Russian security forces arrest 34 during Moscow gay pride protest - Polidicks

Why the dumb ratings on me and Analrapists posts? Do you guys think parading around naked and making out in public promotes a mature awareness of your cause?

I'm pretty sure that where ever anyone goes in America there will be at least one straight couple making out.

[QUOTE=analrapist;30163577] You don't normally see straight people acting like that in parades, and when you do they usually get arrested for public indecency.[/QUOTE] ok. please post a single instance of a straight person being arrested for public indecency at a straight pride parade because gay people certainly don't get away with public nudity outside of pride parades, so a straight person getting arrested for being naked at a blatant straight pride parade is the only instance in which there is an equivalence prove that that has happened anywhere, ever also i don't think it's fair to characterize gay pride parades as "just a bunch of gays running around naked" because of course you're going to find pictures of that if that's the thing you're specifically searching for

[QUOTE=Kopimi;30171781]Why the dumb ratings on me and Analrapists posts? Do you guys think parading around naked and making out in public promotes a mature awareness of your cause?[/QUOTE] Well you see. It gives people a message. Lock up your children because were coming for them next. That and awareness, awareness.

going to be honest i just see a bunch of balloons and dudes kissing

[QUOTE=Nikota;30171793]I'm pretty sure that where ever anyone goes in America there will be at least one straight couple making out.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't compare occasionally seeing 2 teenagers making out in public to a bunch of people in assless chaps painting themselves like a rainbow and smacking eachother's asses while making out.

Is a straight pride rally considered a tea party rally? A bunch of unattractive white americans drunkenly marching with guns. [editline]1st June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Kopimi;30171834]I wouldn't compare occasionally seeing 2 teenagers making out in public to a bunch of people in assless chaps painting themselves like a rainbow and smacking eachother's asses while making out.[/QUOTE] You would be surprised what happens in outdoor areas.

[QUOTE=Nikota;30171852] You would be surprised what happens in outdoor areas.[/QUOTE] i dont even wanna know what kind of reality you live in

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;30171796]ok. please post a single instance of a straight person being arrested for public indecency at a straight pride parade because gay people certainly don't get away with public nudity outside of pride parades, so a straight person getting arrested for being naked at a blatant straight pride parade is the only instance in which there is an equivalence prove that that has happened anywhere, ever also i don't think it's fair to characterize gay pride parades as "just a bunch of gays running around naked" because of course you're going to find pictures of that if that's the thing you're specifically searching for[/QUOTE] I'm not saying gay pride parades are "just a bunch of gays running around naked", but there are a ton of people who just act ridiculous at these parades, and detriment the entire cause of the parade. Aw look, Sanius can't come up with a valid reason for disagreeing so he rated dumb again.

[QUOTE=Sanius;30149233]nice to know bro also the word nigger isn't offensive to my black friends so I really don't understand why people get buttdestroyed when I call them niggers[/QUOTE] Lol, what happened with your all-out anti-discrimination

[QUOTE=Kopimi;30171834]I wouldn't compare occasionally seeing 2 teenagers making out in public to a bunch of people in assless chaps painting themselves like a rainbow and smacking eachother's asses while making out.[/QUOTE] straight people do that at mardi gras around the country [QUOTE=Kopimi;30171899]I'm not saying gay pride parades are "just a bunch of gays running around naked", but there are a ton of people who just act ridiculous at these parades, and detriment the entire cause of the parade.[/QUOTE] but that's not their fault. it's the fault of people who get pissed off at seeing gosh a shirtless man

[QUOTE=HighdefGE;30171963]Lol, what happened with your all-out anti-discrimination[/QUOTE] do you have any grasp on sarcasm?

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;30172036]straight people do that at mardi gras around the country but that's not their fault. it's the fault of people who get pissed off at seeing gosh a shirtless man[/QUOTE] And? I don't find that appropriate either. Just because straight people do it doesn't mean it's any better to do, especially in the context of a gay pride parade, where you're trying to raise awareness of a serious issue. If you want to be taken seriously and raise awareness of an issue like gay rights, making a fool of yourself in public isn't the right way to go about doing it. That being said, there are still plenty of regular people at the rallies, but there are still plenty of the over-the-top protesters that make the parade less credible and valid. [editline]1st June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;30172036]straight people do that at mardi gras around the country but that's not their fault. it's the fault of people who get pissed off at seeing gosh a shirtless man[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about "shirtless" men, I'm talking about people who parade around naked and act like idiots. And saying that its not their fault makes no sense. It's up to you to present your public image. If you want to be seen by others as outlandish and crazy, act outlandish and crazy, but don't play victim when people don't take you seriously

[QUOTE=Kopimi;30172090] Just because straight people do it doesn't mean it's any better to do, especially in the context of a gay pride parade, where you're trying to raise awareness of a serious issue. If you want to be taken seriously and raise awareness of an issue like gay rights, making a fool of yourself in public isn't the right way to go about doing it.[/QUOTE] "making a fool of themselves" is just the way you see it, though [QUOTE=Kopimi;30172090] That being said, there are still plenty of regular people at the rallies, but there are still plenty of the over-the-top protesters that make the parade less credible and valid.[/QUOTE] is it their fault that their action makes the parade less credible? should anyone really care about the opinion of someone who actually bases their opinion on a human rights issue on what a small group of people do at a rally? i mean if someone actually looks at a bunch of shirtless, dancing men and says "disgusting, they should have fewer rights than me", I don't think anyone should care what that person thinks

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;30172186]"making a fool of themselves" is just the way you see it, though is it their fault that their action makes the parade less credible? should anyone really care about the opinion of someone who actually bases their opinion on a human rights issue on what a small group of people do at a rally?[/QUOTE] I'm sure there are people who don't see it the same way I do, but I'm not the only one who thinks it seems stupid. That was my point in the first place, that doing this isn't going to make people think more maturely about homosexuality and gay rights. More power to them if they want to do that, I've got no problem with it, but I highly doubt anyone seeing behavior like that would be inclined to take the group more seriously. And maybe you don't value that person's opinion, that's fine, but whether or not you care about what they think of you, they still think it of you. When I made my original post regarding public indecency at gay pride parades, it was in reply to someone who was saying that the parades make people think more maturely about homosexuality, which I [b]partially[/b] disagree with. Personally, I understand that the majority of the people in these parades are serious about it, and are normal people, but I think the people who march around nude are a blemish on an otherwise great way of bringing the issue to attention.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;30172268]And maybe you don't value that person's opinion, that's fine, but whether or not you care about what they think of you, they still think it of you.[/QUOTE] ...which shouldn't mean anything to anyone who has established that they don't care soo this part of your argument doesn't really say anything [QUOTE=Kopimi;30172268] but I highly doubt anyone seeing behavior like that would be inclined to take the group more seriously.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Kopimi;30172268]but I think the people who march around nude are a blemish on an otherwise great way of bringing the issue to attention.[/QUOTE] the only people who would actually vote against gay rights in response to seeing a gay pride parade are people who had already made up their minds and weren't going to be swayed anyway. [editline]31st May 2011[/editline] people don't become homophobes by seeing a gay pride parade, they're already homophobes and they use pride parades as a "justification" for their hate. if the parades were any more clothed the homophobes would just find some other elements of the parade to complain about

[QUOTE=Kopimi;30171899]I'm not saying gay pride parades are "just a bunch of gays running around naked", but there are a ton of people who just act ridiculous at these parades, and detriment the entire cause of the parade. Aw look, Sanius can't come up with a valid reason for disagreeing so he rated dumb again.[/QUOTE] I am sure if you give him or her some time they will have a response for you. In the mean time I am willing to respond to your misconceptions. I want you to imagine just for a minute that in the previous picture of the man with the balloons on his back was wearing jeans and a tee-shirt. Now imagine everyone in the parade was wearing 'normal' articles of clothing. Now, imagine your mother driving you past that parade as you headed to Wal-mart to pick out some more plain black tees because you lack the sense of self expression. It wouldn't be to obvious what they were parading about would it? You know why? Because they are normal people with different a sexuality. The costumes let you know, first glace what they are fighting for- their rights. The costumes are also a part of the free expression- like their want to be able to express their love for the same sex openly without being gocked at by you and your mum. Yes, I realize I don't know you and my comment(s) are pretty pointed and rude, but you must see what you are coming across as to everyone who has a structure opinion on the matter. I understand where your misconception and understanding is coming from though. I used to think like you when I was around thirteen or fourteen. I used to say "I don't care what the gays do, I just wish they wouldn't have those parades" and "What they are doing doesn't help their cause. Everyone just thinks they are annoying now" Irony being that I happen to be gay now. A tad bit of denial was still left in my bones around that time. You need to take a step back and put yourself in the shoes of another. As said before the LGBT community is a sub-human class of people currently in a lot of the world. These parades are a way to support each other through the fight for the equal rights. Here, re-read this. [QUOTE=BagMinge104;30139904]Here we go again. You want to know something? Gay pride is the best thing that ever happened to homosexuals, and I'll tell you why. It's empowering. It lets people know that there are other people out there who take pride in who they are, regardless of persecution in many parts of the world or people who may not like it. You don't tell people your straight because you've never been persecuted, there is nothing to empower you there because you are part of a privileged majority. It's a way of coping in a world who largely rejects us. You say you want integration? That we should blend in? Then why not fight alongside us for equal rights, and act like there is truly nothing to fear for the way we are. Sitting in a quiet corner, letting your rights be stripped away is not integration. It's fighting for recognition as equals that is.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;30172382]...which shouldn't mean anything to anyone who has established that they don't care soo this part of your argument doesn't really say anything the only people who would actually vote against gay rights in response to seeing a gay pride parade are people who had already made up their minds and weren't going to be swayed anyway.[/QUOTE] I don't think you're quite getting what my point is, it doesn't matter whether or not they were going to vote no, or whether they already had a negative opinion of you. Parading naked through the streets and being indecent in public isn't going to make people take you seriously. I'm really not sure how I can make that more simple :sigh:

[QUOTE=Kopimi;30172455]I don't think you're quite getting what my point is, it doesn't matter whether or not they were going to vote no, or whether they already had a negative opinion of you. Parading naked through the streets and being indecent in public isn't going to make people take you seriously.[/QUOTE] how do you know? you just seem to be assuming that they don't/won't work. how do you know that gay pride parades aren't effective? and no one takes a look at a gay pride parade and then [I]decides[/I] to hate gay people. hatred and bigotry are more deep-rooted than that, so you can toss out the whole "they're being harmful to the movement" sentiment

[QUOTE=Phone-Booth;30172446]I am sure if you give him or her some time they will have a response for you. In the mean time I am willing to respond to your misconceptions. I want you to imagine just for a minute that in the previous picture of the man with the balloons on his back was wearing jeans and a tee-shirt. Now imagine everyone in the parade was wearing 'normal' articles of clothing. Now, imagine your mother driving you past that parade as you headed to Wal-mart to pick out some more plain black tees because you lack the sense of self expression. It wouldn't be to obvious what they were parading about would it? You know why? Because they are normal people with different a sexuality. The costumes let you know, first glace what they are fighting for- their rights. The costumes are also a part of the free expression- like their want to be able to express their love for the same sex openly without being gocked at by you and your mum. Yes, I realize I don't know you and my comment(s) are pretty pointed and rude, but you must see what you are coming across as to everyone who has a structure opinion on the matter. I understand where your misconception and understanding is coming from though. I used to think like you when I was around thirteen or fourteen. I used to say "I don't care what the gays do, I just wish they wouldn't have those parades" and "What they are doing doesn't help their cause. Everyone just thinks they are annoying now" Irony being that I happen to be gay now. A tad bit of denial was still left in my bones around that time. You need to take a step back and put yourself in the shoes of another. As said before the LGBT community is a sub-human class of people currently in a lot of the world. These parades are a way to support each other through the fight for the equal rights. Here, re-read this.[/QUOTE] Hoh boy how clever, black tshirts and my mommy driving me to WalMart :what: Driving past a gay pride parade I could quite easily distinguish it based on all those signs that say things in relation to gay rights, and the big rainbow flags they wave about. Sorry if I've offended you by saying that naked people wearing balloon suits in public seem silly to me, but that's just what I think of them. Clearly you adamantly disagree with the notion that it's silly behavior, as noted by your failed attempts at being snide and witty. [editline]1st June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;30172494]but no one takes a look at a gay pride parade and then [i]decides[/i] to hate gay people. hatred and bigotry are more deep-rooted than that[/QUOTE] I'm not saying that they would be inclined to hate gay people based on a gay pride parade, I'm only saying that I don't think people will take you seriously if you're being indecent and rude in public.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;30172506]I'm only saying that I don't think people will take you seriously if you're being indecent and rude in public.[/QUOTE] you "think" that they're making people take them less seriously, based on your own apparent distaste for shirtless men, but... [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;30172494]how do you know? you just seem to be assuming that they don't/won't work. how do you know that gay pride parades aren't effective?[/QUOTE] you seem to be applying your personal distaste to everyone around you. that, if you don't like to see this, then that must be true for a significant portion of the people around you

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;30172563]you "don't think," based on your own apparent distaste for shirtless men, but...[/QUOTE] I guess you've got me there. If there's a hidden populous of voters who are impressed by their ability to wear assless chaps then I suppose you've won the vote.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;30172588]I guess you've got me there. If there's a hidden populous of voters who are impressed by their ability to wear assless chaps then I suppose you've won the vote.[/QUOTE] ugh if you're going to misrepresent arguments then don't bother. i'm certainly not going to, then

i dunno what he's saying kinda makes sense

[QUOTE=Mon;30172653]i dunno what he's saying kinda makes sense[/QUOTE] What Sigma's saying is that there aren't people swayed by gay pride parades to not want them to have marriage rights. People aren't turned away from supporting gay rights because some guys go on a parade naked, and Kopimi seems to think that's actively decreasing support for gay rights.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30172726]What Sigma's saying is that there aren't people swayed by gay pride parades to not want them to have marriage rights. People aren't turned away from supporting gay rights because some guys go on a parade naked, and Kopimi seems to think that's actively decreasing support for gay rights.[/QUOTE] I actually never said that but I'm sure that wont stop you from continuing to think so.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;30172734]I actually never said [/QUOTE] and i never actually said that thing you said i said sooo

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;30172768]and i never actually said that thing you said i said sooo[/QUOTE] Go ahead and quote me as to where I said that gay pride parades actively decrease support for gay rights.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;30172734]I actually never said that but I'm sure that wont stop you from continuing to think so.[/QUOTE] You indicated in several of your posts that you think the actions of the people in gay pride parades who go around naked discredit the movement, and even went on to misrepresent the side you were arguing against with that quip about "hidden voters who support gays' ability to wear assless chaps".

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30172781]You indicated in several of your posts that you think the actions of the people in gay pride parades who go around naked discredit the movement, and even went on to misrepresent the side you were arguing against with that quip about "hidden voters who support gays' ability to wear assless chaps".[/QUOTE] Saying that the naked participants discredit the seriousness of the parade is a lot different from saying that they actively decrease support for gay rights.