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[QUOTE=Flapadar;41116641]I wouldn't refer to a dude as a cisgender. I'd refer to them as a dude.
Simple.[/QUOTE]
But we're (or at least, I am) not talking about the term 'cisgender', we're talking 'transgender'.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116638]But I don't want to hurt you, I never meant to hurt you, and my beliefs don't change what I think of you. I'm not attempting to be homophobic, or transphobic. I maybe understand that you just want to destroy the "eh idk about gays/transgenders" completely and at every level, but dude it just isn't that fair, we have our beliefs that don't mean to hurt you, or anyone for that matter, but you treat us like bigoted idiots. We don't mean to hurt you, I'm sorry that others do, but we don't, and we don't deserve to be hated for still accepting you with some objections to your life.[/QUOTE]
Disagreeing with the lifestyle of someone that does not even come close to affecting you, is just perpetuating the violence against that item
if you don't mean to cause any harm, then just be quiet.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;41116580]except that's all you're really doing and you're just making an argument on how about "we should respect everyone's opinion eh"[/QUOTE]
You should. This is a forum. Different people have different views, and they might disagree with you.The problem starts when you start to act on it with actions, not words.
[QUOTE=Xubs;41116581]because disagreeing is attacking, showing up in a thread [B][I]designated[/I] [/B]for a group of people just to disagree with their view points is being respectful, and the few who do legitimately attack you are representatives of the whole
you all are legitimately disgusting people, and I am attacking you, yes, because you deserve it[/QUOTE]
See, this is where you're wrong, this thread isn't designated for you, this is the News section on facepunch, people here post articles and we talk about them. I'd agree with you if I started posting in a LGBT or Trans thread.
Also, nice name calling, if I, or anyone else who disagrees with you started name calling we'd be intolerant close minded bigots.
If you're going to preach love and tolerance, why are you inventing new slurs against a specific group of people who you feel are a threat to your's?
Arguments and fights like these are just going to over-complicate an already big topic.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;41116625]Cisgender is one of the most silly things I've ever heard.[/QUOTE]
it's not silly at all. it's the opposite of transgender. it's necessary when discussing gender politics
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41116586]you won't ever fully understand the problems that arise from being transgender without experiencing it first hand
I remember reading in various places that up to 45% of transgender individuals have actually attempted suicide or at least contemplated it
if that doesn't say anything about the problems that may arise then idk[/QUOTE]
the number is similar for people who have anorexia or bulimia, and i don't know what they think either
you didn't really explain anything
[QUOTE=Dori;41116680]it's not silly at all. it's the opposite of transgender. it's necessary when discussing gender politics[/QUOTE]
Isn't it safe to assume the majority of people will not be transgender? You don't need two words for it if one will suffice.
Incase you understand binary better it's like using two bits instead of one for this. One's enough.
Transgender people are transgender, other people are not. Simple. No need for this cis crap.
[QUOTE=ZuXer;41116667]You should. This is a forum. Different people have different views, and they might disagree with you.The problem starts when you start to act on it with actions, not words.
See, this is where you're wrong, this thread isn't designated for you, this is the News section on facepunch, people here post articles and we talk about them. I'd agree with you if I started posting in a LGBT or Trans thread.
Also, nice name calling, if I, or anyone else who disagrees with you started name calling we'd be intolerant close minded bigots.[/QUOTE]
in the end, words are a hefty action
just saying that you think the transgender population is wrong is contributing to the suicide rate alone
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41116666]Disagreeing with the lifestyle of someone that does not even come close to affecting you, is just perpetuating the violence against that item
if you don't mean to cause any harm, then just be quiet.[/QUOTE]
But I'm not actively disagreeing, I'm just sharing my opinion on the matter on an internet forum
[QUOTE=Flapadar;41116692]Isn't it safe to assume the majority of people will not be transgender? You don't need two words for it if one will suffice.
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in the context of gender politics, yes you do
[QUOTE=Flapadar;41116692]Isn't it safe to assume the majority of people will not be transgender? You don't need two words for it if one will suffice.
Incase you understand binary better it's like using two bits instead of one for this. One's enough.
Transgender people are transgender, other people are not. Simple. No need for this cis crap.[/QUOTE]
Let's refer to sexual orientations as 'normal' and 'homosexual' then. Good logic there.
[QUOTE=Dori;41116707]in the context of gender politics, yes you do[/QUOTE]
Why?
People will either be transgender, or not transgender. So transgender is enough to identify the difference, you don't need to invent cisgender.
[QUOTE=Xubs;41116690]
cis isn't/wasn't a slur until tumblr made it one[/QUOTE]
cis was used as an insult since it was widely adapted in the days of usenet. stop perpetuating this idea that tumblr started everything
[QUOTE=Flapadar;41116692]Isn't it safe to assume the majority of people will not be transgender? You don't need two words for it if one will suffice.
Incase you understand binary better it's like using two bits instead of one for this. One's enough.
Transgender people are transgender, other people are not. Simple. No need for this cis crap.[/QUOTE]
this is like describing pepsi as "not-coke" or cars as "not-horses" or mustard as "not-ketchup"
[QUOTE=ZuXer;41116667]You should. This is a forum. Different people have different views, and they might disagree with you.The problem starts when you start to act on it with actions, not words[/QUOTE]
there is nothing set in stone that says i need to respect someones opinion on a public forum. if someone says something stupid, there is nothing restricting me on questioning them for it.
i just don't understand the massive amount of sympathy for what literally comes down to body image issues when we write off anyone who isn't suffering from this particular kind as being too serious over a shallow aspect of life
[QUOTE=Flapadar;41116722]Why?
People will either be transgender, or not transgender. So transgender is enough to identify the difference, you don't need to invent cisgender.[/QUOTE]
cisgender is just as much "invented" as transgender. you're inventing problems to rationalize your biggotry
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41116731]this is like describing pepsi as "not-coke" or cars as "not-horses" or mustard as "not-ketchup"[/QUOTE]
because there's only two types of drink, transport and sauce right?
You can't change the context of what I said and expect it to make sense.
[QUOTE=Dori;41116744]cisgender is just as much "invented" as transgender. you're inventing problems to rationalize your biggotry[/QUOTE]
I'm a bigot for accepting some people are transgender and other people are not?
Great I guess you're bigoted because you assume everyone else is without actually looking at the facts. I think using the prefix cis is unnecessary, I never said anything about transgenders (other than it being a statistical fact that there are more non-trans people than there are trans)
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41116731]this is like describing pepsi as "not-coke" or cars as "not-horses" or mustard as "not-ketchup"[/QUOTE]
I love having some not-ketchup with my fries!
[QUOTE=innerfire34;41116739]i just don't understand the massive amount of sympathy for what literally comes down to body image issues when we write off anyone who isn't suffering from this particular kind as being too serious over a shallow aspect of life[/QUOTE]
because it's fucking terrible enough that many of these people are driven to suicide?
[QUOTE=Xubs;41116690]
cis isn't/wasn't a slur until tumblr made it one[/QUOTE]
Although alot of slurs are twisted from already existing words, it still applies in this case.
But still, it's a pointless endeavor if you're just going to invalidate your cause by doing the same things the people you're fighting against did. And in this case, it's definitely not going to help in the slightest.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;41116733]there is nothing defined in stone that says i need to respect someones opinion on a public forum. if someone says something stupid, there is nothing restricting me on questioning them for it.[/QUOTE]
But we're questioning why you are so aggressive to people who harbor barely negative opinions on you, we don't hate you, we don't harm you, we do nothing but silently disagree, and you for some reason feel the need to scream and discredit us when we share our very personal beliefs instead of coming to a middle ground and accepting that not everyone has to agree with your life.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116761]But we're questioning why you are so aggressive to people who harbor barely negative opinions on you, we don't hate you, we don't harm you, we do nothing but silently disagree, and you for some reason feel the need to scream and discredit us when we share our very personal beliefs instead of coming to a middle ground and accepting that not everyone has to agree with your life.[/QUOTE]
your opinions [I]do[/I] hurt people
[QUOTE=innerfire34;41116739]i just don't understand the massive amount of sympathy for what literally comes down to body image issues when we write off anyone who isn't suffering from this particular kind as being too serious over a shallow aspect of life[/QUOTE]
except at the moment it's far from a shallow pond, for some it's more of a lake. being discriminated against for being transgendered is pretty serious
stop talking about things you don't have any information on
[QUOTE=innerfire34;41116739]i just don't understand the massive amount of sympathy for what literally comes down to body image issues when we write off anyone who isn't suffering from this particular kind as being too serious over a shallow aspect of life[/QUOTE]
All it is is a mental illness that people want to have accepted because it deals with sexuality and gender.
[QUOTE=innerfire34;41116739]i just don't understand the massive amount of sympathy for what literally comes down to body image issues when we write off anyone who isn't suffering from this particular kind as being too serious over a shallow aspect of life[/QUOTE]
rated dumb already you probably think i'm attacking these people. no, i just really don't understand how a woman who spends her life wishing she was born prettier and becoming suicidal every time somebody mentions her makeup is less serious than a woman wishing she was born with a dick and becoming suicidal every time somebody compliments her muscles
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116761]But we're questioning why you are so aggressive to people who harbor barely negative opinions on you, we don't hate you, we don't harm you, we do nothing but silently disagree, and you for some reason feel the need to scream and discredit us when we share our very personal beliefs instead of coming to a middle ground and accepting that not everyone has to agree with your life.[/QUOTE]
Gee I wonder why some people take things personally, it's like they've had experience of the issue first hand.
Well, I'm stumped; off to hit my head with a hammer for another hour!
[QUOTE=Flapadar;41116748]
I'm a bigot for accepting some people are transgender and other people are not?
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no, you're a bigot because you really, really want to hold on to the idea that people fit into the categories of "trans" and "normal," even when it makes no sense in the context of gender politics
[QUOTE=JJ Isaac;41116620]This whole situation is dumb as fuck and got blown out of proportion by both sides.
They need to stop wasting their lives over the internet arguing over pointless semantics and go outside and do something productive.
Shit.[/QUOTE]Says the guy on an internet forum, attempting to look superior by sodomizing himself with the fence he's sitting on.
Not everything a person does has to be productive.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116780]All it is is a mental illness that people want to have accepted because it deals with sexuality and gender.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41116638]But I don't want to hurt you,[/QUOTE]
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