woah woah woah! What's with all the hostility here? All I said was that blacks are scum; why are you hating on me?"
[QUOTE=acds;41116482]You know, the funny thing about these femminazis/privilege activists (or whatever you want to call them) is that they always say "But we're just creating dialogue! It's only positive!", but at the same time brand anyone disagreeing with their opinion a "bigot" and invent every possible kind of "privilege" to discredit any non-agreeing view point.
"#killallmen? It's just creating a dialogue on an issue!"
"He looked at a woman? DISGUSTING CIS WHITE MALE PRIVILEGE BIGOT, PEOPLE LIKE THIS HAVE NO RIGHT TO HAVE A VOICE"[/QUOTE]
haha so wacky lol :)
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;41116487]well yeah duh, women tend to have vaginas.[/QUOTE]
nothing you say has any weight here because you're literally bigoted. i've seen you harass the trans community on FP
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;41116381]Then what's the "proper" term?[/QUOTE]
Transgender is. I understand that using "he" for someone who is MtF can bother him, that I understand, but now "transgender" is offensive? No, fuck off, transgender is simply someone who changed gender and it's no more offensive than heterosexual/homosexual/whatever, it's not in any way offensive and you can't just brand whatever you feel like as "hate speech" and get a stick up your ass about it because you've run out of other stuff to complain about.
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