While it's always easy to laugh at North Korea and think that they'll never succeed. It is a very bad thing to underestimate the enemy's capabilities. I bet some people thought we would have no trouble fighting Vietnam or the Iraq War because we were so much more advanced, but look at what both wars did/are doing to us. While they are still behind us, one day they might just pull something off and shock the rest of the world.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50680631]The North Korean people may love Kim Jong Un but they hate the government. [b]I think that the people of NK would quickly see that their country is literally the worst in the entire world.[/b][/QUOTE]
Somalia? Ethiopia? Syria?
NK may be bad but it's faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from the worst country on the planet.
[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;50680986]Somalia? Ethiopia? Syria?
NK may be bad but it's faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from the worst country on the planet.[/QUOTE]
No, North Korea is easily the worst country on the planet. Worse than Somalia, worse than Ethiopia, and right now, yes, it's rivaled by Syria
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50681003]No, North Korea is easily the worst country on the planet. Worse than Somalia, worse than Ethiopia, and right now, yes, it's rivaled by Syria[/QUOTE]
Now that's one huge strawman.
You mean the worst country in the DEVELOPED* world perhaps? How can North Korea be any worse than Somalia where corpses are chained to trucks?
Human rights are non-existent in Mogadishu.
* Yeah I'm aware that it's pure smoke and mirrors and that they are starving but NK is quite developed to be a country under a fierce dictatorship.
[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;50681014]Now that's one huge strawman.
You mean the worst country in the DEVELOPED* world perhaps? How can North Korea be any worse than Somalia where corpses are chained to trucks?
Human rights are non-existent in Mogadishu.
* Yeah I'm aware that it's pure smoke and mirrors and that they are starving but NK is quite developed to be a country under a fierce dictatorship.[/QUOTE]
If you think that North Korea has any semblance of human rights, you're delusional. They're "developed" in the same way that Pripyat is; they were given an allowance from the soviet union back in the 80s but is totally decrepit now. North Korea barely fits the definition of "developed", unless you're judging North Korea based on the gigantic propaganda metropolis known as Pyongyang. The vast vast majority of North Korea doesn't have food, electricity, cars, skyscrapers, or any of the 20-21st century amenities that Pyongyang does. Jobs hardly exist; the factories shut down and north koreans live off of the income from black markets called Jandmadang
[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;50677954]You people are all jackasses.
Last year they were doing this shit and failed. You made fun of them. They did it again, they succeeded. You make fun of them.
Their progress is a very real fucking threat.[/QUOTE]
Nork subs are more barges that submerge than submarines.
They may be making progress but they are still laughably bad.
Title should be NK shoots pebble with slingshot. They aren't intimidating anyone.
[QUOTE=$$>MUFFIN<$$;50677746]Ehhh, I doubt a DPRK Sub could ever get to far from the mainland without it getting spotted/found/picked up on sonar/radar.[/QUOTE]
sonar and radar are not hard to fool... i remember a UK USA excercise where a cold war UK sub was able to get within the carrier support formation and 'kill' 2 carriers and 3 support vessels all through masking its signature by moving under a destroyer... yes... by moving under a destroyer...
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50679631]They are already considered a serious threat? I don't understand why someone has to swoop into every NORK thread and say this, as if forum posters are representatives of US foreign policy or something.[/QUOTE]
I guess after hearing "the norks continue their war against Poseidon" twenty times in every thread, it stops being funny.
There's nothing wrong with sitting in this thread laughing at North Korea. Even if they are a threat, it would be better to just point fingers and laugh at them than cower in fear.
Given we fired Polaris off a US Submarine for the first time successfully in the 60's, I'm not sure we have too much to worry about. The level of technology they are using compared to the (as someone already pointed out) 60ish years ahead level we have, mweh.
[QUOTE=Saxon;50678085]Nah more than likely from Iran, China doesn't like them having nuclear missile tech[/QUOTE]
I'm curious, how are they able to be supplied by foreign nations without anyone else noticing? If Iran sent a sub to North Korea, couldn't we see it? Wouldn't our intelligence agencies know about it?
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[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;50680986]Somalia? Ethiopia? Syria?
NK may be bad but it's faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from the worst country on the planet.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's that far away. It's a dystopian dictatorship trying it's hardest to build a nation in the model of 1984's worst principles, and at least in Somalia you won't be forced to eat your own child's corpse to survive in a labor camp. If I had to choose between Somalia and North Korea, I'd probably choose Somalia. At least I have a chance of escape.
[QUOTE=Hey I'm Grump;50686813]There's nothing wrong with sitting in this thread laughing at North Korea. Even if they are a threat, it would be better to just point fingers and laugh at them than cower in fear.[/QUOTE]
While the antics of their government may seem laughable, nothing is funny about North korea. It has one of the worst, if not the worst, human rights records in the world. Their people starve and have no freedom of speech, movement, and hardly have the capability for freedom of thought. Public executions are common for trivial offenses, such as stealing or insulting Kim Jong Un. People escape from what they believe to be "paradise" because they have no food. The families of those who escape are punished; sent to labor camps. Those who are caught face being sent to a labor camp or execution.
This country forces thousands of women to live as illegal immigrants; most sold as prostitutes in China, where they will be arrested if discovered by the police, and sent back to North Korea to face imprisonment or death.
Nothing really to laugh about, I think
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[QUOTE=srobins;50686931]I'm curious, how are they able to be supplied by foreign nations without anyone else noticing? If Iran sent a sub to North Korea, couldn't we see it? Wouldn't our intelligence agencies know about it?[/QUOTE]
They fly under other countries flags. And up until recently, it wasn't illegal to trade with North Korea
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50688629]While the antics of their government may seem laughable, nothing is funny about North korea. It has one of the worst, if not the worst, human rights records in the world. Their people starve and have no freedom of speech, movement, and hardly have the capability for freedom of thought. Public executions are common for trivial offenses, such as stealing or insulting Kim Jong Un. People escape from what they believe to be "paradise" because they have no food. The families of those who escape are punished; sent to labor camps. Those who are caught face being sent to a labor camp or execution.
This country forces thousands of women to live as illegal immigrants; most sold as prostitutes in China, where they will be arrested if discovered by the police, and sent back to North Korea to face imprisonment or death.
Nothing really to laugh about, I think
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They fly under other countries flags. And up until recently, it wasn't illegal to trade with North Korea[/QUOTE]
i meant more "laugh at their shoddy technology thats pretty much 60 years behind ours" than "laugh at their country cause its a poorly performing overall country"
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50688629]They fly under other countries flags. And up until recently, it wasn't illegal to trade with North Korea[/QUOTE]
That raises even more questions, specifically how the countries being impersonated don't find out and lose their mind. I would imagine being wrongfully accused of supplying military goods to North Korea would be pretty upsetting in the international community. North Korea and everything surrounding it is just so odd.
[QUOTE=srobins;50688718]That raises even more questions, specifically how the countries being impersonated don't find out and lose their mind. I would imagine being wrongfully accused of supplying military goods to North Korea would be pretty upsetting in the international community. North Korea and everything surrounding it is just so odd.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure that the CIA is well aware of who is actually supplying weapons to North Korea and when, but I doubt that that info would become a matter of public debate, for security reasons.
Oh god, I might have predicted the future.
They're gonna skip their missiles across the ocean, like skipping a rock but from submarine to submarine.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50688629]
[editline]10th July 2016[/editline]
They fly under other countries flags. And up until recently, it wasn't illegal to trade with North Korea[/QUOTE]
Can confirm. My country does trade with em
And that is why its also visa free for me to go to north korea
Its singapore not taiwan
[QUOTE=Matriax;50686887]Given we fired Polaris off a US Submarine for the first time successfully in the 60's, I'm not sure we have too much to worry about. The level of technology they are using compared to the (as someone already pointed out) 60ish years ahead level we have, mweh.[/QUOTE]
An icbm nuke is an icbm nuke, chances of stopping a cold war icbm is about 20 to 40 % for the USA mostly depending on where they aimed at.
Then again i doubt NK would ever fire nukes, their game is litterally up when they do and they cant even bring down a country...
If anything they will be using their nukes defensively.
Woudnt be surprised if the missile stuff failing is all smoke and mirrors to both make people fear them and take them serious, but not enough to actually start invading...
as in 'they have nukes and are developing icbms, but they dont have them yet lol'
[QUOTE=$$>MUFFIN<$$;50677746]Ehhh, I doubt a DPRK Sub could ever get to far from the mainland without it getting spotted/found/picked up on sonar/radar.[/QUOTE]
This exact mentality is why NK is gonna surprise fuck the world in the ass some day.
NK has nuclear capabilities. How long till we're gonna stop treating them as a joke and a fucking actual threat?
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;50677654]Their war against Neptune continues unabated.[/QUOTE]
At this rate you'd think they were aiming for the planet itself
[QUOTE=mr apple;50690390]This exact mentality is why NK is gonna surprise fuck the world in the ass some day.
NK has nuclear capabilities. How long till we're gonna stop treating them as a joke and a fucking actual threat?[/QUOTE]
How much does this have to be reiterated? A bunch of forum posters is not representative of countries foreign policies. Tell US views NORK as such a threat that they have permanent military bases stationed in South Korea. If you think intelligence agencies aren't monitoring the fuck out of every single North Korean actions you're naive. Don't worry man.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50690487]How much does this have to be reiterated? A bunch of forum posters is not representative of countries foreign policies. Tell US views NORK as such a threat that they have permanent military bases stationed in South Korea. If you think intelligence agencies aren't monitoring the fuck out of every single North Korean actions you're naive. Don't worry man.[/QUOTE]
I understand that facepunch isn't the end-all of discussions. Anything discussed here barely has any affect on the planet at all. We're just a bunch of 15 - 30 y/o's getting more contempt over time.
I'm just more-so worried that the governments aren't gonna do shit till it's too late. War isn't pretty, but it's what NK is aiming for, and a lot of North Koreans are gonna pay with their innocent lives before it gets any better.
[QUOTE=mr apple;50690390]This exact mentality is why NK is gonna surprise fuck the world in the ass some day.
NK has nuclear capabilities. How long till we're gonna stop treating them as a joke and a fucking actual threat?[/QUOTE]
oh come on we're just people on the internet laughing our asses off, we don't have to take shit seriously. let the experts worry about this shit
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50690135]An icbm nuke is an icbm nuke, chances of stopping a cold war icbm is about 20 to 40 % for the USA mostly depending on where they aimed at.
Then again i doubt NK would ever fire nukes, their game is litterally up when they do and they cant even bring down a country...
If anything they will be using their nukes defensively.
Woudnt be surprised if the missile stuff failing is all smoke and mirrors to both make people fear them and take them serious, but not enough to actually start invading...
as in 'they have nukes and are developing icbms, but they dont have them yet lol'[/QUOTE]
That's like saying "a missile is a missile". There are many different types with many different capabilities. Our far more capable nuclear missile program in the 60s was able to develop a better weapon that NK has now launched from more effective submarines.
Where'd you get those figures from? Do you know what altitude the NK missile gets to? Does it have a ballistic trajectory? What speed does it reach? What guides it? Can that guidance system be compromised? Do you know if it has multiple warheads? Do you know its Radar cross section? Has it got any systems to fool ballistic missile defence systems? What's its range?
That's just the missile, look at the submarine.
How many submarines do the North Koreans have that are capable of launching this weapon? What powers them? Are they loud - are they well tested? What depth must the submarine be at to launch? Can we detect it at that depth? Will there be ample warning before a launch given our current levels of surveillance?
So - where has 20-40% come from? You didn't just make it up did you?
There is a lot that goes into estimates like this. I'd be willing to bet a fair amount that we don't have too much to worry about at this stage. Keep an eye on, to be sure, but not worth joining the shit-yourself parade over.
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