Norway is such a freakin great country that even their prisons are beautiful and nice.
The punishment is realizing you screwed up big time while being rehabilitated.
think about it, if prisons were as posh as this, you would take away all the gangsters' "street cred" from going to prison.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;21685409]Had to stop there.
It doesn't matter if they are [I]supposed to be[/I]. Spiting a criminal for their offense doesn't fix anything. The idea of the prisons in Norway are to make sure the people don't re-offend, and they do that through counseling, and forcing them to live in a productive and educated manner; so that when they get out, they can find a job and live a normal life. What more, it works, apparently.
The US prison system takes petty thieves and drug users and turns them into hardened criminals. it's like a fucking criminal training school. No convict stops to anylize their punishment; they don't stop and think "gee, I shouldn't have smoked that pot and got sent here," all they know is that they have to sleep with one eye open or they'll get fucked in the ass by some hairy bulky guy. When they get out, sure, they may not want to go back, but after they get out, they're even more frustrated and mentally unstable than they were when they got in there in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Criminals rationalize their acts before they commit them. They think they have done good. If you give them amenities that are in all likely hood probably better than what they already have, they'll just see it as a reward for their actions. Criminals repeat because they get a thrill from it. Its a psychological issue. Non repeaters are the result of instantaneous action. A guy who robs a store at gunpoint because he lost his job did it because of a momentary lapse in reasoning brought about by extreme emotional imbalances. A guy who robs stores at gun point multiple times has naturally corrupt reasoning capabilities and will continue regardless of outside influence. The only exception to this rule is the homeless. In the U.S., many areas have trouble with the homeless repeatedly committing minor crimes just for temporary incarceration.This is because they live in a near constant state of emotional distress and in horrible conditions. The conditions in many jails and prisons are almost always better than their normal lives.
If I was a down-and-out street thug in norway (lol) I really don't see why I wouldn't want to go to prison.
[QUOTE=Zeddy;21685617]Criminals rationalize their acts before they commit them. They think they have done good. If you give them amenities that are in all likely hood probably better than what they already have, they'll just see it as a reward for their actions. Criminals repeat because they get a thrill from it. Its a psychological issue. Non repeaters are the result of instantaneous action. A guy who robs a store at gunpoint because he lost his job did it because of a momentary lapse in reasoning brought about by extreme emotional imbalances. A guy who robs stores at gun point multiple times has naturally corrupt reasoning capabilities and will continue regardless of outside influence. The only exception to this rule is the homeless. In the U.S., many areas have trouble with the homeless repeatedly committing minor crimes just for temporary incarceration.This is because they live in a near constant state of emotional distress and in horrible conditions. The conditions in many jails and prisons are almost always better than their normal lives.[/QUOTE]
You're pulling this out of your ass.
Nice try at FUD.
If only the WBC lived there.
Burn the church, get rewarded.
[QUOTE=davidofmk771;21685174]Some people have it worse on the outside, and is this one of those white collar prisons or real crime ones?[/QUOTE]
and that's why you give them the skills to have a better life 'on the outside.'
glad i could help you understand reasoning a three year old can handle
[QUOTE=doommarine23;21685489]The punishment should be the shame and sorrow they should feel during this.[/QUOTE]
Ultimately, many don't understand the concept of shame. Especially if they are provided with leisure after committing a crime. It simply becomes a benefit of the action. Shame results from being in a position of comparative weakness and incapability. Sorrow is intense psychological depression which results from severe loss or suffering.
[QUOTE=Zeddy;21685617]Criminals rationalize their acts before they commit them. They think they have done good. If you give them amenities that are in all likely hood probably better than what they already have, they'll just see it as a reward for their actions. Criminals repeat because they get a thrill from it. Its a psychological issue. Non repeaters are the result of instantaneous action. A guy who robs a store at gunpoint because he lost his job did it because of a momentary lapse in reasoning brought about by extreme emotional imbalances. A guy who robs stores at gun point multiple times has naturally corrupt reasoning capabilities and will continue regardless of outside influence. The only exception to this rule is the homeless. In the U.S., many areas have trouble with the homeless repeatedly committing minor crimes just for temporary incarceration.This is because they live in a near constant state of emotional distress and in horrible conditions. The conditions in many jails and prisons are almost always better than their normal lives.[/QUOTE]
you are so god damn dumb i don't even know where to begin
[QUOTE=Zeddy;21685484]A population of less than 5 million and sparse distribution of said population, and higher ratio of resources to population. Basically, geography and demographics.[/QUOTE]
This is a good point, but just because the US has a higher and denser population, doesn't mean that life cannot be better for others. The problem with the US (Canada, and Britain to some extent, but not as bad) is that some people have too much, and some people have too little. I work in very rich neighbourhoods, and it's absolutely disgusting what some people have. Most of them have not had that much education, they hardly work at all, and yet they have millions of dollars. It's absolutely disgusting. If all of them had less money, and everybody else on the income spectrum was paid more, the US could probably have a lot more equality.
But, that's a different point. I don't think humane prisons have been tried in the US, and due to those demographics, I don't think they'd be quite as successful as the ones in norway, because the guys get out, and they still live in a crime ridden shithole with the same lowlifes who just haven't been sent to prison for rehabilitation. That being said, I think they would still have a much higher success rate than the current inhumane prisons in the US. Currently, 1% of the US population is incarcerated. One in ten US citizens in in prison, and I'm sure a very heavy portion of them have been in and out multiple times. At this rate, humane prisons would be worth a try in the united states, but they might be fruitless unless some of the inequality issues in the US are resolved. If you leave prison, and your same family and friends are bogging you back down into a life of crime, there's not much many people can do.
[QUOTE=Zeddy;21685693]Ultimately, many don't understand the concept of shame. Especially if they are provided with leisure after committing a crime. It simply becomes a benefit of the action. Shame results from being in a position of comparative weakness and incapability. Sorrow is intense psychological depression which results from severe loss or suffering.[/QUOTE]
Do you understand this place at all?
It's a punishment, believe me.
i can't believe some of the shit in this thread
how stupid do you have to be to seriously believe prisons are supposed to be shitty to keep people from going back? i mean a five year old can guess that if you seclude people in terrible conditions for years at a time they won't be able to function in a normal life
There's Norway these prisons would ever work in the United States.
I'm using that one in each and every norway thread
[QUOTE=Chippay;21685883]i can't believe some of the shit in this thread
how stupid do you have to be to seriously believe prisons are supposed to be shitty to keep people from going back? i mean a five year old can guess that if you seclude people in terrible conditions for years at a time they won't be able to function in a normal life[/QUOTE]
They weren't functioning a normal life already to end up there.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21685925]There's Norway these prisons would ever work in the United States.[/QUOTE]
:golfclap:
[QUOTE=PermabannedGuy;21685990]They weren't functioning a normal life already to end up there.[/QUOTE]
Do you seriously believe that there is something inherently wrong with criminals? You can choose to break the law with a sound mind.
[QUOTE=PermabannedGuy;21685990]They weren't functioning a normal life already to end up there.[/QUOTE]
so let's ship them out even worse!
I remember back in high school a police officer telling my class about how their county jail (It wasn't the county we lived in) focused on providing a somewhat humane environment to its inmates. Supposedly it makes the prisoners easier to control and less likely to cause trouble.
But then it was a jail, not a prison
[QUOTE=Aredbomb;21686022]I remember back in high school a police officer telling my class about how their county jail (It wasn't the county we lived in) focused on providing a somewhat humane environment to its inmates. Supposedly it makes the prisoners easier to control and less likely to cause trouble.
But then it was a jail, not a prison[/QUOTE]
I spent the weekend in a jail before, they're not bad. Since they're usually in the police station so you can occupy your time listening to the cops work.
Man, they're really halden back on the punishment.
I thought at first that the title of the thread meant that it meant the exact opposite of what it implied, but I was wrong.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;21685706]This is a good point, but just because the US has a higher and denser population, doesn't mean that life cannot be better for others. The problem with the US (Canada, and Britain to some extent, but not as bad) is that some people have too much, and some people have too little. I work in very rich neighbourhoods, and it's absolutely disgusting what some people have. Most of them have not had that much education, they hardly work at all, and yet they have millions of dollars. It's absolutely disgusting. If all of them had less money, and everybody else on the income spectrum was paid more, the US could probably have a lot more equality.
But, that's a different point. I don't think humane prisons have been tried in the US, and due to those demographics, I don't think they'd be quite as successful as the ones in norway, because the guys get out, and they still live in a crime ridden shithole with the same lowlifes who just haven't been sent to prison for rehabilitation. That being said, I think they would still have a much higher success rate than the current inhumane prisons in the US. Currently, 1% of the US population is incarcerated. One in ten US citizens in in prison, and I'm sure a very heavy portion of them have been in and out multiple times. At this rate, humane prisons would be worth a try in the united states, but they might be fruitless unless some of the inequality issues in the US are resolved. If you leave prison, and your same family and friends are bogging you back down into a life of crime, there's not much many people can do.[/QUOTE]
Not to be a dick, but 1% would be 1 in every 100.
I think this is a good idea for all of the reasons stated before. Prison should be about rehabilitating a person, instead of indirectly continuing the cycle of crime.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21686077]I spent the weekend in a jail before, they're not bad. Since they're usually in the police station so you can occupy your time listening to the cops work.[/QUOTE]
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If that movie happened in Norway, that judges phone would have shot a thank you note out of it.
I'm so moving to Norway now.
Canada (at least the last time I checked) has the same sort of philosophy towards prison.
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