What do we want again? Occupy Wall St takes hold of Australia - Polidicks

Haha. Australians don't know how good they've got it here. Try living in New Zealand. That country is fucked up something fierce. Ask someone who's been on both sides of the fence - I know. I do, however, support them whole-heartedly. Separation of corporation and state MUST happen.

Even if they don't have a manifesto or aren't protesting against our [i]own[/i] government, it's important for people to know that the fight against corporate greed is global; not just in the countries that suffer from it the worst.

[QUOTE=BobIsCrappy;32788242]Silly Australians. Your country is fine. High minimum wage, low population, free healthcare. Americans have it worse in most areas (except the price of video games.)[/QUOTE] Try being under 30 and affording a place here. Or 40 if youre in sydney. $1,025,000 [img]http://images.domain.com.au/img/2011920/49/2009243603_1_FS.JPG?mod=111013-184045[/img] Seem reasonable?

[QUOTE=killerteacup;32788619]But all imports to Australia end up being incredibly costly [B]because companies mark them up 100-400% on the basis that we live in Australia and they can do it[/B].[/QUOTE] Buy all my shit from the manufacturer, ty people's republic. [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Pace.;32793570]Try being under 30 and affording a place here. Or 40 if youre in sydney. $1,025,000 [img]http://images.domain.com.au/img/2011920/49/2009243603_1_FS.JPG?mod=111013-184045[/img] Seem reasonable?[/QUOTE] That's deceptive though, because our inner city tends to wealthy, whereas the American's inner city tends to be extremely poor. [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] still house prices are fucked

[QUOTE=Contag;32796076]Buy all my shit from the manufacturer, ty people's republic. [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] That's deceptive though, because our inner city tends to wealthy, whereas the American's inner city tends to be extremely poor. [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] still house prices are fucked[/QUOTE] I live in a damn fine house for about $340 a week. This same house would be AT LEAST $550 a week in NZ. And that's putting it in a shit neighbourhood. Among other things. [i]Everything[/i] over here is about half the price it is in NZ. Food, fuel, cars, you name it, if it can be purchased, you'd be paying double over the ditch. Now you might say "but the exchange rate-". No. The average wage in New Zealand is far less. The cost of living much higher. Not to mention finding a job in NZ right now is fucking [i]impossible[/i]. Friend of mine who is well qualified in various fields, was job hunting for over a year in NZ, before making the decision to move over here. Within a [i]a month[/i] he had a well paying job, with perks (car, fuel card etc). Point of this rant? Australians, [i]you don't know how fucking good you've got it[/i]. Don't rock the boat. Or John Key will show up to ruin the place.

Yeah, my cousin is 22 and he's finding it pretty difficult to get a job over there. Fortunately his family is rich, otherwise he'd be fucked. Then again, he's the type of guy who was on channel 4 news for drifting and doing burnouts, so take that with a grain of salt.

[QUOTE=Contag;32796076]Buy all my shit from the manufacturer, ty people's republic. [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] That's deceptive though, because our inner city tends to wealthy, whereas the American's inner city tends to be extremely poor. [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] still house prices are fucked[/QUOTE] I know one thing for sure, in my town you DO NOT want to live anywhere south of 14th street. That's like putting a big-ass neon sign on your yard saying "I'm too poor to afford proper security measures, please steal my shit". Seriously, a friend of mine once had a radiator stolen out of his fucking car WHILE HE WAS AT HOME. There wasn't a drop of coolant found ANYWHERE.

[QUOTE=Asmaedus;32796518]I live in a damn fine house for about $340 a week.[/QUOTE] That's $1360/month, which is expensive, and likely quite overvalued depending on the house

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32800620]That's $1360/month, which is expensive, and likely quite overvalued depending on the house[/QUOTE] Yeah but when the average wage of a teenager is something like $16, it's not so bad.

[QUOTE=Mlisen14;32800701]Yeah but when the average wage of a teenager is something like $16, it's not so bad.[/QUOTE] Yeah with full time hours it'd be fine, but if you're a student or something there's no way to make that work

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32800620]That's $1360/month, which is expensive, and likely quite overvalued depending on the house[/QUOTE] Alot of the houses in my town were drastically over-valued too. There was a big thing where we were trying desperately to keep the local air force base operational otherwise the town would dry up and blow away or some other stupid thing like that. Anyway, we kept it, but instead of just Air Force personnel, it was turned into a base for Special Ops because our local terrain and climate greatly resemble that of Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan (yay us?). In anticipation for this, alot of "fancy" homes were thrown together and priced upwards of $150,000 for 3 or 4 bedroom homes. (which is RIDICULOUS around here, especially since they half-ass alot of stuff like heating/air conditioning, etc) Well turns out Special Ops don't make that much money either so alot of those homes are not surprisingly vacant.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;32800826]Alot of the houses in my town were drastically over-valued too. There was a big thing where we were trying desperately to keep the local air force base operational otherwise the town would dry up and blow away or some other stupid thing like that. Anyway, we kept it, but instead of just Air Force personnel, it was turned into a base for Special Ops because our local terrain and climate greatly resemble that of Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan (yay us?). In anticipation for this, alot of "fancy" homes were thrown together and priced upwards of $150,000 for 3 or 4 bedroom homes. (which is RIDICULOUS around here, especially since they half-ass alot of stuff like heating/air conditioning, etc) Well turns out Special Ops don't make that much money either so alot of those homes are not surprisingly vacant.[/QUOTE] Housing market is built on speculation. When people stop buying into the bullshit, it collapses.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;32800826]Alot of the houses in my town were drastically over-valued too. There was a big thing where we were trying desperately to keep the local air force base operational otherwise the town would dry up and blow away or some other stupid thing like that. Anyway, we kept it, but instead of just Air Force personnel, it was turned into a base for Special Ops because our local terrain and climate greatly resemble that of Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan (yay us?). In anticipation for this, alot of "fancy" homes were thrown together and priced upwards of $150,000 for 3 or 4 bedroom homes. (which is RIDICULOUS around here, especially since they half-ass alot of stuff like heating/air conditioning, etc) Well turns out Special Ops don't make that much money either so alot of those homes are not surprisingly vacant.[/QUOTE] $150,000 jesus christ you couldnt get a studio apartment in a crime filled neighbourhood in sydney, youd be looking at at least twice that. If you wanted a proper 4 bedroom house in a normal neighbourhood you'd need 10 times that, $1,500,000.

[QUOTE=Pace.;32800941]$150,000 jesus christ you couldnt get a studio apartment in a crime filled neighbourhood in sydney, youd be looking at at least twice that. If you wanted a proper 4 bedroom house in a normal neighbourhood you'd need 10 times that, $1,500,000.[/QUOTE] We're a tiny town that's only here because of the railroad and the base, so even a $75,000 home is out of reach for alot of people.

It really doesn't matter how "good" Australia has it. Obviously the Australian people think they have cause to be a bit upset about the way corporations have power in the country and saying "oh, but Australia doesn't know how good it's got it" is a fucking silly argument - if you think your country has it worse go protest yourselves but that doesn't mean that Australians shouldn't be pissed about things in their country too. Thinking of heading to Sydney for this, its not far.

You've also gotta remember, the US Economy affects us in a fairly big way. If the US ever goes belly up, or hell, even what happened recently with the debt ceiling, we feel it here too.

Yes, Australia is very affected by changes in the US market

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32800620]That's $1360/month, which is expensive, and likely quite overvalued depending on the house[/QUOTE] It's a 3 bedroom house. This is cheap for a 3 bedroom house. Jesus christ you can buy a house for $75000 in the US? Sounds like a property developers dream. Average 3 bedroom family home in Australia/New Zealand is between 300k/400k

[QUOTE=Asmaedus;32796518]I live in a damn fine house for about $340 a week. This same house would be AT LEAST $550 a week in NZ. And that's putting it in a shit neighbourhood. Among other things. [i]Everything[/i] over here is about half the price it is in NZ. Food, fuel, cars, you name it, if it can be purchased, you'd be paying double over the ditch. Now you might say "but the exchange rate-". No. The average wage in New Zealand is far less. The cost of living much higher. Not to mention finding a job in NZ right now is fucking [i]impossible[/i]. Friend of mine who is well qualified in various fields, was job hunting for over a year in NZ, before making the decision to move over here. Within a [i]a month[/i] he had a well paying job, with perks (car, fuel card etc). Point of this rant? Australians, [i]you don't know how fucking good you've got it[/i]. Don't rock the boat. Or John Key will show up to ruin the place.[/QUOTE] bro you're wrong, I live in a 4 bedroom house literally by a beach on the north shore for about the same as you. [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] Also i found a job that pays 20 dollars an hour reallly easy [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] And i had no experience

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;32806425]bro you're wrong, I live in a 4 bedroom house literally by a beach on the north shore for about the same as you. [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] Also i found a job that pays 20 dollars an hour reallly easy [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] And i had no experience[/QUOTE] To put it in perspective, the highest paying job I've heard of that isn't commission based or doesn't require years of experience is an "on-call" job maintaining the refrigeration equipment at a dairy. $35 an hour. Even then you need a 608 refrigeration license and you have to be a Journeyman to get it.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;32806588]To put it in perspective, the highest paying job I've heard of that isn't commission based or doesn't require years of experience is an "on-call" job maintaining the refrigeration equipment at a dairy. $35 an hour. Even then you need a 608 refrigeration license to get it.[/QUOTE] 20NZD is only 15 USD

[QUOTE=Asmaedus;32796518]I live in a damn fine house for about $340 a week. This same house would be AT LEAST $550 a week in NZ. And that's putting it in a shit neighbourhood. Among other things. [i]Everything[/i] over here is about half the price it is in NZ. Food, fuel, cars, you name it, if it can be purchased, you'd be paying double over the ditch. Now you might say "but the exchange rate-". No. The average wage in New Zealand is far less. The cost of living much higher. Not to mention finding a job in NZ right now is fucking [i]impossible[/i]. Friend of mine who is well qualified in various fields, was job hunting for over a year in NZ, before making the decision to move over here. Within a [i]a month[/i] he had a well paying job, with perks (car, fuel card etc). Point of this rant? Australians, [i]you don't know how fucking good you've got it[/i]. Don't rock the boat. Or John Key will show up to ruin the place.[/QUOTE] What is wrong with you the only thing this rant shows is that New Zealand should be protesting as well, not that Australia shouldn't be By that logic noone should protest because Burma has it so much worse than us Also, New Zealand isn't half that bad when I've been over there whereas a student house in the middle of Sydney is costing my friend about $225 a week in rent which is impossible on a student wage - the only reason he can stay is because his parents are helping him out and not everyone has that option

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;32806620]20NZD is only 15 USD[/QUOTE] $15 an hour is still fantastic if you can just walk up and be all "hire me" and they're all "'kay". Closest I ever had was $12 an hour working hard labour in a whey processing plant.

Yea Im not saying it isn't fantastic, Its just not as fantastic as it seems if it is in USD. Its a telemarketing job so you just had to be able to speak well and convince people.

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;32806662]Yea Im not saying it isn't fantastic, Its just not as fantastic as it seems if it is in USD. Its a telemarketing job so you just had to be able to speak well and convince people.[/QUOTE] Telemarketing jobs are among the most stressful jobs in the western world

Just a bit but it is all good as a part time job.

[QUOTE=Asmaedus;32806279]It's a 3 bedroom house. This is cheap for a 3 bedroom house. Jesus christ you can buy a house for $75000 in the US? Sounds like a property developers dream. Average 3 bedroom family home in Australia/New Zealand is between 300k/400k[/QUOTE] I actually found a house for sale once, 5 bedroom 2-story for $10,000. Upon reading the description I saw "tours are given at your own risk" so it sounds like it would be a fun game of "what the hell is wrong with this place?"

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;32806425]bro you're wrong, I live in a 4 bedroom house literally by a beach on the north shore for about the same as you. [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] Also i found a job that pays 20 dollars an hour reallly easy [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] And i had no experience[/QUOTE] The fuck. How.

[QUOTE=Asmaedus;32808533]The fuck. How.[/QUOTE] Trademe jobs does wonders

I honestly see this as a massive waste of time and effort on the part of the protesters due to their choice of venue to protests No CEO is going to give a fuck about their protests, with the operation of the stock exchanges going on without pause And it's borderline idiotic to be protesting those who are exploiting the loopholes given to them by the legal code rather than protests those who created the loopholes [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] Also what the fuck is wrong with Aus-NZ's housing market? Jesus fuck you have a shit load of empty land why does such shitty houses cost so much, I can buy a 3 bed room house for $50k if I looked for one here