B.C. transgender girl, 10, makes formal request to have gender removed from her birth certificate - Polidicks

[QUOTE=nivek;42673352]There's no such thing as transgender. You're either a girl or a guy, you can dress however you want but you either got girly party or man parts, it all depends on what reproductive organ you have not how you feel, that's why they put only one option on a birth certificate.[/QUOTE] Oh my god how many times will we have to go through this so everyone would finally understand to do SOME research before saying stuff on complicated topics...

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;42673427]I was only saying that because when I was 10 or 3 me and the kids I hanged out with weren't focused on our gender and were more focused on how to have fun. It just seems odd that some kid randomly decides he or she wants to be the opposite sex and everyone is OK with it even when the kid has yet to fully mature.[/QUOTE]Its not a decision. Its not something they focus on like a career choice. Its literally a part of who they are, something that they realize about themselves. No one chooses to be transgender anymore than someone chooses to be gay or chooses to be white.

[QUOTE=nivek;42673352]There's no such thing as transgender. You're either a girl or a guy, you can dress however you want but you either got girly party or man parts, it all depends on what reproductive organ you have not how you feel, that's why they put only one option on a birth certificate.[/QUOTE] Didn't your mother ever teach you not to open your mouth when you have no idea what the hell you're talking about?

[QUOTE=Pelican;42673417]dear god people here are more stupid than anticipated, i'll dumb it down for you 'throughout history' means through HISTORY, meaning for a long time, and not the 19th and 20th centuries phooey.[/QUOTE] You're moving the goal posts in the most obvious fashion imaginable. Sure, there's folks like the hijra or some tribes in africa, but in the west... and I'm not even going to get into what happen when the west colonized those regions.

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;42672718]trans* [/QUOTE] Sorry to butt in like this, but what does it mean when people put an * after trans?

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;42673427]I was only saying that because when I was 10 or 3 me and the kids I hanged out with weren't focused on our gender and were more focused on how to have fun. It just seems odd that some kid randomly decides he or she wants to be the opposite sex and everyone is OK with it even when the kid has yet to fully mature.[/QUOTE] if you actually read the damn thread, you will see people already posted research articles proving you wrong. its like this has to be said in every trans thread ever.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;42673459]Its not a decision. Its not something they focus on like a career choice. Its literally a part of who they are, something that they realize about themselves. No one chooses to be transgender anymore than someone chooses to be gay or chooses to be white.[/QUOTE] It's just odd to me that it's a kid who's still developing. A lot of us can say that we've changed a lot since we were kids so I think they should wait until he/she is absolutely sure he/she is transgendered.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;42673434][url]http://tghistory.org/[/url] many points of either being fired/beaten/killed/put into loonybins.[/QUOTE] a few cases means certain people are at a historical disadvantage. let me just give you a proper 'historical disadvantage' case - people with no arms or legs. these people cannot fend for themselves or do menial tasks for themselves, thus at a disadvantage - this is placing them at a recurring (to affected individuals) disadvantage to their life THROUGH HISTORY. it's pedantic, but it's not a historical issue in the slightest [QUOTE=OHNOES;42673491]Sorry to butt in like this, but what does it mean when people put an * after trans?[/QUOTE] more attempts to further themselves from cis people

[QUOTE=OHNOES;42673491]Sorry to butt in like this, but what does it mean when people put an * after trans?[/QUOTE] * is a wildcard. like 'rm *' in a computer deletes everything. trans* means trans in whatever form or fashion

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;42673505]It's just odd to me that it's a kid who's still developing. A lot of us can say that we've changed a lot since we were kids so I think they should wait until he/she is absolutely sure he/she is transgendered.[/QUOTE] That's why hormone therapy and surgery are only available once you turn... What, 16? Also I remember a few cases where children were raised to be one gender (largely due to either botched circumcisions or ambiguous genitals) but grew up identifying as the other, even though the parents (and doctors via hormones) tried to make them the "established" gender. Like an MtF at birth identifying as male later in life (without realizing what happened to them at birth.)

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;42673505]It's just odd to me that it's a kid who's still developing. A lot of us can say that we've changed a lot since we were kids so I think they should wait until he/she is absolutely sure he/she is transgendered.[/QUOTE]They won't do any medical procedures or anything until a kid is an adult. The most they will do for anyone at her age is prescribe hormone blockers.

[QUOTE=Pelican;42673515]a few cases means certain people are at a historical disadvantage. let me just give you a proper 'historical disadvantage' case - people with no arms or legs. these people cannot end for themselves or do menial tasks for themselves, thus at a disadvantage - this is placing them at a disadvantage to their life THROUGH HISTORY. it's pedantic, but it's not a historical issue in the slightest[/QUOTE] Even if transsexuals only started to appear 100/200 years ago, they were still denied basic human rights and treated like sub human filth, if that's not being disadvantaged then IDK what is. [QUOTE=Elecbullet;42673522]* is a wildcard. like 'rm *' in a computer deletes everything. trans* means trans in whatever form or fashion[/QUOTE] Ah oki, thanks

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;42673505]It's just odd to me that it's a kid who's still developing. A lot of us can say that we've changed a lot since we were kids so I think they should wait until he/she is absolutely sure he/she is transgendered.[/QUOTE] Really lol? Someone who feels like they are a boy when they are 10 aren't going to feel like a girl when they are 18, and someone who feels like a girl aren't going to feel like a boy when they grow up. Could you seriously imagine which gender you feel like changing from when you were ~6-7 years old? It's not a fucking hairstyle preference, it's something that's part of who you [I]are[/I] and [I]feel like[/I] which doesn't change after it's done developing, holy shit..

[QUOTE=Pelican;42673515] more attempts to further themselves from cis people[/QUOTE] -\\\Trans|$|$|$|cat///- Is that how it works? Btw what you said is stupid.

All I'm saying is I'd wait till they're in their teens until they start changing anything and to make sure that they feel that they are the opposite gender.

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;42673573]All I'm saying is I'd wait till they're in their teens until they start changing anything and to make sure that they feel that they are the opposite gender.[/QUOTE] That's what they [i]do[/i].

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;42673586]That's what they [i]do[/i].[/QUOTE] Well I've been saying that for the past 5 minutes and all you've done is call me wrong and rate me dumb.

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;42673592]Well I've been saying that for the past 5 minutes and all you've done is call me wrong and rate me dumb.[/QUOTE] Because you've not read anything anyone's posted and said dumb shit.

[QUOTE=OHNOES;42673534]Even if transsexuals only started to appear 100/200 years ago, they were still denied basic human rights and treated like sub human filth, if that's not being disadvantaged then IDK what is.[/QUOTE] the key point is 'historically' disadvantaged. disadvantaged; undoubtedly, but not historically

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42671803] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling, ban history, for some reason made three transgender threads in the past 2 days" - Megafan))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Goodnight sweet prince

[QUOTE=thisispain;42673335]maybe refrain from making statements on things you dont understand? birth certificates get retroactively changed all the time, what you were born as believe it or not is of zero relevance to the government. the government just needs to know who you are now.[/QUOTE] Okay. I looked into it, and it appears that people have this done for 'stealth' or to protect against inadequacies in other portions of the system (for example, the transwoman who was denied husband's death compensation due to her birth certificate). I continue to believe that the ideal solution be for the birth certificate to document the actual condition of the child at birth, and for the mentioned inadequacies to be corrected. If that's not possible, birth certificate amendment might have to do.

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;42673608]Because you've not read anything anyone's posted and said dumb shit.[/QUOTE] How is me saying to wait until a 10 year old kid has matured for them to make a big decision dumb?

[QUOTE=Pelican;42673610]the key point is 'historically' disadvantaged. disadvantaged; undoubtedly, but not historically[/QUOTE] Follow the link that codemaster posted.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;42673459]Its not a decision. Its not something they focus on like a career choice. Its literally a part of who they are, something that they realize about themselves. No one chooses to be transgender anymore than someone chooses to be gay or chooses to be white.[/QUOTE] I understand it's not a decision and some people are the way they are; but medically you're one or the other, and a birth certificate isn't gonna specify what you want to be in your heart (gender) just like it's not gonna say what your favorite ice cream is.

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;42673586]That's what they [i]do[/i].[/QUOTE] I think he means on a legal level But either way documents can be changed again anyway so there's nothing to really object to

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;42673626]How is me saying to wait until a 10 year old kid has matured for them to make a big decision dumb?[/QUOTE] there's no decision to be made. if you suffer from gender dysphoria the only thing you can do is acknowledge it or live in denial

Oh dear this thread. [QUOTE=Elecbullet;42673301]Birth certificates give information about the child at their birth. It's already implied that "sex" is 'sex at birth'. I don't see why further clarification is necessary - should we also specify 'name at birth' in case they change that? I don't understand why we're retroactively changong birth certificates anyway. that's how you were. Deal with it.[/QUOTE] Generally transgender people are trying to blend in as seamlessly as possible, having a huge "THIS WAS A GUY" sign on official documents goes against the point of being treated as a female (or male) rather than being treated as a transgendered person. It helps make sure they're not discriminated against because if they're making any attempt at passing than so long as their documents reflect it there's a good chance no one will know their transgendered status and there's no reason why they need to know either.

[QUOTE=Cone;42673654]there's no decision to be made. if you suffer from gender dysphoria the only thing you can do is acknowledge it or live in denial[/QUOTE] Sure, but an immature 10 year old isn't going to understand; kinda like how a bunch of young teenagers thing they're depressed for some ridiculous shit.

[QUOTE=Cone;42673654]there's no decision to be made. if you suffer from gender dysphoria the only thing you can do is acknowledge it or live in denial[/QUOTE] But there is a decision to be made. You can feel like the opposite gender but do you want to be seen, recongized and act like the opposite gender?

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;42673628]Follow the link that codemaster posted.[/QUOTE] reading comprehension +3