Watch Out Garry: California Passes 'Internet Undo’ Law For Children - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;42404668]But if a complete idiot like say, Knux95, posts [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1261162&p=41348133&viewfull=1#post41348133]something retarded[/url] and people quote him, he can ask for all the posts that quoted him to be removed. And that's bad.[/QUOTE] [I]how about we just simply remove the heart of the problem and everyone wins? except Knux[/I] easy easy [QUOTE=BloodFox1222;42403038]Kids aren't always going to gravitate to whatever is most self-destructive and dangerous. A kid can be just as responsible with their personal information as an adult if they've been taught what not to post on the internet.[/QUOTE] yes, but how do they know 100% what they say is ok? I've said some STUPID SHIT on THIS VERY account back in 06 nothing that you can use personally, but, it doesn't take much effort for some young idiot to blur out something stupid. and parents aren't responsible. That's for sure. [editline]4th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;42405840]It might actually help with those being harassed by cyberbullies. [/QUOTE] Remember Jessica Slaughter? this could have helped, even if a little bit

[QUOTE=Fangz;42402540]I think anything posted by someone under 18 is technically fair game for removal with this law.[/QUOTE] A lot of forums are going to go dark then

[QUOTE=pentium;42402705][img]http://facepunch.com/fp/flags/bh.png[/img] <----?[/QUOTE] flag of California idiot

I'm trying to understand why people think this is such a bad thing, I'm reading over it, but it seems fine. Can anyone clarify it for me?

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;42409114]I'm trying to understand why people think this is such a bad thing, I'm reading over it, but it seems fine. Can anyone clarify it for me?[/QUOTE] From reading this thread it seems like a lot of people aren't realizing that kids can't just ask to get [I]anything[/I] removed, it has to be something [I][B]they[/B][/I] posted. From the law itself: [quote](1) Permit a minor who is a registered user of the operator’s Internet Web site, online service, online application, or mobile application to remove or, if the operator prefers, to request and obtain removal of, content or information posted on the operator’s Internet Web site, online service, online application, or mobile application [B]by the user.[/B][/quote] Basically this is already possible on Facepunch. (It's called the edit button).

(1) Permit a minor who is a registered user of the operator’s Internet Web site, online service, online application, or mobile application to remove or, if the operator prefers, to request and obtain removal of, content or information posted on the operator’s Internet Web site, online service, online application, or mobile application by the user. (2) Provide notice to a minor who is a registered user of the operator’s Internet Web site, online service, online application, or mobile application that the minor may remove or, if the operator prefers, request and obtain removal of, content or information posted on the operator’s Internet Web site, online service, online application, or mobile application by the registered user. (3) Provide clear instructions to a minor who is a registered user of the operator’s Internet Web site, online service, online application, or mobile application on how the user may remove or, if the operator prefers, request and obtain the removal of content or information posted on the operator’s Internet Web site, online service, online application, or mobile application. (4) Provide notice to a minor who is a registered user of the operator’s Internet Web site, online service, online application, or mobile application that the removal described under paragraph (1) does not ensure complete or comprehensive removal of the content or information posted on the operator’s Internet Web site, online service, online application, or mobile application by the registered user. [editline]4th October 2013[/editline] (b) An operator or a third party is not required to erase or otherwise eliminate, or to enable erasure or elimination of, content or information in any of the following circumstances: (1) Any other provision of federal or state law requires the operator or third party to maintain the content or information. (2) The content or information was stored on or posted to the operator’s Internet Web site, online service, online application, or mobile application by a third party other than the minor, who is a registered user, including any content or information posted by the registered user that was stored, republished, or reposted by the third party. (3) The operator anonymizes the content or information posted by the minor who is a registered user, so that the minor who is a registered user cannot be individually identified. [editline]4th October 2013[/editline] (5) The minor has received compensation or other consideration for providing the content. Guys, I'll post my address for $100 ok [editline]4th October 2013[/editline] [B]22582. This chapter shall become operative on January 1, 2015.[/B]

A better alternative would be "turn off the computer"

[QUOTE=CheezMan;42409358]A better alternative would be "turn off the computer"[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/W1zk4ZF.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Corndog Ninja;42409481][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/W1zk4ZF.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] does this man stop being great

watch a whole shit ton of servers leave cali because of this BS. it can't be enforced anywhere else but cali. also watch people upload pictures to random russian pic hosts haha

[QUOTE=Corndog Ninja;42409481][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/W1zk4ZF.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B03o_CVL9lY[/media]

[QUOTE=Fangz;42408572]It is a bad law and idea because it is worded in a way that will make it easy for it to be abused and directly clashes with the Internet as it is now. Plus it is a 'nanny law'.[/QUOTE] So we shouldn't stop kids from doing something stupid and then getting abused for it? [editline]4th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;42409114]I'm trying to understand why people think this is such a bad thing, I'm reading over it, but it seems fine. Can anyone clarify it for me?[/QUOTE] It really comes down to this wild west feel, we've all learned how this thing works for the most part and we know the landscape but plenty of people get burned/abused on it and we're fine with that because its cool guys. Its not us.

[QUOTE=Swilly;42409778]So we shouldn't stop kids from doing something stupid and then getting abused for it? [editline]4th October 2013[/editline] It really comes down to this wild west feel, we've all learned how this thing works for the most part and we know the landscape but plenty of people get burned/abused on it and we're fine with that because its cool guys. Its not us.[/QUOTE] The wild west feel is what I like about it! There's so many ways to say it, but just FUCK THIS LAW.

[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;42404668]But if a complete idiot like say, Knux95, posts [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1261162&p=41348133&viewfull=1#post41348133]something retarded[/url] and people quote him, he can ask for all the posts that quoted him to be removed. And that's bad.[/QUOTE] That's what Spork-Juct used to do when he was a moderator and said something dumb himself.

I don't think this will get very far. I think it will be repealed and forgotten like all the other asinine things that "protect children on the internet" That's their parent's job, not the law's.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42410107]I don't think this will get very far. I think it will be repealed and forgotten like all the other asinine things that "protect children on the internet" That's their parent's job, not the law's.[/QUOTE] It was unanimously passed by the state senate, it won't be repealed. I really don't get what's the problem with this law, I don't know if I can make it any clearer for everyone: [I][B]It does not mean people can request websites to take down any fucking thing that has something to do with them, it has to be something THEY posted.[/B][/I] Also: [quote] An operator or a third party is [B]not required[/B] to erase or otherwise eliminate, or to enable erasure or elimination of, content or information in any of the following circumstances: [...] (2) The content or information was stored on or posted to the operator’s Internet Web site, online service, online application, or mobile application by a [B]third party other than the minor[/B], who is a registered user, including any content or information posted by the registered user that was stored, republished, [B]or reposted by the third party.[/B] [/quote] So quotes are not required to be removed either. [editline]4th October 2013[/editline] Like I said, we already have the edit button, as does most websites. This isn't really a bad thing at all.

This law obviously targets Facebook whose headquarters are in CA.

Does this mean that if a 12 year old gets VAC banned they can request to remove it because the ban hurts their reputation?

[QUOTE=Stents*;42410605]Does this mean that if a 12 year old gets VAC banned they can request to remove it because the ban hurts their reputation?[/QUOTE] No. [editline]4th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=retroboy4;42410470]This law obviously targets Facebook whose headquarters are in CA.[/QUOTE] P. sure Facebook already are in the process of or have already rolled out an edit button for comments. Editing/deleting wall posts have been possible since long ago so that's not an issue. It's not like an edit button is a bad thing to have anyway.

garry you hurt my reputation please delete yourself.

[QUOTE=retroboy4;42410470]This law obviously targets Facebook whose headquarters are in CA.[/QUOTE] A bunch of their servers are in Oregon.

[QUOTE=Del91;42413173]A bunch of their servers are in Oregon.[/QUOTE] Obviously we must delete Oregon

I don't think they understand the (and I hate to use this word) viral way the internet works. More powerful people have tried to remove their mistakes to no avail. If someone wants that information spread, it will be spread. Honestly, a better idea might be an awareness campaign as to the permanency of a person's online actions and the consequences that can follow.

[quote] Meanwhile, does the person have to be a minor when they ask for a post to be removed, or can an adult ask to remove something they posted when they were a minor? And does the law apply to all websites in the U.S. or just those based in California? If the law is extended to a website in another state such as Kansas, it may be a violation of the dormant Commerce Clause in the U.S. Constitution, which gives the ability to regulate interstate commerce solely to the U.S. Congress. In other words, while states have power granted to them under the Tenth Amendment to exercise legislative power over state constituents, no state has the legal or constitutional ability to make and enforce laws for those in other states. [/quote] so pretty much unless you host your site in Cali you're fine

[QUOTE=Starpluck;42402756]What is registration IP?[/QUOTE] Aw man, I thought we literally had a mod from Bahrain