UN agency sends angry letter to Uruguay over marijuana legalisation - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Superkilll307;43181100]Do you really need them to specify considering the info is out there? [editline]14th December 2013[/editline] Actually while on that its important to remember a lot of these dangers are ones that mostly affect Children and adolescents not adults as heavily.[/QUOTE] Considering it's the UN yeah they fucking should be sourcing their material and providing copies of it to back up their side of the discussion.

[QUOTE=Superkilll307;43181100]Do you really need them to specify considering the info is out there? [editline]14th December 2013[/editline] Actually while on that its important to remember a lot of these dangers are ones that mostly affect Children and adolescents not adults as heavily.[/QUOTE] Well considering it is an international body with certain powers and not some random guy on a forum with the username Superkill307, I would say yes I do need them to point me to the information they have used to reach the conclusion. [editline]14th December 2013[/editline] Shit ninjad...

U.N doing what they're best at. Sending letters.

[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;43180759]They went against a convention, what kinda reaction did you expect? This isn't Uruguay playing the noble drug lord hero. Why's everyone jumping on that one line with the alcohol comparison either? It's a slippery slope, not a justification. Besides, there's this one right after it: Which seems like a way bigger deal to me. Well, apart from the psychological impacts like anxiety, paranoia, panic attacks, acute psychosis and the usual irrational decision-making. All of which I'm sure is just superstition of old people jealous of untaxed sick blazes, bra.[/QUOTE] Yes, this is all true. When Im high my irrational decision making causes me to eat too much Taco Bell, and then I have anxiety over having the shits the next day. Funny how the only people that have ever reported acute psychosis from Cannabis use are those who had a family history and were already predisposed for schizophrenia... Or the fact that CBD (the most medically useful cannabinoid, which is more concentrated than THC in some Cannabis strains) is an anti psychotic. Not to mention, what do you mean by talking about "drug lords" and "untaxed"? Portugals drug laws show clearly that legalizing use and outlawing the criminal organizations that made up the illegal drug trade lower not only use but also drug related crime. And Im nkt sure of the specifics of Uruguays plan in the future, but why it would ever go untaxed after legalization is beyond me. [editline]14th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Midas22;43181569]U.N doing what they're best at. Sending letters.[/QUOTE] Dear so-and-so, Please stop the genocide in your country. Pretty please? Sincerely, the gathering of the most powerful nations in the world

Why exactly is an argument against weed that it has negative side effects like effecting driving? because you can I don't know, ban driving while high or something. Like alcohol.

[i]We have all agreed that we don't like the way you act but don't you fucking dare tell us how to do our shit or we'll sanction you.[/i]

[QUOTE=Fetret;43181555]Well considering it is an international body with certain powers and not some random guy on a forum with the username Superkill307, I would say yes I do need them to point me to the information they have used to reach the conclusion. [editline]14th December 2013[/editline] Shit ninjad...[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=bravehat;43181492]Considering it's the UN yeah they fucking should be sourcing their material and providing copies of it to back up their side of the discussion.[/QUOTE] I was referring to the fact he said it wasn't mentioned in relation to my post, so my post to him was referring to the fact he needs to check if its moderate or not.

[QUOTE=Valdor;43181165]just one puff is all it takes to induce permanent reefer madness[/QUOTE] My favorite poster<33 [IMG]http://s27.postimg.org/kgfvtaq03/image.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Cabbage;43180437]well, the alcohol itself probably isn't and less or more harmful, but the method it's administered is a helluva lot healthier than smoking.[/QUOTE] false you take like, what, 1-3 drags total compared to how many per cigarette? whereas alcohol induces you to ingest more alcohol

Honestly completely surprised and baffled at how many people still seem to possess completely warped views on cannabis in 2013.

its amazing because I can't really find scientific studies linking the chemicals in pot to addiction and there aren't because it doesn't. all the stuff just from googling is for daily long term year in and year out use, the same shit happens with every drug that is legal, the real problem is the evidence points to the contrary that it is a medicinally useful drug, it isn't destructive like the hardcore drugs, and it isn't really addictive. cognitive effects are to be expected from heavy use like oh...any alcoholic or meth addict has. they just dont like to do their job and listen to the growing scientific body of evidence against their case

[QUOTE=Sableye;43186011]its amazing because I can't really find scientific studies linking the chemicals in pot to addiction and there aren't because it doesn't. all the stuff just from googling is for daily long term year in and year out use, the same shit happens with every drug that is legal, the real problem is the evidence points to the contrary that it is a medicinally useful drug, it isn't destructive like the hardcore drugs, and it isn't really addictive. cognitive effects are to be expected from heavy use like oh...any alcoholic or meth addict has. they just dont like to do their job and listen to the growing scientific body of evidence against their case[/QUOTE] You can become psychologically addicted to it, though. I think a lot of people who smoke pot regularly ARE quite psychologically addicted to it. You can become psychologically addicted to anything. Watching TV, playing video games, sex, exercising, chocolate, you name it. I remember having a big argument in the Durgs Discussion forum about chemical and psychological dependency and how a lot of people were convinced that it was impossibly to distinguish between them, but recently upon assessing some of the own habits I've formed (not related to pot, by the way) I've come to realise something quite obvious in hind sight: psychological dependency doesn't cause physical withdrawal effects. I just feel bored or a little bit emotionally shitty if I withhold from something that I realise I have a bit of a psychological dependency on (usually those habits are formed out of boredom in the first place, so it makes sense), whereas if I say starve myself of caffeine for two weeks during the uni holidays I'll get actual withdrawal effects: headaches, muscle aches and pains, that kind of shit. So yeah, I think it's quite easy to get psychologically addicted to cannabis if you overdo it, but I don't think chemical addiction is a big issue.

UN, fuck off and lean back into your own seats. At least watch what'll happen before throwing everything aside. It's as walking out of a movie as the beginning credits states "Adam Sandler", no fuck off give it a chance before you judge.

[QUOTE=sltungle;43186424]You can become psychologically addicted to it, though. I think a lot of people who smoke pot regularly ARE quite psychologically addicted to it. You can become psychologically addicted to anything. Watching TV, playing video games, sex, exercising, chocolate, you name it. I remember having a big argument in the Durgs Discussion forum about chemical and psychological dependency and how a lot of people were convinced that it was impossibly to distinguish between them, but recently upon assessing some of the own habits I've formed (not related to pot, by the way) I've come to realise something quite obvious in hind sight: psychological dependency doesn't cause physical withdrawal effects. I just feel bored or a little bit emotionally shitty if I withhold from something that I realise I have a bit of a psychological dependency on (usually those habits are formed out of boredom in the first place, so it makes sense), whereas if I say starve myself of caffeine for two weeks during the uni holidays I'll get actual withdrawal effects: headaches, muscle aches and pains, that kind of shit. So yeah, I think it's quite easy to get psychologically addicted to cannabis if you overdo it, but I don't think chemical addiction is a big issue.[/QUOTE] As a regular stoner that just took a serious and lengthy break from smoking I can attest to this. It is entirely mental and it only really takes a bit of willpower to fight it compared to the times i've tried to quit smoking cigarettes. There is a marked difference in the activities.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43186656]As a regular stoner that just took a serious and lengthy break from smoking I can attest to this. It is entirely mental and it only really takes a bit of willpower to fight it compared to the times i've tried to quit smoking cigarettes. There is a marked difference in the activities.[/QUOTE] Indeed. You can get through chemical dependency too with enough willpower, but it's a lot tougher because of the headaches and pains and stuff like that.

[QUOTE=sltungle;43186683]Indeed. You can get through chemical dependency too with enough willpower, but it's a lot tougher because of the headaches and pains and stuff like that.[/QUOTE] Quitting cigs is a lot harder because you get an actual physical crave to have that smoke. I've had serious issues quitting due to the headaches and phantom pains that I get from lack of nicotine. Quitting weed just made me bored the next day.

addiction isn't a good thing but it's not necessarily a bad thing either. if you can 'manage' it then what does it matter? many people are addicted to many things but still get through life just fine

Weed isn't even addicting. None of the contents/chemicals cause the body to go through withdrawal. Weed can be psychologically addicting but that's about it. Just don't be a weak willed person and you'll be fine.

Extremely heavy cannabis smokers can go through dysphoria, lack of sleep, lack of appetite, etc. upon cessation Seems both sides of this argument are uninformed... Now of course you wont get uncomtrollable cravings like an opiate or nicotine addiction but when your body/brain has a certain amount of chemicals in it for an extended period of time it adapts and so does your psyche. Just the way things are, humans are a very adaptable species.

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I'm so 100% biased when it comes to weed, like I'll always support it, but I can definitely attest to the fact that there can potentially be physical withdrawals. I don't think it's common by any means, but depending on the person/dispositions, it's possible, and I personally experience about two weeks of stomach issues when quitting cold turkey during the two weeks and after smoking all day every day for three years. This happens every tolerance break or long duration of cold turkey breaks. I have no health conditions this just seems to occur and I've learned to deal with it whenever the time comes. That and of course the psychological boredom, which most people will get. it really is interesting though because after two weeks or so, all of those effects will completely subside forever, and if I start smoking weed again for months on end, no stomach issues will occur until I decide to quit cold turkey again. [editline]wat[/editline] I also recall some mates experiencing night sweats in similar scenarios, difficulty in falling asleep. Again, all completely subside though after x period.

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[QUOTE=Whiterfire;43185717]false you take like, what, 1-3 drags total compared to how many per cigarette? whereas alcohol induces you to ingest more alcohol[/QUOTE] what the point is inhaling smoke is bad for you, maybe it's better than a cigarette, but it's bad nonetheless

[QUOTE=Cabbage;43191540]what the point is inhaling smoke is bad for you, maybe it's better than a cigarette, but it's bad nonetheless[/QUOTE] I wonder why no one has mentionned that the whole ''smoking'' problem with cannabis is entirely avoidable (unless I missed a certain post). Vaporising or cooking it into an edible removes the carcinogens completly.

[QUOTE=Krype;43193717]I wonder why no one has mentionned that the whole ''smoking'' problem with cannabis is entirely avoidable (unless I missed a certain post). Vaporising or cooking it into an edible removes the carcinogens completly.[/QUOTE] Now I am wondering why people smoke it if that's the case.

because people want to smoke it, the real people who really need to take medicine daily take it through vaporizing or ingestion because you can control the dosage much more effectively

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43193806]Now I am wondering why people smoke it if that's the case.[/QUOTE] Good edibles take practice to make (or, you know, stoners actually reading a recipe) and vaporisers are on the rise, but the main reason is you can roll up a joint anytime anywhere in a few seconds and with a 2 dollar pack of rolling papers. Weed becomes legal, people start picking up on BHO or other high potency products so they smoke less for the same high, or vaporisers go down in price after a demand boom. They already are right now but not by that much. I still don't understand why weed isn't legalised but over taxed.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43193806]Now I am wondering why people smoke it if that's the case.[/QUOTE] It's cheap, affordable, and there's endless ways to smoke it. If a legalized marijuana economy allows for a drop in the prices of vaporizers or an easier and relaxed usage of edible cooking, then actual smoke inhalation may drop.

The UN is full of old ignorant assholes. Their all going to die hopefully very soon from old age. Our generation will take over. That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Now we wait..

[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;43180597]But weed has sleep-inducing properties for a lot (if not the majority) of users. I used it very often as a sleep-aid, and I'm fairly sure it's prescribed for that purpose in states where medical use of it is allowed.[/QUOTE] I would say that's more subjective than anything. I get somewhat hyped and thoughtful during and after consumption. And I don't think that takes into consideration the way people enter a high or a buzz. THC usually just amplifies emotions or moods that were already present to begin with; and considering the fact that most people end up consuming in the evening they're obviously going to get very tired.