"I think women have vaginas; I think you call a person with a vagina a woman." Penny Arcade's Gabe s
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Penny Arcade's long slide into irrelevance is always interesting to watch.
[QUOTE=Dori;41116535]sorry, I'm not taken to accepting beliefs which harm me and people I care about[/QUOTE]
So you're attempting to play the victim? You think that because we personally don't accept your choices or lifestyle or whatever that you think we're attempting to fight YOU? Come on man.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;41116487]well yeah duh, women tend to have vaginas.[/QUOTE]
Why are you even here?
You got perma'd for trying to ruin someone's life just because they were transgender.
Go away.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;41116539]"Woah woah woah! What's with all the hostility here? All I said was that blacks are scum; why are you hating on me?"[/QUOTE]
Discredit me please, it hurts so good!
[QUOTE=Dori;41116535]sorry, I'm not taken to accepting beliefs which harm me and people I care about[/QUOTE]
Same can be said for us. The difference is that you're calling is intolerant, you say that we are suffering from complexes, you refuse to refute any point and you just call us dicks.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116516]Well the problem is that you're acting like an immature asshole for not accepting people's beliefs. Of course you can call us out on it, but you aren't following typical etiquette for arguments, you're attempting to discredit, name call us, and accuse us of being bigots. That's underhanded, and it's rude. Victim blaming us for being annoyed with you by saying we have a persecution complex? The fuck man.[/QUOTE]
your beliefs consist entirely of "i'm going to make transgendered people feel like shit because my favourite passtime is [I]being difficult[/I]"
[QUOTE=Xubs;41116502]science shouldn't be used to dictate social standards[/QUOTE]
sociology is a science. any system of knowledge based off evidence and not blind faith is science
[QUOTE=ZuXer;41116512]This mentality applies to any modern movement.[/QUOTE]
Movements tend to work better when the word "attacking" is used as in breaking down and responding to another's opinion or argument, not just slapping it down and calling the other "transphobic" or a "bigot". Unfortunately the latter is what's predominately occurring in this thread, not the former.
[QUOTE=ZuXer;41116565]Same can be said for us. The difference is that you're calling is intolerant, you say that [B]we are suffering from complexes[/B], you refuse to refute any point and you just call us dicks.[/QUOTE]
except that's all you're really doing and you're just making an argument on how about "we should respect everyone's opinion eh"
is gabe the small bald one
[QUOTE=innerfire34;41116537]so, people are going to get pissed at this, but i'm genuinely asking someone to explain to me how these body image issues are different from ones people who aren't trans have?[/QUOTE]
you won't ever fully understand the problems that arise from being transgender without experiencing it first hand
I remember reading in various places that up to 45% of transgender individuals have actually attempted suicide or at least contemplated it
if that doesn't say anything about the problems that may arise then idk
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;41116557]Why are you even here?
You got perma'd for trying to ruin someone's life just because they were transgender.
Go away.[/QUOTE]
Wait, what?
Woooow, that's low.
[QUOTE=Fetret;41116495]Because while a single chromosome (and better yet a single gene [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRY[/URL]) is at the apex of genotypic sex, phenotype depends on a multitude of genes, pathways and other factors. If nothing else, if presence, absence or modification/mutation of a single other gene (and therefore a single receptor or enzyme) causes a complete change in phenotype, simply classifying what you call biological sex according to one gene and not others is not accurate.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps phenotypes should be used for social settings, but genotypes can be scientific, what uses the scientific community may have for that separation I'll never know.
Sure, maybe society isn't defying science and objectivity, it should just interpret factual evidence in different ways.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116555]So you're attempting to play the victim? You think that because we personally don't accept your choices or lifestyle or whatever that you think we're attempting to fight YOU? Come on man.[/QUOTE]
is this a joke
I'm queer. of course I'm the fucking victim. your beliefs hurt me and people like me every day. you don't have to go through every day lying to your family and friends about what you are and pretending to laugh at their homophobic and transphobic jokes out of fear
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41116500]why are you putting violent (non)feminists together with LGBT activists?[/QUOTE]
As I said, femmi[B]nazis[/B]. I have absolutely nothing against femminists, I do have something about these whiny internet special snowflakes that spend their whole day on Twitter and Tumblr in search of something to cause drama about (case point: woman being beaten at a game at E3 is suddenly a rape joke so horrible).
[QUOTE=acds;41116543]Transgender is. I understand that using "he" for someone who is MtF can bother him, that I understand, but now "transgender" is offensive? No, fuck off, transgender is simply someone who changed gender and it's no more offensive than heterosexual/homosexual/whatever, it's not in any way offensive and you can't just brand whatever you feel like as "hate speech" and get a stick up your ass about it because you've run out of other stuff to complain about.[/QUOTE]
calm the fuck down
it's offensive for the same reason that calling someone "a black" or "a gay" is - it ignores the whole fact that primarily they're just people
This whole situation is dumb as fuck and got blown out of proportion by both sides.
They need to stop wasting their lives over the internet arguing over pointless semantics and go outside and do something productive.
Shit.
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41116610]calm the fuck down
it's offensive for the same reason that calling someone "a black" or "a gay" is - it ignores the whole fact that primarily they're just people[/QUOTE]
Then what the hell do you call them when referring to their ethnicity/sexuality specifically?
Cisgender is one of the most silly things I've ever heard.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;41116590]Wait, what?
Woooow, that's low.[/QUOTE]
Yup, purposely went to some girl's Facebook and started showing photos of her in a dress to all her real life friends. And she's an American. fatfatfatty lives in fucking Sweden. He went out of his way just to ruin some girl's life on the other side of the world. He's just butthurt because he doesn't know how to deal with having a transgender sibling.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;41116590]Wait, what?
Woooow, that's low.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure it is low, but that's kind of stupid of you to just accept that as truth without even knowing what he's talking about.
[QUOTE=Dori;41116605]is this a joke
I'm queer. of course I'm the fucking victim. your beliefs hurt me and people like me every day. you don't have to go through every day lying to your family and friends about what you are and pretending to laugh at their homophobic and transphobic jokes out of fear[/QUOTE]
But I don't want to hurt you, I never meant to hurt you, and my beliefs don't change what I think of you. I'm not attempting to be homophobic, or transphobic. I maybe understand that you just want to destroy the "eh idk about gays/transgenders" completely and at every level, but dude it just isn't that fair, we have our beliefs that don't mean to hurt you, or anyone for that matter, but you treat us like bigoted idiots. We don't mean to hurt you, I'm sorry that others do, but we don't, and we don't deserve to be hated for still accepting you with some objections to your life.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;41116624]Then what the hell do you call them when referring to their ethnicity/sexuality specifically?[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't refer to a dude as a cisgender. I'd refer to them as a dude.
Simple.
Guys, not totally relevant but,
[QUOTE=RobbL;41116451]Anyone else think a system with 3 variables instead of 2 would describe things better?
Something like:
At the base is sex (physiological). On top of that is the sex of the mind, the instinctual sense of one's sex or whatever (psychological). And then on top of that is the expression of that 'sex of the mind' (psychological and social)
All being influenced by the previous one, and the last also being influenced by external factors (cultural, social, ect.)
Right now gender refers to the last two which can sometimes make things confusing[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=acds;41116609]As I said, femmi[B]nazis[/B]. I have absolutely nothing against femminists, I do have something about these whiny internet special snowflakes that spend their whole day on Twitter and Tumblr in search of something to cause drama about (case point: woman being beaten at a game at E3 is suddenly a rape joke so horrible).[/QUOTE]
what are you even getting worked up about
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41116610]calm the fuck down
it's offensive for the same reason that calling someone "a black" or "a gay" is - it ignores the whole fact that primarily they're just people[/QUOTE]
Then does that make LGBT offensive? [IMG]http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/confused.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;41116633]I'm sure it is low, but that's kind of stupid of you to just accept that as truth without even knowing what he's talking about.[/QUOTE]
My opinion of fatfatfatty isn't too great anyway, especially after that time he tried to install Ubuntu.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;41116624]Then what the hell do you call them when referring to their ethnicity/sexuality specifically?[/QUOTE]
"a black person"
"a gay person"
"a transgendered person"/"a transperson" (ok the latter strikes me as odd but w/e)
[QUOTE=RobbL;41116644]Guys, not totally relevant but,[/QUOTE]
You got me behind you 100%
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116638]But I don't want to hurt you, I never meant to hurt you, and my beliefs don't change what I think of you. I'm not attempting to be homophobic, or transphobic. I maybe understand that you just want to destroy the "eh idk about gays/transgenders" completely and at every level, but dude it just isn't that fair, we have our beliefs that don't mean to hurt you, or anyone for that matter, but you treat us like bigoted idiots. We don't mean to hurt you, I'm sorry that others do, but we don't, and we don't deserve to be hated for still accepting you with some objections to your life.[/QUOTE]
what you don't get is that your intentions don't matter. whether or not you mean to hurt somebody doesn't change the fact that you hurt them, and going on to use "I didn't mean to" as an apology is really shitty
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