[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;26068077]Higher taxes on large businesses is what people want, it's to put relief on the "little man" and help the country. You can't just tax people that can't even afford it, the Romans did that, didn't work very well. America does it too, and it ain't working.[/QUOTE]
You can just reply to Jenkem's posts by putting your finger over your lips, moving it swiftly up and down, and making an "errr" sound
If done correctly it will sound like "ebrbrbrbrrbrbrbrbrbrbr"
[QUOTE=Tigster;26066323]You're right. let's take all the money you ever pay in social security taxes in every single paycheck from your first job until the day you retire, and take it away from you. Who cares if you are entitled to that money, considering, well, it's YOURS because you pay for it. Screw it. Drop it, it's socialist for you to have a piggy bank for retirement.[/QUOTE]
Except that isn't how it works.
The money you pay in goes to Generation X. The money you get is from the active working population when you've retired.
[editline]14th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;26069162]That's why you prevent them from doing so, durr.[/QUOTE]
The government cannot force businesses to NOT lay people off.
[QUOTE=Ridge;26070545]
The government cannot force businesses to NOT lay people off.[/QUOTE]
They can stop them from getting jobs outside the country.
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;26070586]They can stop them from getting jobs outside the country.[/QUOTE]
yea but thats when businesses start to use automation instead of workers because it saves even more
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26070638]yea but thats when businesses start to use automation instead of workers because it saves even more[/QUOTE]
Machines can't do everything workers can do.
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;26070586]They can stop them from getting jobs outside the country.[/QUOTE]
Then the business just reincorporates in another country like Canada, Mexico or India...
But I have honestly thought the best way to bring jobs back home is to place tariffs on products coming from businesses with the majority of their employment being overseas...
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;26070649]Machines can't do everything workers can do.[/QUOTE]
Rith now they cant, but they can do practically all the production industry and are taking over DVD stores and restaurants which is a lot of jobs
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;26070649]Machines can't do everything workers can do.[/QUOTE]
They can do even more, faster and with high efficiency.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;26067985]I think you're hilarious.
High taxes on businesses will [I]not[/I] help the little man. They never have, they don't, and they [I]never will[/I]. Anyone with half a brain and a very simple understanding of economics should know that, but apparently you never took a class on that. Or didn't pay attention.
Poor people never gave anyone a job, first of all. As much as you're not going to like me saying this, the rich and poor are inseparable. You bring the rich down, and everyone will be miserable in the end.
But your sort wanted that, didn't they?
Don't get me started on the health care, either.[/QUOTE]I'm honestly surprised people still believe supply-side economics works.
Well, is there any reason to believe it doesn't when the government doesn't overstep?
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;26073672]I'm honestly surprised people still believe supply-side economics works.[/QUOTE]
only conservatives do. which tells you something right away.
I really cannot see how someone could possibly still believe in reaganomics, etc. does the past mean nothing to them? no economic class ever taken?
I thought 'Star Tek' on the list said 'Star Trek'.
[QUOTE=Leon Trotsky;26079300]only conservatives do. which tells you something right away.
I really cannot see how someone could possibly still believe in reaganomics, etc. does the past mean nothing to them? no economic class ever taken?[/QUOTE]
Hmm. If you want it to hurt, you have to be accurate. When Reagan was president the Democrats had control of the House, And the US House is the ones who proposes all the spending bills last I knew.
You may want to read this bit about the House of Representatives: [url]http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A1Sec2[/url]
[QUOTE=Glaber;26068958]And then what do those large businesses do? When faced with Higher taxes/costs, they Outsource to another country, lay off people in the country or state where it costs more to do businesses, and raise prices. This all doesn't help the "little man" nor the Country at all.[/QUOTE]
They don't outsource because they have less money. Outsourcing is cheaper and more efficient overall. They are going to outsource regardless of how much money they pay in taxes. The only way to stop outsourcing is with tariffs, not tax cuts.
Did i see Star Trek in there?
[QUOTE=Glaber;26081238]Hmm. If you want it to hurt, you have to be accurate. When Reagan was president the Democrats had control of the House, And the US House is the ones who proposes all the spending bills last I knew.[/QUOTE]
lol this is historical revisionism. "Reagan didn't get to do anything. He had no impact on the country at all because there were democrats in the House."
No, we tried Reaganomics. Unemployment rose under him [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Us_unemployment_rates_1950_2005.png]source[/url], and the national deficit rose under him [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Federal_Debt_as_Percent_of_GDP_by_President.jpg]source[/url]. Stop advocating a policy that we know doesn't goddamn work.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;26081368]They don't outsource because they have less money. [B]Outsourcing is cheaper and more efficient overall.[/B] They are going to outsource regardless of how much money they pay in taxes. The only way to stop outsourcing is with tariffs, not tax cuts.[/QUOTE]
That's also why they layoff people in the country where it's more expensive to do business. It's called "Moving Business Overseas".
When a Business is faced with higher costs for the coming quarter, they tend to do what costs less, even if that means people losing their jobs.
[QUOTE=Glaber;26081471]
When a Business is faced with higher costs for the coming quarter, they tend to do what costs less,[/QUOTE]
Companies will always do that. They will always do what costs less unless there is something prohibiting them from doing it. Now read this post:
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;26081414]
No, we tried Reaganomics. Unemployment rose under him [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Us_unemployment_rates_1950_2005.png]source[/url], and the national deficit rose under him [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Federal_Debt_as_Percent_of_GDP_by_President.jpg]source[/url]. Stop advocating a policy that we know doesn't goddamn work.[/QUOTE]
If your fiscal policies worked, then that wouldn't have happened. But it did.
[QUOTE=Glaber;26081569]Read this: [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan#.22Reaganomics.22_and_the_economy[/URL][/QUOTE]
that doesn't counter my argument at all. The point is, his policies made it slightly better for middle-class americans, while totally screwing over the lower classes. And his policies wouldn't be sustainable in the long run because of the national deficit that he racked up over his two terms. I'm not going to argue with you if you don't try to understand the arguments I'm making and just point to random facts in lieu of making an actual counter-argument.
So what do you suppose will get the economy running again? higher taxes? Like that will work.
The deficit may have gone up, but the unemployment rate went down.
All the people who are saying "High taxes don't work" check out western europe.
Are you really sure you want us to look there? Riots over the raising costs of tuition and the later Retirement age (I even Saw the Anarchy Symbol while watching BBC News on PBS). The thing Grease went through.
Europe is not something we should be emulating right now.
[QUOTE=Glaber;26083294]Are you really sure you want us to look there? Riots over the raising costs of tuition and the later Retirement age (I even Saw the Anarchy Symbol while watching BBC News on PBS).[/QUOTE]
That's France. That's one country. One country isn't all of Europe
[quote=Glaber]So what do you suppose will get the economy running again? higher taxes? Like that will work.
The deficit may have gone up, but the unemployment rate went down. [/quote]
No, it didn't. The unemployment rate went up under Reagan too. I posted that in the post you were responding to. The link you posted just showed that it dipped momentarily at the beginning of his term.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;26081414]
No, we tried Reaganomics. [B]Unemployment rose under him [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Us_unemployment_rates_1950_2005.png"]source[/URL],[/B] and the national deficit rose under him [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Federal_Debt_as_Percent_of_GDP_by_President.jpg"]source[/URL]. Stop advocating a policy that we know doesn't goddamn work.[/QUOTE]
read man!
[QUOTE=Glaber;26082783]So what do you suppose will get the economy running again? higher taxes? Like that will work.
The deficit may have gone up, but the unemployment rate went down.[/QUOTE]
Lower taxes slightly, lower spending immensely.
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[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;26085400]That's France. That's one country. One country isn't all of Europe.[/QUOTE]
Tuition riots in England just a month or so ago...
Riots in Greece for months this summer...
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;26085400]read man![/QUOTE]
Reread your graph. so far you are only looking as far as Reagan's first 2 years in office. Reagan's presidency was for 2 terms (January 20, 1981 – January 20, 1989), and by the end Unemployment was lower than when he started. You own Graph verifies this.
[QUOTE=Glaber;26082783]So what do you suppose will get the economy running again? higher taxes? Like that will work.
The deficit may have gone up, but the unemployment rate went down.[/QUOTE]
Slapping up lavish tax cuts just solely for the 1% percent that owns practically more than 50% of the nation's wealth won't work either.
[QUOTE=Glaber;26083294]Are you really sure you want us to look there? Riots over the raising costs of tuition and the later Retirement age (I even Saw the Anarchy Symbol while watching BBC News on PBS). The thing Grease went through.
Europe is not something we should be emulating right now.[/QUOTE]
The riots were because the new governments are trying to sway [b]away[/b] from government spending.
Europe is something you should be emulating.
The less government spending part?
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