• North Korea is starting to crack as James Bond movies, free markets, soap operas, and channel 4 work
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[QUOTE=NoDachi;42831635]Only an idiot would want North Korea to collapse. South Korea doesn't want it, China doesn't want. Can you imagine the humanitarian tragedy if that actually happened?[/QUOTE] I don't want to deal with it so I'm going to keep the oppression, torture, executions, mass starvation.
[QUOTE=Novangel;42836500]I don't want to deal with it so I'm going to keep the oppression, torture, executions, mass starvation.[/QUOTE] I think his point was that he wanted it to peacefully reform.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42841057]I think his point was that he wanted it to peacefully reform.[/QUOTE] Good luck with that.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;42841070]Good luck with that.[/QUOTE] It's slowly being forced to. I can see North Korea doing this decade what China did in the 1980s.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42841075]It's slowly being forced to. I can see North Korea doing this decade what China did in the 1980s.[/QUOTE] I think they're a little too proud for that.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;42841105]I think they're a little too proud for that.[/QUOTE] If North Korea were so proud, why have they allowed black markets to flourish throughout the country? As long as you bribe the right people there, it's like an incredibly unregulated market economy. People growing food in their gardens make up the bulk of agricultural production. Most civil servants and soldiers participate as well, because their wages are so low that they have to be forced to do this. Also there's the special economic zones which despite North Korea chest humping about, are still in operation and more have been planned.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;42831635]Only an idiot would want North Korea to collapse. South Korea doesn't want it, China doesn't want. Can you imagine the humanitarian tragedy if that actually happened?[/QUOTE] because slave labor camps, public execution, absolutist rule and mass famine is totally a good humanitarian situation the world isn't some magical fairy land where countries like NK get better overnight. This isn't a disney movie. Things are going to get ugly one way or another.
always figured NK would fall apart eventually. fascism never works.
[QUOTE=Phi230;42841199]because slave labor camps, public execution, absolutist rule and mass famine is totally a good humanitarian situation the world isn't some magical fairy land where countries like NK get better overnight. This isn't a disney movie. Things are going to get ugly one way or another.[/QUOTE] It's not getting better overnight. It's going to either get better over the next few decades or rot and collapse.
[QUOTE=StupidUsername67;42841298]always figured NK would fall apart eventually. fascism never works.[/QUOTE] Authoritarianism* North Korea are Single Party Socialists while Fascism is characterised by tending to be more religious based. Fascism doesn't hold a monopoly on Authoritarianism.
I wouldn't want to be in the South Korean politics if NK finally dies. Or be a soldier either since SK probably will send military force up in North Korea. Imagine seeing the countryside as someone from a developed and western nation as South Korea.
[QUOTE]Fascism is characterised by tending to be more religious based.[/QUOTE] ¡¿?! What? From where do you get this conclussion?
[QUOTE=The mouse;42841417]Authoritarianism* North Korea are Single Party Socialists while Fascism is characterised by tending to be more religious based. Fascism doesn't hold a monopoly on Authoritarianism.[/QUOTE] More like fascism tends to be solely based upon the benefit of a select majority or minority.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;42831635]Only an idiot would want North Korea to collapse. South Korea doesn't want it, China doesn't want. [B]Can you imagine the humanitarian tragedy if that actually happened?[/B][/QUOTE] Millions of people would be given *gasp* [I]sufficient food and proper shelter![/I] Oh, the humanity!
[QUOTE=slayer64;42845001]Millions of people would be given *gasp* [I]sufficient food and proper shelter![/I] Oh, the humanity![/QUOTE] Do you honestly think if North Korea collapses that a functioning country it going to pop up in its place? And the north koreans are going to live happily ever after? The naivety in this thread is astounding.
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;42845288]But not impossible, see post war Europe where many lost everything and rebuild (be it with foreign help).[/QUOTE] You mean the areas occupied by all the world powers? I think a better example would be somalia
[QUOTE=NoDachi;42845199]Do you honestly think if North Korea collapses that a functioning country it going to pop up in its place? And the north koreans are going to live happily ever after? The naivety in this thread is astounding.[/QUOTE] If it were to become part of south korea or a unified korean country... South korea is really overpopulated or so i've heard so im sure they could use all the space at the north?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42841075]It's slowly being forced to. I can see North Korea doing this decade what China did in the 1980s.[/QUOTE] China is most likely going to collapse as well. They'll either have to do a soviet union or the middle classes will rise up.
[QUOTE=Adarrek;42845596]If it were to become part of south korea or a unified korean country... South korea is really overpopulated or so i've heard so im sure they could use all the space at the north?[/QUOTE] Yes South Korea is really going to inherit a failed state that will ruin their economy and cause social strife
[QUOTE=NoDachi;42845700]Yes South Korea is really going to inherit a failed state that will ruin their economy and cause social strife[/QUOTE] Couldn't it just allow for opportunities for greater prosperity in the country? You have a huge new area with untapped resources and that has tons of catch up growth to make up. Sounds like a great way to get double digit growth rates as businesses come to invest and stake their claim similar to what is happening in Myanmar.
[QUOTE=Smooth Jazz;42845854]Couldn't it just allow for opportunities for greater prosperity in the country? You have a huge new area with untapped resources and that has tons of catch up growth to make up. Sounds like a great way to get double digit growth rates as businesses come to invest and stake their claim similar to what is happening in Myanmar.[/QUOTE] They would be bankrupted in the process, getting stuck with a big piece of land might be good in the long term, but only if you can handle your current management. South Korea isn't without existing problems and they would have to deal with the entirety of the North Korean population, their education, and everything else that goes along with reforming the country. South Korea would break under that pressure.
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