Seattle bus ads protesting US aid to Israel draw ire of Anti-Defamation League - Polidicks

[QUOTE=jjsullivan;26861494]What is this Anti-Defamation league anyway? It seems like they just popped out of the blue and are as bad as PETA.[/QUOTE] They go after racism against the Jewish community. Lately, they yell at people who don't agree with what Israel are doing.

[QUOTE=Swilly;26861510]They go after racism against the Jewish community. Lately, they yell at people who don't agree with what Israel are doing.[/QUOTE] [/confirmed]

[QUOTE=bugfix;26851651]Stop right there.[/QUOTE] Quickly, misinterpret my words and forget that holocaust is synonymous with 'destruction', but yes, whatever you desire. [editline]21st December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Sporkfire;26857553]Aren't you like Muslim too? I'm not a supporter of Israel, but I find that disturbing. Not to mention you made posts about how Israel should be destroyed before.[/QUOTE] No, I'm not. Nice assumption, though. Holocaust = Destruction. Just because I used it in a thread about jews does not mean I used it in a literal sense. And I made one post saying that.

[QUOTE=RayDark;26861714]Quickly, misinterpret my words and forget that holocaust is synonymous with 'destruction', but yes, whatever you desire. [editline]21st December 2010[/editline] No, I'm not. Nice assumption, though. Holocaust = Destruction. Just because I used it in a thread about jews does not mean I used it in a literal sense. And I made one post saying that.[/QUOTE] when you use the term 'holocaust' in a thread relating to judaism, when there are a tonne of other words you could use, you should expect people to take it the wrong way.

[QUOTE=RayDark;26861714]Quickly, misinterpret my words and forget that holocaust is synonymous with 'destruction', but yes, whatever you desire. [editline]21st December 2010[/editline] No, I'm not. Nice assumption, though. Holocaust = Destruction. Just because I used it in a thread about jews does not mean I used it in a literal sense. And I made one post saying that.[/QUOTE] Well it should be expected that I would make such an "assumption" after you said Israel should be destroyed (Doesn't matter how many times you've said it, it goes with in conjunction with what you just said. You sound like some sort of a Jihadist when you talk like that. Fyi, its synonymous with a great loss of life. [quote]hol·o·caust (hl-kôst, hl-) n. [b]1. Great destruction resulting in the extensive loss of life, especially by fire.[/b] 2. a. Holocaust The genocide of European Jews and others by the Nazis during World War II: "Israel emerged from the Holocaust and is defined in relation to that catastrophe" (Emanuel Litvinoff). b. A massive slaughter: "an important document in the so-far sketchy annals of the Cambodian holocaust" (Rod Nordland).[/quote]

you lost me after the word draw

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;26859664]Yeah, the society is fucked, but there are next to no government-sanctioned racism.[/QUOTE] Do you really not believe that the oppression of the Palestinians doesn't stem, at least somewhat, from an undercurrent of racism that extends into your government?

the ADL is a shill for Israel?!?!?!?!?! what teh heckzors!!!!!!!!

If anyone cares "Defamation" is a good documentary about the ADL. I think it's even BurnemDown approved.

Obvious stupidity is obvious. All arabs do is bomb israel. All israel does is try to protect itself. I don't agree with a lot of shit israel does. Frankly its government is crap and they have made a lot of wrong moves, but they have every right to blockade whatever they want to stop 20+ missiles a day from blowing up their new jersey sized country. Stop fucking whining about palestinian rights. They have much more of the country then they have any right to expect and the only ones who get shit are terrorist groups like hamas.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;26861821]when you use the term 'holocaust' in a thread relating to judaism, when there are a tonne of other words you could use, you should expect people to take it the wrong way.[/QUOTE] Keep in mind this is the guy who said he would "gladly wear a swastika if people didn't get so pissy about it"

[QUOTE=Col8bit;26863701]Obvious stupidity is obvious. All arabs do is bomb israel. All israel does is try to protect itself. I don't agree with a lot of shit israel does. Frankly its government is crap and they have made a lot of wrong moves, but they have every right to blockade whatever they want to stop 20+ missiles a day from blowing up their new jersey sized country. Stop fucking whining about palestinian rights. They have much more of the country then they have any right to expect and the only ones who get shit are terrorist groups like hamas.[/QUOTE] What about Israel bulldozing the houses of innocent civilians? Hamas formed because of those very actions, the people were sick and tired of Israel's oppression and Hamas vowed to protect them.

the ADL is literally jew propaganda, they're absolutely useless, and whine about everything that doesnt agree with a pro-israel viewpoint.

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;26859446]This is still defamation in my eyes. It portrays the Israelis as if all they do is bomb Palestinian civilians.[/QUOTE] You're right. They should also put pictures of happy families at barmitzvahs next to the picture of the destroyed buildings.

[QUOTE=Swilly;26861437]Giant fucking walls that do nothing but push people out of a country? And Look a Gaza and say that straight at my face again. They blockade it for attacks that never happen! They block anything that would give them an infrastructure.[/QUOTE] Gaza doesn't even have a fucking wall, it's a fence, and countries are allowed to do that. Is it wrong of the US to deny the Mexican's entrance into its borders? No, the US is a sovereign country, as is Israel, and sovereign countries are allowed to decide who goes into their borders and who doesn't. Keep in mind that until 2006 when the fence was reinforced heavily, Hamas sent people out of Gaza into Israel to bomb the shit out of it. The fences are a protection method against these infiltrators and terrorists. The blockade is in place to keep Hamas from getting much better weapons, so yeah, it's for attacks that never happen, because as long as the blockade is in place, they'll never happen. [editline]22nd December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;26862364]Do you really not believe that the oppression of the Palestinians doesn't stem, at least somewhat, from an undercurrent of racism that extends into your government?[/QUOTE] If what you're saying is that there are racists in the government, and because of them there's oppression, then no, even without them there will be all those minor laws that give extra rights to Jews or prohibit the Arabs in some way, but as long as these laws have a good reason, like how the law of return is in place to make sure that every Jew in the world has a "safe haven" in times of trouble, they are not "evil" or "bad" or whatever you may call them. And obviously even if these laws were gone and there were no racists in the government at all, a good part of the society would still be racist towards Arabs, there's simply no way to correct it, other than peace that would last for more than a generation.

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I don't want Israel in my Eurovision Song Contest. It's not European and nobody likes them. Go away Israel! [editline]22nd December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Pace.;26872938][img_thumb]http://i53.tinypic.com/2vjospv.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Poor pakisraelic child.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;26872201]even without them there will be all those minor laws that give extra rights to Jews or prohibit the Arabs in some way, but as long as these laws have a good reason...[/QUOTE] Racist laws never have good reason.

[QUOTE=bugfix;26850795]Israel is full of evil nazis etc.[/QUOTE] so the place where jews came from is now fueling the guy that killed about 2/3rds of jews over the last century

[QUOTE=Zeke129;26873140]Racist laws never have good reason.[/QUOTE] How about the law that guarantees a minimum number of Arab students in Israeli universities? We must end this rampant racism!

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;26886482]How about the law that guarantees a minimum number of Arab students in Israeli universities? We must end this rampant racism![/QUOTE] That's not really an answer.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;26886482]How about the law that guarantees a minimum number of Arab students in Israeli universities? We must end this rampant racism![/QUOTE] well that law does seem a bit unfair, if the Arab student is a citizen as much as the Israeli, surely they should have the same chance.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;26872201]Gaza doesn't even have a fucking wall, it's a fence, and countries are allowed to do that. Is it wrong of the US to deny the Mexican's entrance into its borders? No, the US is a sovereign country, as is Israel, and sovereign countries are allowed to decide who goes into their borders and who doesn't. Keep in mind that until 2006 when the fence was reinforced heavily, Hamas sent people out of Gaza into Israel to bomb the shit out of it. The fences are a protection method against these infiltrators and terrorists. The blockade is in place to keep Hamas from getting much better weapons, so yeah, it's for attacks that never happen, because as long as the blockade is in place, they'll never happen. [editline]22nd December 2010[/editline] If what you're saying is that there are racists in the government, and because of them there's oppression, then no, even without them there will be all those minor laws that give extra rights to Jews or prohibit the Arabs in some way, but as long as these laws have a good reason, like how the law of return is in place to make sure that every Jew in the world has a "safe haven" in times of trouble, they are not "evil" or "bad" or whatever you may call them. And obviously even if these laws were gone and there were no racists in the government at all, a good part of the society would still be racist towards Arabs, there's simply no way to correct it, other than peace that would last for more than a generation.[/QUOTE] For someone to actually believe this propaganda, they would have to have a mental disorder.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;26886715]well that law does seem a bit unfair, if the Arab student is a citizen as much as the Israeli, surely they should have the same chance.[/QUOTE] No actually they shouldn't. Affirmative action has to be used if they don't want to end up with a totally uneducated minority and have the class division along racial lines.

Both sides are shit, however I would rather side with Israel then Hamas.

There's this concept that I don't know the English name for, but basically, when a certain group has a disadvantage over another, and even though both groups have the same rights and freedoms, there isn't going to be equality, then some laws can be created to allow the "weaker" group to get back on track. The most basic laws for that, that I can think of, are laws helping handicapped people. There are 3 subgroups to such laws if I'm not mistaken. The rules helping handicapped, disabled, and any other form of physical or mental sickness, are like the "best form" of this concept, since they only apply to the people who suffer from those disadvantages, and there's no risk of these laws helping people who don't need help. There are also laws that help people based on gender, sexuality and race (or if you don't like the word race, you could say ethnic background or whatever). In Israel for example, it's been decided that all government commissions must have at least one woman in them, to make sure women aren't being oppressed. Once women will be totally equal to men (and I think it's pretty close in the future, but you really can't say they already are), this law will be removed, since it's no longer required and will help a group that doesn't need help. Then there's the rule I mentioned above about Arabs in Israeli universities, this rule was put in place because in the first few years of Israel's existence, nearly all students were Jewish, and the government didn't want to have too much disparity between the two groups, so they made this law and the number of Arab students grew. Israel is basically this concept regarding helping Jews get what almost all other nations got: their own state. There are a few laws which give extra help for Jews to ensure this state remains Jewish, to ensure that the disadvantage the Jews had for 2000 years won't come back. Obviously it seems like in today's world, there isn't need for such a state, since antisemitism is almost gone from the Western world (and exists in the Muslim world mainly due to hate towards Israel), but that's not how it was in 1948, the memory of the holocaust was fresh in every Jew's memory, the holocaust basically ensured the Jews got their state rather early (the British said in the 20's that maybe 50 years later they could start giving the Jews greater autonomy, it happened less than 30 years later). So now we have these laws like the law of return to make sure that even if Jews are suffering from antisemitism, anywhere in the world, they can come to Israel and get citizenship easily if they can prove that they're Jewish, or laws that encourage the Jewish identity in all Jewish Israelis, like how all Israeli TV networks must broadcast in Hebrew at least a certain % of the time, but don't worry, it's not like China. Movie channels for example that only show movies are required to have like one Israeli movie a week, it's only minor things like that. So in short, it may be racist if you think with simplicity, but if you think about the whole subject thoroughly, you'll see that it's not. (Although there are still more than a few laws I disapprove of, like how Arabs don't get enough funding, etc.)

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;26899107]There's this concept that I don't know the English name for, but basically, when a certain group has a disadvantage over another, and even though both groups have the same rights and freedoms, there isn't going to be equality, then some laws can be created to allow the "weaker" group to get back on track. The most basic laws for that, that I can think of, are laws helping handicapped people. There are 3 subgroups to such laws if I'm not mistaken. The rules helping handicapped, disabled, and any other form of physical or mental sickness, are like the "best form" of this concept, since they only apply to the people who suffer from those disadvantages, and there's no risk of these laws helping people who don't need help. There are also laws that help people based on gender, sexuality and race (or if you don't like the word race, you could say ethnic background or whatever). In Israel for example, it's been decided that all government commissions must have at least one woman in them, to make sure women aren't being oppressed. Once women will be totally equal to men (and I think it's pretty close in the future, but you really can't say they already are), this law will be removed, since it's no longer required and will help a group that doesn't need help. Then there's the rule I mentioned above about Arabs in Israeli universities, this rule was put in place because in the first few years of Israel's existence, nearly all students were Jewish, and the government didn't want to have too much disparity between the two groups, so they made this law and the number of Arab students grew. Israel is basically this concept regarding helping Jews get what almost all other nations got: their own state. There are a few laws which give extra help for Jews to ensure this state remains Jewish, to ensure that the disadvantage the Jews had for 2000 years won't come back. Obviously it seems like in today's world, there isn't need for such a state, since antisemitism is almost gone from the Western world (and exists in the Muslim world mainly due to hate towards Israel), but that's not how it was in 1948, the memory of the holocaust was fresh in every Jew's memory, the holocaust basically ensured the Jews got their state rather early (the British said in the 20's that maybe 50 years later they could start giving the Jews greater autonomy, it happened less than 30 years later). So now we have these laws like the law of return to make sure that even if Jews are suffering from antisemitism, anywhere in the world, they can come to Israel and get citizenship easily if they can prove that they're Jewish, or laws that encourage the Jewish identity in all Jewish Israelis, like how all Israeli TV networks must broadcast in Hebrew at least a certain % of the time, but don't worry, it's not like China. Movie channels for example that only show movies are required to have like one Israeli movie a week, it's only minor things like that. So in short, it may be racist if you think with simplicity, but if you think about the whole subject thoroughly, you'll see that it's not. (Although there are still more than a few laws I disapprove of, like how Arabs don't get enough funding, etc.)[/QUOTE] tl;dr israel has laws protecting jews above other groups because they deserve their own state because fuck you i'm israeli

[QUOTE=Prismatex;26900114]tl;dr israel has laws protecting jews above other groups because they deserve their own state because fuck you i'm israeli[/QUOTE] Or in other words: "lol I don't care about your argument, you are stupid loooooool".

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;26899107]There's this concept that I don't know the English name for, but basically, when a certain group has a disadvantage over another, and even though both groups have the same rights and freedoms, there isn't going to be equality, then some laws can be created to allow the "weaker" group to get back on track. The most basic laws for that, that I can think of, are laws helping handicapped people. There are 3 subgroups to such laws if I'm not mistaken. The rules helping handicapped, disabled, and any other form of physical or mental sickness, are like the "best form" of this concept, since they only apply to the people who suffer from those disadvantages, and there's no risk of these laws helping people who don't need help. There are also laws that help people based on gender, sexuality and race (or if you don't like the word race, you could say ethnic background or whatever).[/QUOTE] I don't think there's a word for it in English but sociologists call it "systemic solutions to systemic inequalities." [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;26899107]Israel is basically this concept regarding helping Jews get what almost all other nations got: their own state. There are a few laws which give extra help for Jews to ensure this state remains Jewish, to ensure that the disadvantage the Jews had for 2000 years won't come back.[/QUOTE] Here's the problem with this idea, though--look at England. You could say it's the state for people of Anglo ethnicity, and Anglos are certainly safe from persecution there. But the only people who want to describe it as a "British state" to the point where it prioritizes Anglos over other ethnicities are far-right racists like the BNP. I can certainly see why people saw the need for a Jewish sanctuary state in the first half of the 20th century, but what about Armenians, Tutsis, Roma, other victims of genocide and oppression? They don't get countries. The idea of a "Jewish state" is, like a "White state" or "Black state," fundamentally incompatible with democracy. Now, I don't really have a problem with the Law of Return, or with Israel basing its laws and customs on its cultural and religious heritage, as most countries do, but the phrase "Jewish state" is too far.No other first-world democracy has such a racially-oriented society, and it's harmful to Jewish Israelis as much as Arabs imo.

[QUOTE=RayDark;26861714]Quickly, misinterpret my words and forget that holocaust is synonymous with 'destruction', but yes, whatever you desire. [editline]21st December 2010[/editline] No, I'm not. Nice assumption, though. Holocaust = Destruction. Just because I used it in a thread about jews does not mean I used it in a literal sense. And I made one post saying that.[/QUOTE] Yes, we should take all these Jews, put them into prison camps, gas the women and children, and make the men work until they die of starvation. Metaphorically speaking, of course.