B.C. transgender girl, 10, makes formal request to have gender removed from her birth certificate - Polidicks

[QUOTE=codemaster85;42671834]Lol says the psychopath that personally traced a transgender girl here who was in the closet and told all of her friends, just because she was trans.[/QUOTE] Don't forget the part where after he got perma'd by craptasket for being a mega creep, he went AWOL and had a breakdown in front of his parents cuz he got perma'd from FP and his parents grounded him from his PC. Also fun fact he wants to rape inflatable pool toys and has a shark pool toy that he humps.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;42671834]Lol says the psychopath that personally traced a transgender girl here who was in the closet and told all of her friends, just because she was trans.[/QUOTE] Damn dude, some facepunchers are real cunts.

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;42676355]Damn dude, some facepunchers are real cunts.[/QUOTE] A good chunk of them dedicate their lives to attacking other users. It keeps things interesting.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42676447]A good chunk of them dedicate their lives to attacking other users. It keeps things interesting.[/QUOTE] people being wankers only keeps things interesting for themselves

....the birth cirtificate's m/f is not disadvantaging anybody....one just assumes that since the baby has a penis it would identify as a boy until such time that it can comunicate otherwise...... [editline]28th October 2013[/editline] also those are for record purposes, people aren't going to look at you, go look up your birth certificate, then go back and point and laugh at you...... [editline]28th October 2013[/editline] you should be allowed to remove it from your IDs, but cmon removing it from a birth certificate is just defeating the purpose of the document

the only thing that should be on a birth certificate is your physical sex, at birth. gender shouldn't play any part because for all intents and purposes nobody knows the supposed gender identity of the child [editline]28th October 2013[/editline] it's also irrelevant. there's no purpose in gender being on the birth certificate

[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;42676085]Don't forget the part where after he got perma'd by craptasket for being a mega creep, he went AWOL and had a breakdown in front of his parents cuz he got perma'd from FP and his parents grounded him from his PC. Also fun fact he wants to rape inflatable pool toys and has a shark pool toy that he humps.[/QUOTE] He also has several alts, one of which is red scout? He made an ass of himself in the lmao pics thread a couple of times. :v: He's only a prick to trans people because his sibling is trans and he can't handle it.

Kids this young should not be able to make these kind of choices, I mean damn [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Didn't read the OP" - Megafan))[/highlight] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Alt of previously permabanned user" - Megafan))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Native Hunter;42676674]Kids this young should not be able to make these kind of choices, I mean damn[/QUOTE] do you mean the request this girl put in to have her birth sex removed from her birth certificate, or transgenderism? because for the first one, there is a LOT of nuance involved as to why a transgender person would want to do so, and for the second one, transgenderism is not a choice.

[QUOTE=Native Hunter;42676674]Kids this young should not be able to make these kind of choices, I mean damn[/QUOTE] people shouldn't be allowed to post without reading the thread, i mean damn

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42676513]the only thing that should be on a birth certificate is your physical sex, at birth. gender shouldn't play any part because for all intents and purposes nobody knows the supposed gender identity of the child [editline]28th October 2013[/editline] it's also irrelevant. there's no purpose in gender being on the birth certificate[/QUOTE] It should be irrelevant but just look at Paige's post a page or two back, because of the state she was born in it means certain things simply cannot happen for her at the time being. [QUOTE=Native Hunter;42676674]Kids this young should not be able to make these kind of choices, I mean damn[/QUOTE] Do try to keep up on threads before posting on them please. This has been addressed several times in this thread alone. And seems to get addressed about a dozen times in every single transgender news article involving children. Children form their gender identity between the ages of 3 and 5. Period. End of story. There is no arguing that they're too young because it is a proven fact.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;42676796]It should be irrelevant but just look at Paige's post a page or two back, because of the state she was born in it means certain things simply cannot happen for her at the time being. Do try to keep up on threads before posting on them please. This has been addressed several times in this thread alone. And seems to get addressed about a dozen times in every single transgender news article involving children. Children form their gender identity between the ages of 3 and 5. Period. End of story. There is no arguing that they're too young because it is a proven fact.[/QUOTE] those ties should then be cut. your birth certificate should not be a tool for future use, there should be a seperate 'current status' document that doesn't utilise what you were many many years ago. but instead, what you [I]are.[/I] [editline]28th October 2013[/editline] but yes, full power to you if your state/country does have laws like that in effect. until that's changed, there's not much else you can do to get equal and proper treatment i guess.

actually yeah having a separate, publically available form for social identification showing a person's gender identity and current legal name would be pretty great the reason i make the distinction of that hypothetical form being publically available is that people may wish to opt out in making their birth certificate public (to avoid discrimination, maybe). the birth certificate could also have the birth name of a person even if they change their name legally, but i recognize that's a bit of a touchy issue for some people, so maybe not

Sex should be on your birth certificate for medical reasons and such, aswell as genre which should be as easy to change as going to your local courthouse and saying "I have gender Dysphoria as proven by these papers from my doctor and therapist, please change my gender on my birth certificate" This of course also implies that things like IDs and Marriage should also work off gender than born sex. Frankly it's idiotic that they don't.

thing is, a birth certificate is supposed to represent known [I]facts[/I] at birth. nobody knows what gender you identified at when you were a day old, but they certainly do know what sex you were. [editline]28th October 2013[/editline] a seperate document for current status, rather than mixing it all on to a birth certificate would be better. it doesn't make much sense otherwise

Fair enough.

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;42673626]How is me saying to wait until a 10 year old kid has matured for them to make a big decision dumb?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=archangel125;42674561]Ignoring Facepunch's transphobia and massive hypocrisy when dealing with such cases, I do have an issue with the subject matter in the OP. Do children really develop a definite gender identity before they've even hit puberty or formed a more complete sense of identity? As someone who studies developmental behavioral science, it seems way too premature. Mid to late teens would make more sense.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Native Hunter;42676674]Kids this young should not be able to make these kind of choices, I mean damn[/QUOTE] It's on the freaking first page holy shit. [QUOTE=deadoon;42671860]This is really getting stupid, this argument has occurred more than a few times before it is wrong at it's basis. [QUOTE=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity]Gender identity is usually formed by age three and is extremely difficult to change after that.[[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity#cite_note-EBO_gender_identity-2"]2[/URL]][[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity#cite_note-Kalbfleisch_and_Cody-3"]3[/URL]][[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity#cite_note-Gallagher-4"]4[/URL]][[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity#cite_note-5"]5[/URL]] The formation also commonly concludes between the ages of four and six.[[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity#cite_note-6"]6[/URL]][/QUOTE] Seriously, you are saying nothing that hasn't been argued several times before, if you want to confirm further, each of those numbers is also a source.[/QUOTE] Also waiting until they are in their teens decreases the likely hood of looking their preferred gender, due to they will go through their sex's puberty thus changing their body shape.

Birth certificate has nothing to do with perceived gender. The M or F is simply sex. Besides, is 10 not a little early to start life changing procedures? There's plenty of people who are tomboys / tomgirls during their early years that, low and behold; don't have gender dysphoria.

[QUOTE=Flapadar;42678920]Birth certificate has nothing to do with perceived gender. The M or F is simply sex. Besides, is 10 not a little early to start life changing procedures? There's plenty of people who are tomboys / tomgirls during their early years that, low and behold; don't have gender dysphoria.[/QUOTE] Tomboys generally don't believe themselves to actually be male.

[QUOTE=Flapadar;42678920]Besides, is 10 not a little early to start life changing procedures?[/QUOTE] Maybe if there were life threatening procedures happening this would be relevant. Except it's a piece of paper having some words removed. [QUOTE]There's plenty of people who are tomboys / tomgirls during their early years that, low and behold; don't have gender dysphoria.[/QUOTE] Not even remotely the same thing. You can be both of those and not have gender dysphoria, same way a guy can play with a doll once and that doesn't instantly make him gender dysphoric.

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42677314]a seperate document for current status, rather than mixing it all on to a birth certificate would be better. it doesn't make much sense otherwise[/QUOTE] This sounds like a really good idea.

[QUOTE=nivek;42673352]There's no such thing as transgender. [/QUOTE] pretty sure there is theres like years of studies and research into it pretty sure its a thing

[QUOTE=thisispain;42680911]pretty sure there is theres like years of studies and research into it pretty sure its a thing[/QUOTE] pretty sure that's all a big joke and you're not in on it

exactly what use is a birth certificate anyway aside from proof that someone exists how useful is presently incorrect information about a person, even if it was 'correct' at the time of birth? 'oh, he was born a male, that really helps us find and identify that person who identifies as a female and has female on their driver's license and records and has a female name' birth certificates are proof that a person was born and does in fact exist, other than that it's for identification verification purposes, and it can cause problems if a person who identifies as a female is designated as a male in their birth certificate. as far as factual correctness goes, i'd imagine that up-to-date info is more valuable than old, invalid info. so i'd support her changing the data on the birth certificate. just not removing it entirely. you also have to consider that the state [I]should[/I] recognize a transgendered person as the gender they identify as, but if they go off of birth certificates, then fuck all.

Why is there so much transgender-thread spam here lately?

[QUOTE=joes33431;42681031]exactly what use is a birth certificate anyway aside from proof that someone exists[/QUOTE] not knowing the reasons behind something is not an excuse to disregard it entirely. there are medical reasons, as well as specific traits that are exclusive to males/females. it also alleviates the need to know the cause for some diseases by pulling up a document rather than testing someone for their sex, especially if they underwent surgery.

[QUOTE=WhiskeyTangoF;42671763]I have nothing against transgender people, [b]but isn't age 10 a bit young for a kid to make that kind of decision?[/b] They haven't even hit puberty at that point.[/QUOTE] no. did you know that you were a boy when you were ten years old? did you know that you were a boy when your balls dropped? did you know you were a boy after you passed puberty? chances are yes. not everyone's like you., though. there have been a lot of studies on this kind of stuff that show that transgender dudes and dudettes are aware of their gender identity younger than you'd expect.

[QUOTE=Amish Steak;42681134]Why is there so much transgender-thread spam here lately?[/QUOTE] A hot topic and everybody wants to be the one to stir up a debate. Especially larger news companies and SH regulars.

[QUOTE=Amish Steak;42681134]Why is there so much transgender-thread spam here lately?[/QUOTE] Yeah, seriously. I need to try a drinking game next time I see a transgender related topic.

Change it to.. Gender at birth Everyone happy?