• Wanted posters for abortion doctors incite violence
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[QUOTE=The golden;25778803]In the whole history of humanity, there is no such thing as moderate religion. There is always people who take it to extremes and are willing to die rather than change/make progress.[/QUOTE] Oh please, there are plenty of moderate Christians, Jews, and Muslims. Hindus and Buddhists are pretty moderate as well.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;25778820]If they're trying to get people murdered then yes, lol[/QUOTE] refusing peoples' rights is okay?
These posters are ominous, clearly; but I don't think they're direct enough to be considered an incitement to violence. Because of that, there's no reason to punish anyone who is behind them. All that would accomplish is a long and lengthy court trial that ultimately the government would loose.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;25778874]These posters are ominous, clearly; but I don't think they're direct enough to be considered an incitement to violence. Because of that, there's no reason to punish anyone who is behind them. All that would accomplish is a long and lengthy court trial that ultimately the government would loose.[/QUOTE] Even if it isn't direct, they are still implying violence.
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;25778890]Even if it isn't direct, they are still implying violence.[/QUOTE] That doesn't matter, it's not a direct call to violence. If someone could go to jail for implications of violence, then any political speech with any hint of malice could be construed as such. A policy on those lines would be indefensible.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;25778956]That doesn't matter, it's not a direct call to violence. If someone could go to jail for implications of violence, then any political speech with any hint of malice could be construed as such. A policy on those lines would be indefensible.[/QUOTE] That's true, but it's still pretty obvious. People are dieing because of these posters, it has to stop.
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;25778989]That's true, but it's still pretty obvious. People are dieing because of these posters, it has to stop.[/QUOTE] people are dying over a poster?
[QUOTE=JDK721v5;25779008]people are dying over a poster?[/QUOTE] People are dying over what it is implying. [quote]In the 1990s similar fliers were distributed in other cities. Then came the murders. Pensacola, Fla., doctor David Gunn and Dr. George Patterson of Alabama were shot and killed in 1993. Dr. John Britton was murdered a year later in Florida. All were targets on Wanted posters. [/quote] [quote]Dr. George Tiller survived an assassination attempt in Wichita in 1993. He was killed in his church last year.[/quote]
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;25779028]People are dying over what it is implying.[/QUOTE] Three cases when there have clearly been many more posters distributed doesn't prove a causal link; it's barely even corollary.
[QUOTE=JDK721v5;25778834]refusing peoples' rights is okay?[/QUOTE] If they broke the law, of course
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;25779028]People are dying over what it is implying.[/QUOTE] correlation does not imply causation
Fetuses have no consciousness or working nervous system, why do people care so much about this shit. Just suck the little shit out with a Dyson and you're good to go.
[QUOTE=Captain Proton;25778076]"ARREST THE FUCKING CHRISTIANIST FUCKS AND NEVER LET THEM NEAR SOCIETY AGAIN!!!" lol[/QUOTE] To be honest though, abortion is murder any-way you try to spin it. You are killing a human. The argument is if you are for or against "mercy" killings. Since most abortions let people live better lives, and the aborted children would probably have had a sub-par childhood anyway. Their stance isn't so ridiculous, stop saying such ridiculous things.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;25779597]To be honest though, abortion is murder any-way you try to spin it. You are killing a human. The argument is if you are for or against "mercy" killings. Since most abortions let people live better lives, and the aborted children would probably have had a sub-par childhood anyway. Their stance isn't so ridiculous, stop saying such ridiculous things.[/QUOTE] So killing people over it is okay?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;25779597]To be honest though, abortion is murder any-way you try to spin it. You are killing a human. The argument is if you are for or against "mercy" killings. Since most abortions let people live better lives, and the aborted children would probably have had a sub-par childhood anyway. Their stance isn't so ridiculous, stop saying such ridiculous things.[/QUOTE] Murder is the killing of a human, during the time that a fetus is abortable they aren't considered people, they aren't sentient, and I'm sure for much of the abortable period they cannot even feel pain or think in any way
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;25778820]If they're trying to get people murdered then yes, lol[/QUOTE] they're trying to cause a stir, very few people actually murder abortion doctors so it's not like it makes a difference.
[QUOTE=staticman;25779654]So killing people over it is okay?[/QUOTE] Makes more sense when you see abortion as straight-up murder
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;25779664]Murder is the killing of a human, during the time that a fetus is abortable they aren't considered people, they aren't sentient, and I'm sure for much of the abortable period they cannot even feel pain or think in any way[/QUOTE] human is homo sapien, are you trying to say fetuses aren't homo sapiens? I'm not saying abortion is wrong, I'm saying they have a point, abortion is killing. Some of their other issues (gay rights for example) they have no leg to stand on.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;25779692]human is homo sapien, are you trying to say fetuses aren't homo sapiens? I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm saying they have a point, it is killing, some of their other issues (gay rights for example) they have no leg to stand on.[/QUOTE] They're a mass of cells during much of the abortable period, they're human...cells I guess, and have human DNA, but that doesn't give them human status, until they are able to feel pain or sentient, they are not really human thus aborting them is not a crime [editline]31st October 2010[/editline] or murder, whatever it's like killing a worm, they don't know nothing so who cares
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;25779692]human is homo sapien, are you trying to say fetuses aren't homo sapiens? I'm not saying abortion is wrong, I'm saying they have a point, abortion is killing. Some of their other issues (gay rights for example) they have no leg to stand on.[/QUOTE] Human is animal as well, and killing a cat doesn't carry the same punishment as killing a human. You can't just do the a = b and b = c so a = c thing here
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;25779731]They're a mass of cells during much of the abortable period, they're human...cells I guess, and have human DNA, but that doesn't give them human status, until they are able to feel pain or sentient, they are not really human thus aborting them is not a crime[/QUOTE] That's a ridiculous argument considering you use your own definition of human. What the fuck is "human status", as soon as you have homo sapien DNA you are considering human. You don't call a monkey fetus "sub-monkey" it's just a young monkey. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human[/url]
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;25779783]Human is animal as well, and killing a cat doesn't carry the same punishment as killing a human. You can't just do the a = b and b = c so a = c thing here[/QUOTE] In terms of what? If you kill a cat then you can be sure that the internet will treat you worse than if you killed a person
Family values, Insult homosexuals, kill abortionists erry day.
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;25779783]Human is animal as well, and killing a cat doesn't carry the same punishment as killing a human. You can't just do the a = b and b = c so a = c thing here[/QUOTE] human literally means homo sapien though, they are synonyms.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;25779819]human literally means homo sapien though, they are synonyms.[/QUOTE] It's not like I'd consider a fetus of the same importance of myself or you, fetuses by a strict definition, are I guess humans, in the same way that a hand is human on its own.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;25779853]It's not like I'd consider a fetus of the same importance of myself or you, fetuses by a strict definition, are I guess humans, in the same way that a hand is human on its own.[/QUOTE] No because a fetus will eventually grow to have all systems people normally do, a hand is just a part of a human, as it only reads part of the DNA. [editline]1st November 2010[/editline] The question is not if fetuses are human, it's if you are okay with killing them. As I said before, abortion is normally a last resort, fetuses are only really aborted when there is something wrong with them or if the couple isn't capable of handling a child. Which to me is good as it increases the quality of life of all.
pro-choice here
If a person is willing to have an abortion they are going to do it because the kid would probably be raised wrong, so i say have all the abortions you want, as long as you let me use the fetus for stem cell research then im fine
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25779899]If a person is willing to have an abortion they are going to do it because the kid would probably be raised wrong, so i say [b]have all the abortions you want[/b], as long as you let me use the fetus for stem cell research then im fine[/QUOTE] I politely disagree; the way I see it, abortions should only be practiced when birthing of the child puts the mother's life in danger. I find abortions outside of this reason inhumane, and somewhat selfish, after all, adoption is always an option. Also, blastocysts are used for stem cell research, not fetuses.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;25780013]I politely disagree; the way I see it, abortions should only be practiced when birthing of the child puts the mother's life in danger. I find abortions outside of this reason inhumane, and somewhat selfish, after all, adoption is always an option. Also, blastocysts are used for stem cell research, not fetuses.[/QUOTE] What do you feel when abortions are done in rape cases, or for eugenical purposes?
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