B.C. transgender girl, 10, makes formal request to have gender removed from her birth certificate - Polidicks

[QUOTE=nivek;42673632]I understand it's not a decision and some people are the way they are; but medically you're one or the other, and a birth certificate isn't gonna specify what you want to be in your heart (gender) just like it's not gonna say what your favorite ice cream is.[/QUOTE] it really should just say "sex at birth:" and let you be legally referred to however you prefer. then everyone knows the important details AND you get to be happy with how you are

[QUOTE=Pelican;42673515]a few cases means certain people are at a historical disadvantage. let me just give you a proper 'historical disadvantage' case - people with no arms or legs. these people cannot fend for themselves or do menial tasks for themselves, thus at a disadvantage - this is placing them at a recurring (to affected individuals) disadvantage to their life THROUGH HISTORY. it's pedantic, but it's not a historical issue in the slightest more attempts to further themselves from cis people[/QUOTE] you heard it here folks, being labeled as a freak or flogged after being found out youre trans is not an disadvantage throughout history. [editline]28th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=nivek;42673670]Sure, but an immature 10 year old isn't going to understand; kinda like how a bunch of young teenagers thing they're depressed for some ridiculous shit.[/QUOTE] look at all this research you have to prove what youre saying is right:

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;42673671]But there is a decision to be made. You can feel like the opposite gender but do you want to be seen, recongized and act like the opposite gender?[/QUOTE] the only problem here is that people aren't as accepting as they should be, and there's nothing wrong with wanting to be the person you know you are. i mean, i personally wouldn't want to spend the first twenty years of my life living a complete lie and possibly falling into irreparable depression because of other people's intolerance, but maybe that's just me. [editline]28th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=nivek;42673670]Sure, but an immature 10 year old isn't going to understand; kinda like how a bunch of young teenagers thing they're depressed for some ridiculous shit.[/QUOTE] which is why you get trained and qualified doctors to look at you and don't actually start doing anything until you're much older. nobody is going to be doing sex reassignment surgery on three year olds, it's just that the earlier the problem can be identified, the easier it is to fix later on.

[QUOTE=Reshy;42673660]Oh dear this thread. Generally transgender people are trying to blend in as seamlessly as possible, having a huge "THIS WAS A GUY" sign on official documents goes against the point of being treated as a female (or male) rather than being treated as a transgendered person. It helps make sure they're not discriminated against because if they're making any attempt at passing than so long as their documents reflect it there's a good chance no one will know their transgendered status and there's no reason why they need to know either.[/QUOTE] I still can't bring myself to believe that what's essentially an error amended into an official document is the ideal. Perhaps a system by which the information is preserved but withheld from the public at request? Of course I'm young and stupid and don't know what ramifications that would hold.

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;42672718]EDIT: Alright Blackbird, since I can't send private messages I'm gonna ask here since I know you're still watching the thread. What's disagreeable about this? I'm legitimately curious and I want to hear your views.[/QUOTE] He just passively rates anything pro-transgender negatively without ever actually stating his opinion nor backing it up with anything solid. (Not that he could actually back it up with anything solid anyways.) [QUOTE=gudman;42673454]Oh my god how many times will we have to go through this so everyone would finally understand to do SOME research before saying stuff on complicated topics...[/QUOTE] It's not even that complicated really. Fairly far outside of most peoples' personal experience yes, but not complicated. [QUOTE=Pelican;42673673]reading comprehension +3[/QUOTE] Are you going to actually argue in a manner that doesn't blatantly ignore what others are saying or are you going to just continue flailing about like a moron?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;42671954]Also the solution to the birth certificate thing would just be to relabel the "sex" (or gender, I'm not sure what B.C. ones say) field as a "sex at birth" field for every birth certificate[/QUOTE] Wait, I'm actually confused now. do you advocate this change - while still arguing that the field be amendable, for 'stealth', etc? If so, the change in the name of the field would make this whole thing even more deceptive.

[QUOTE=nivek;42673670]Sure, but an immature 10 year old isn't going to understand; kinda like how a bunch of young teenagers thing they're depressed for some ridiculous shit.[/QUOTE] Yes they will. Children are not retarded empty shells that can't decide for themselves. [editline]sadk[/editline] Seriously I hope you and the others who feel this way don't ever have kids. I can just imagine you'd call them stupid and wrong when they make a decision for themselves.

literally just opened my browser and i already want to kill myself thanks [editline]28th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SpartanXC9;42673671]But there is a decision to be made. You can feel like the opposite gender but do you want to be seen, recongized and act like the opposite gender?[/QUOTE] choosing to not be recognized as the gender you're fit out to be is living in denial, as he clearly said there

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42673829]Yes they will. Children are not retarded empty shells that can't decide for themselves. [editline]sadk[/editline] Seriously I hope you and the others who feel this way don't ever have kids. I can just imagine you'd call them stupid and wrong when they make a decision for themselves.[/QUOTE] Oh you have kids? Perhaps you'd know that a childs mind changes with whatever direction the wind blows! When a 10 year old makes a serious decision a parent should have that child wait on it a while and mature on that decision before it's finalized. [editline]28th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42673829]Seriously I hope you and the others who feel this way don't ever have kids. [/QUOTE] You trying to judge my ability and moral character as a parent based on one sentence is just as worthy as me trying to judge you on the very same.

[QUOTE=nivek;42674197]Oh you have kids? Perhaps you'd know that a childs mind changes with whatever direction the wind blows! When a 10 year old makes a serious decision a parent should have that child wait on it a while and mature on that decision before it's finalized.[/QUOTE] You do realize that in order to get diagnosed with GID you need to visit a therapist who will be certain you are before diagnosing you with it, right?

[QUOTE=nivek;42674197]Oh you have kids? Perhaps you'd know that a childs mind changes with whatever direction the wind blows! When a 10 year old makes a serious decision a parent should have that child wait on it a while and mature on that decision before it's finalized.[/QUOTE] You're confusing the kid having an opinion or interest with the self image of the kid. We form a concrete idea of what we are very early on. Things like that don't really change. The joy of being Human huh? All that self awareness stuff we've got going on is pretty cool.

that's some bullshit logic. let's not diagnose this child with a legitimate mental disorder just because they're kids

[QUOTE=nivek;42674197]Oh you have kids? Perhaps you'd know that a childs mind changes with whatever direction the wind blows![/quote] Yeah, sorry, not when crippling depression and self-awareness is involved. And, again, you're generalizing that 10 year olds are retarded or something. Newsflash, you can't generalize children into one category like you can with toddlers. Ever heard of Kim Petras? She's a german pop singer who told her parents she was actually a girl since the age of 2. She had tried to kill herself numerous times. By age 12 she got HRT and she's currently living as a female at the age of 21. Are you saying she was too young to make that decision? [quote]When a 10 year old makes a serious decision a parent should have that child wait on it a while and mature on that decision before it's finalized.[/quote] Yes, they should, but they shouldn't say they are wrong and can't decide for themselves. [quote][editline]28th October 2013[/editline] You trying to judge my ability and moral character as a parent based on one sentence is just as worthy as me trying to judge you on the very same.[/QUOTE] You've given plenty enough to be judged.

[QUOTE=nivek;42674197]Oh you have kids? Perhaps you'd know that a childs mind changes with whatever direction the wind blows! When a 10 year old makes a serious decision a parent should have that child wait on it a while and mature on that decision before it's finalized. [editline]28th October 2013[/editline] You trying to judge my ability and moral character as a parent based on one sentence is just as worthy as me trying to judge you on the very same.[/QUOTE] Read the wiki articles on transgenderism and gender identity then come back tia

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42674300] You've given plenty enough to be judged.[/QUOTE] Yup! I just won't have kids cause a faggot pussydick online said I can't Inbefore ban cause the fat tranny reported me. Place your boxes here please [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting" - Megafan))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=nivek;42674521]Yup! I just won't have kids cause a faggot pussydick online said I can't Inbefore ban cause the fat tranny reported me. Place your boxes here please[/QUOTE] The shitpost is strong with this one.

[QUOTE=nivek;42674521]Yup! I just won't have kids cause a faggot pussydick online said I can't Inbefore ban cause the fat tranny reported me. Place your boxes here please[/QUOTE] You're only further proving my point. Do everyone a favor and take a hammer to your balls please.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42674538]You're only further proving my point.[/QUOTE] ok

Ignoring Facepunch's transphobia and massive hypocrisy when dealing with such cases, I do have an issue with the subject matter in the OP. Do children really develop a definite gender identity before they've even hit puberty or formed a more complete sense of identity? As someone who studies developmental behavioral science, it seems way too premature. Mid to late teens would make more sense.

[QUOTE=archangel125;42674561]Ignoring Facepunch's transphobia and massive hypocrisy when dealing with such cases, I do have an issue with the subject matter in the OP. Do children really develop a definite gender identity before they've even hit puberty or formed a more complete sense of identity? As someone who studies developmental behavioral science, it seems way too premature. Mid to late teens would make more sense.[/QUOTE] How about you just look it up on wikipedia and see the reasearch studies that point out that children as young as 3 years old develope a sense of gender. Everyone is getting confused with gender=sexuality or something.

[QUOTE=archangel125;42674561]Ignoring Facepunch's transphobia and massive hypocrisy when dealing with such cases, I do have an issue with the subject matter in the OP. Do children really develop a definite gender identity before they've even hit puberty or formed a more complete sense of identity? As someone who studies developmental behavioral science, it seems way too premature. Mid to late teens would make more sense.[/QUOTE] Did it take you until you were in your mid teens before you realized that you were, in fact, a boy?

Not at all. My reasoning is that until puberty most people don't have a complete awareness of how who they are relates to the rest of the world. And one's identity is only fully formed when one can pull back and perceive more than themselves.

[QUOTE=archangel125;42674832]Not at all. My reasoning is that until puberty most people don't have a complete awareness of how who they are relates to the rest of the world. And one's identity is only fully formed when one can pull back and perceive more than themselves.[/QUOTE] You can develop a sense of gender identity as young as 2-3 years.

[quote]If the Vital Statistics Agency, which issues birth certificates in B.C., denies the request, the family plans to file a human rights complaint, said barbara findlay, the Cunninghams’ lawyer.[/quote] How would this be a violation of human rights?

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;42674913]How would this be a violation of human rights?[/QUOTE] [quote=Universal Declaration of Human Righs, Article 5.]No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.[/quote] It easily goes under degrading treatment for the government to force you to be regarded as a gender different from the one you really are.

[QUOTE=LarparNar;42675007]It easily goes under degrading treatment for the government to force you to be regarded as a gender different from the one you really are.[/QUOTE] I see now.

These threads are the newest incarnation of the idiot cull

These threads are just bait. Don't bite it plz.

[QUOTE=Squidman;42675195]These threads are the newest incarnation of the idiot cull[/QUOTE] I wish. People like wingz getting the banhammer would be a massive service to the forum.

Dude, how can a kid make a decision about whether they're hungry or not? They don't even know what a digestive system [I]is![/I]