Canadian government to introduce Bill C-51 amendments during clause-by-clause review this Tuesday - Polidicks

[QUOTE=archangel125;47431606]Then you're an idiot. Government needs taxation to fund infrastructure maintenance and social security, both of which are basic necessities for any society that has a standard of living above third-world levels.[/QUOTE] Did you even read what I posted? [editline]31st March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;47432305]Barbaric cultural practices = Openly practicing Muslims with the gall to exist on the same landmass[/QUOTE] Yeah, or it could be female circumcision, sharia law, honor killings etc. It could mean anything.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47432563]Did you even read what I posted? [editline]31st March 2015[/editline] Yeah, or it could me female circumcision, sharia law, honor killings etc. It could mean anything.[/QUOTE] And libertarianism is a better option how?

[QUOTE=archangel125;47432703]And libertarianism is a better option how?[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.libertarian.ca/platform/[/url]

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47432715][url]https://www.libertarian.ca/platform/[/url][/QUOTE] Speak with your own words instead of throwing biased links. Linking the libertarian party of Canada's website is like arguing that blacks are biologically inferior and linking Stormfront.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47432753]Speak with your own words instead of throwing biased links. Linking the libertarian party of Canada's website is like arguing that blacks are biologically inferior and linking Stormfront.[/QUOTE] Maybe if he actually read each parties platforms before criticizing them he would realize there are better options out there for voting. Once you do read them you realize the libertarian party has the best of both worlds from the the conservatives and liberals and some other nice ideologies mixed. I see them as a more down to earth and common sense.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47432861]Maybe if he actually read each parties platforms before criticizing them he would realize there are better options out there for voting. Once you do read them you realize the libertarian party has the best of both worlds from the the conservatives and liberals and some other nice ideologies mixed. I see them as a more down to earth and common sense.[/QUOTE] "Fuck you, I got mine" ain't so nice when you're already making choices about what night you're gonna go hungry just so you can pay rent, mate

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47432893]"Fuck you, I got mine" ain't so nice when you're already making choices about what night you're gonna go hungry just so you can pay rent, mate[/QUOTE] I don't know what you just said, can you please elaborate?

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47432861]Maybe if he actually read each parties platforms before criticizing them he would realize there are better options out there for voting. Once you do read them you realize the libertarian party has the best of both worlds from the the conservatives and liberals and some other nice ideologies mixed. I see them as a more down to earth and common sense.[/QUOTE] I've read all of the party platforms. And the libertarian party's first four lines made me go "My god, these people are retarded." [quote]The Libertarian Party of Canada stands for free market economic policies, property rights and entrepreneurship. As such, the Libertarian Party would: Reduce federal income taxes to a maximum rate of 15% and increase the personal income tax exemption amount to $17,300 from $11,000 Eliminate all tax credits, and replace them with 4 additional exemptions, valued at $4,000 each (Child, Senior, Disability, Student) End all forms of corporate welfare Audit the Bank of Canada’s effect on inflation and gradually phase out government control over the money supply[/quote] Need I say more? I'm not sure if you've studied basic economics in high school, but there's a reason regulation and taxation are necessary.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47432907]I don't know what you just said, can you please elaborate?[/QUOTE] The libertarian ideology has a huge focus on freedom to act how you want and small government. The problem is, small government means no or very little social support, which means people who make very little money are even worse off. Doesn't help that a lot of libertarians want to get rid of things like minimum wage.

You'd have to be a total fucking idiot to think this is a good idea. [quote]To overcome these issues, the Libertarian Party of Canada would: Repeal the Canada Health Act To ensure that healthcare is a provincial responsibility To allow private alternatives for care and insurance, which will alleviate public wait times and the growing fiscal burden of healthcare. Provinces will be free to choose the system that best fits their needs[/quote] Seriously, fuck these guys. They'd see Canada ruined, turned into a shittier copy of the United States. The only people who think Libertarianism could work are idealistic fools who haven't ever endured financial hardship in their lives (or learned from it), or the filthy rich who don't like paying taxes and are assured in their financial security. It's the one way to ensure your country has hundreds of thousands more people below the poverty line, sick or dying in a matter of years.

[QUOTE=archangel125;47432919]I've read all of the party platforms. And the libertarian party's first four lines made me go "My god, these people are retarded." Need I say more? I'm not sure if you've studied basic economics in high school, but there's a reason regulation and taxation are necessary.[/QUOTE] The problem we have here is that our economy is already over taxed, on top of a weak dollar and high taxes it discourages entrepreneurship and weakens our buying power. On top of that it doesn't matter how much revenue the government is getting, if they can't spend it properly in the right places and bleed cash out the ass. [editline]31st March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Starlight 456;47432924]The libertarian ideology has a huge focus on freedom to act how you want and small government. The problem is, small government means no or very little social support, which means people who make very little money are even worse off. Doesn't help that a lot of libertarians want to get rid of things like minimum wage.[/QUOTE] There are some parts of their polices that I disagree with but for the most part I don't think they're worse off then the liberals or conservatives.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47433015]The problem we have here is that our economy is already over taxed, on top of a weak dollar and high taxes it discourages entrepreneurship and weakens our buying power. On top of that it doesn't matter how much revenue the government is getting, if they can't spend it properly in the right places and bleed cash out the ass.[/QUOTE] And somehow you think deregulation and the dismantling of social security and healthcare will help? Have you [I]seen[/I] how big businesses in the States just crush smaller businesses? How they exploit their workers and basically run the country? Enterpreneurship? Hah. I can't comprehend how you could possibly think the Libertarian party has the right idea. You're pointing out a problem with irresponsible spending, and for a solution you're saying "Let's tear Canada to the ground and hand all the power to megacorporations. That's DEFINITELY better."

[QUOTE=archangel125;47433050]And somehow you think deregulation and the dismantling of social security and healthcare will help? [/QUOTE] I never said that. When it comes to realistic terms you can look at the liberals and NDP and see their track records speak for themselves. Overall the conservatives have put forward many bills that have helped Canadians that the ndp and libs are strongly against for no logical reason.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47433065]I never said that.[/QUOTE] And yet you would rather vote for a party who pledges to do just that in the first few lines of their party platform statement. k.

[QUOTE=archangel125;47433071]And yet you would rather vote for a party who pledges to do just that in the first few lines of their party platform statement. k.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=ultra_bright;47433015] There are some parts of their polices that I disagree with but for the most part I don't think they're worse off then the liberals or conservatives.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47433087][/QUOTE] They're possibly the single worst party in Canadian politics, making even the conservatives look like saints by comparison. They only have one or two good ideas - The decriminalization of prostitution and the legalization of drugs. Everything else is complete idiotic bullshit, designed to help nobody but those with billions of dollars of influence to buy.

[QUOTE=archangel125;47433102]They're possibly the single worst party in Canadian politics, making even the conservatives look like saints by comparison. They only have one or two good ideas - The decriminalization of prostitution and the legalization of drugs. Everything else is complete idiotic bullshit, designed to help nobody but those with billions of dollars of influence to buy.[/QUOTE] [quote=bla bla bla] The Economy: The Libertarian Party of Canada stands for free market economic policies, property rights and entrepreneurship. As such, the Libertarian Party would: Reduce federal income taxes to a maximum rate of 15% and increase the personal income tax exemption amount to $17,300 from $11,000 Eliminate all tax credits, and replace them with 4 additional exemptions, valued at $4,000 each (Child, Senior, Disability, Student) End all forms of corporate welfare Foreign Policy: The Libertarian Party of Canada stands for a foreign policy of honest trade, peace, and diplomacy. As such, the Libertarian Party would: Immediately withdraw Canadian armed forces from international conflicts. The Libertarian party strongly opposes the foreign interventions of the past 13 years Reallocate military resources for the purpose of national defence, and Arctic sovereignty. Restructure the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development in the following way Eliminate all forms of government foreign aid Encourage remittances. Doing so means that aid is voluntarily given and done so without ending up in the hands of corrupt foreign governments. Unilaterally end all tariffs on foreign goods. Gun Ownership: The official position of the Libertarian Party of Canada is to remove the prohibitions and legislative obstacles for the ownership of guns by peaceful citizens for the purposes of recreation, self-defence and hunting. If elected, the Libertarian Party of Canada would: Repeal section 91 and 92 of the Criminal Code to make responsible gun possession legal Revise the legal definition of weapon and firearm to reflect that guns are tools when in the hands of qualified civilians Eliminate the provincial and territorial Chief Firearms Offices as a cost saving mechanism and transfer responsible gun ownership to a certification based system Eliminate the unfair search and seizure provisions under the Firearms Act and reverse the onus provisions so that citizens are not labelled criminals before their day in court Environment: The Libertarian Party of Canada recognizes the importance of a clean and healthy environment to all Canadians. The property rights of all Canadians must be respected to ensure responsible and accountable use and preservation of our natural resources. As such, the Libertarian Party of Canada would: Enforce property rights so individuals have full ownership over their land and the natural resources above and below it Encourage a system whereby harm and property damage as a result of pollution can be dealt with through the judicial system Remove eminent domain legislation by repealing the Expropriation Act[/quote] These are some good polices too right here.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47433126]These are some good polices too right here.[/QUOTE] The 'free market' economic policies, tax reduction, elimination of tax credit, eliminating foreign aid, ending tarriffs on foreign goods, gun ownership changes, and property right enforcement are the worst things that could possibly happen to Canada. You just don't understand how 'free trade' has fucked the world. And there's a reason a government must always have the final say on natural resources.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47432563] Yeah, or it could be female circumcision, sharia law, honor killings etc. It could mean anything.[/QUOTE] Wow it's almost like those things are already illegal

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47433165]Wow it's almost like those things are already illegal[/QUOTE] [quote]I am proud to say that Canada’s Conservatives are taking action to protect Canadians from barbaric cultural practices such as child, forced, or polygamous marriages and gender-based family violence. We are also taking action to help prevent girls from being removed from Canada to be forced into early marriages. We will not permit these practices within our country, and we will not be complicit in their taking place anywhere else. We will also make it clear that those who engage in polygamy will find themselves subject to removal from Canada. Like early and forced marriages, this practice has no place in Canada. Gender-based family violence will not be tolerated in Canada either. So-called honour killings are not an acceptable practice. We are removing loopholes that have allowed these criminals to reduce their sentence. Those found guilty must be face the full strength of the Canadian judicial system.[/quote] from the statement

The NDP are Canada's best hope moving forward. if I think the Liberals are more likely to win, I'll vote Liberal. But fuck the conservatives, and fuck the Libertarian party even more. Both will turn the country I love into a shithole.

[QUOTE=archangel125;47433161] ending tarriffs on foreign goods, gun ownership changes, and property right enforcement are the worst things that could possibly happen to Canada. You just don't understand how 'free trade' has fucked the world. .[/QUOTE] Are you crazy?

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47433221]Are you crazy?[/QUOTE] No, but you are. I've got work to do, so I'll be brief. Eliminating tariffs and allowing 'free trade' means corporate deregulation. It means corporations are suddenly free to outsource Canadian jobs to Bangladesh. It means they can put their profits in overseas tax havens with even fewer checks and balances than we have now, and not have to pay a cent in taxes (Which is shit logic considering they own most of the country's wealth). It means they no longer have to conform to standards protecting Canadian workers, and that most of their profits will leave Canada and go sit in a bank account somewhere in a tax haven, instead of feeding the economy. It means that foreign corporations that operate in the States will be free to come into Canada and push out Canadian businesses, especially small ones that do not have prominence on the stock market. Oh, and what they like to call 'property rights enforcement'? It means that protected land under which say, oil is found can be immediately exploited and destroyed without the government being able to stop it. I've said it before, I'll say it again. Fuck conservatives, and fuck libertarianism. If you think that any of the above is a good idea, you're delusional.

is ultra_bright trolling at this point [editline]3[/editline] he sent me furry porn one time because I wasn't into furry porn

Archangel I don't even care to enter the debate but if you want to be taken seriously and not look like a kid you should probably not constantly ad hominem and call the person you're debating with a fucking idiot among other things.

[QUOTE=archangel125;47433273]No, but you are. I've got work to do, so I'll be brief. Eliminating tariffs and allowing 'free trade' means corporate deregulation. It means corporations are suddenly free to outsource Canadian jobs to Bangladesh. It means they can put their profits in overseas tax havens with even fewer checks and balances than we have now, and not have to pay a cent in taxes (Which is shit logic considering they own most of the country's wealth). It means they no longer have to conform to standards protecting Canadian workers, and that most of their profits will leave Canada and go sit in a bank account somewhere in a tax haven, instead of feeding the economy. It means that foreign corporations that operate in the States will be free to come into Canada and push out Canadian businesses, especially small ones that do not have prominence on the stock market. Oh, and what they like to call 'property rights enforcement'? It means that protected land under which say, oil is found can be immediately exploited and destroyed without the government being able to stop it. I've said it before, I'll say it again. Fuck conservatives, and fuck libertarianism.[/QUOTE] That's how capitalism works buddy, instead what we have now is a bunch of large corporations that have a monopoly or a duopoly in the market that fucks over the consumers, just look at the telecommunications industry. Also the property rights issue they are talking about has nothing to do with oil companies coming in and destroying protected land to gain access to natural resources, rather the the fact that the government has total control over the final say of what someone can do with their property for example the government forcing someone to give up their land to build a transformer station or a bridge or something else on it with poor compensation and little to no consideration for the person who resides there. I don't know where you're getting they want to destroy protected land to exploit their resources from. Also untaxed foreign trade is good for the economy, our biggest trading partner is the united states and with it we can easily compare some of the goods we are getting minus the exchange rate and see that we are paying almost double for some of the same products that the americans are, if you throw in higher importation fees and taxes this not only discourages free trade but fucks over the consumer in the end. As for gun ownership you can't even argue with it, ask any law abiding gun owner how they feel about the laws currently put in place by liberals, all four million of them. Also, I think a lot of Canadians disagree with you, the conservatives keep getting elected over and over and it just goes to show how they feel about the political climate here. [editline]31st March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47433297]is ultra_bright trolling at this point [editline]3[/editline] he sent me furry porn one time because I wasn't into furry porn[/QUOTE] That's because you were going on anti-furry rants in the gay chat thread, please stay on topic.

it wasn't even a rant but anyways there is no reason not to vote liberal party over ndp, to me they're like closet conservatives because I remember a bill (either this one or the terrorism bill) where they were like "yeah I agree with this conservative bill" i could be wrong but I agree more with the ndp than i do with the liberal party anyways