Russian soldiers are coming home in coffins, and Moscow is intimidating anyone who asks why
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[QUOTE=Jordax;45964725]That is not the case. In the article, it says that Russia just sends squads of Russian soldiers to Ukraine to fight for the separatists regardless of their opinion of the whole case or where they are supposed to be stationed. And it aren't that experienced troops too by the look of it. Mostly young conscripts of between 19 and 24 years are being sent to Ukraine to capture land or die for Putin's dick stroking. Some of them got coerced into removing their military clothes for rebel garb just to be harder to be identified in case of being captured of killed. Not that the Russian government will ever admit that, despite the separatist's leader boasting how they got reinforced by 4000 Russian Army troops a few weeks back.[/QUOTE]
[quote]Rolan, the serviceman who fought alongside Tumanov in Snizhnye, says he spent 10 days fighting in Ukraine in the middle of August. Back home in the Krasnodar region, he said his commanders offered soldiers the option to go to Ukraine. The men could refuse, but the commanders were very supportive of those who agreed. Rolan went, he said, because of his military oath and to protect Russian-speakers from Ukrainian forces, routinely referred to as fascists, in Russia. His unit put him on paid leave to make the trip.
"(I wanted) to push neo-Nazis and pure fascists deep into the country or eliminate them and to free Russian-speaking population of this evil," he said.[/quote]
It makes absolutely zero sense for them to send conscripts over when they're up to the brim with nationalists, especially in the military
Like they couldn't find a few thousand willing to go in their entire force?
[QUOTE=Bazsil;45964787]can we please all stop riding Putin's stupidly blatant PR?[/QUOTE]
Obama smiles and waves, Cameron lies and waves, Putin, kills bears with his shirt off, best PR ever...still a dick tho
[QUOTE=Jund;45965301]It makes absolutely zero sense for them to send conscripts over when they're up to the brim with nationalists, especially in the military
Like they couldn't find a few thousand willing to go in their entire force?[/QUOTE]That is the thing; if you send away the conscripts, you're helping to eliminate the unwilling or resistant. If you send the nationalists, you're sending people who are fiercely loyal to anything their country and leaders say or do.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;45965620]That is the thing; if you send away the conscripts, you're helping to eliminate the unwilling or resistant. If you send the nationalists, you're sending people who are fiercely loyal to anything their country and leaders say or do.[/QUOTE]
But that's exactly why they should be sending in nationalists? A few thousand is a drop in the ocean in the numbers of the Russian army
What better use for nationalists than invading another country for a land grab? Any conscript would defend their country, but you'd need some real zealots to agree to do something so controversial even among Russian citizens
[QUOTE=Jund;45966785]But that's exactly why they should be sending in nationalists? A few thousand is a drop in the ocean in the numbers of the Russian army
What better use for nationalists than invading another country for a land grab? Any conscript would defend their country, but you'd need some real zealots to agree to do something so controversial even among Russian citizens[/QUOTE]
Nationalists are too damn loud. Conscripts, at worst would try to run away - in which case, if they end up in media attention, just call them as "foreign agents".
Also, as a Russian Immigrant, it's scary to think that if I did not leave, I could have ended up fighting there. Mind you, if earlier parts of conscription didn't kill me.
This just makes me damn sad 'cause these fallen kids ain't getting recognition for fighting the war that they died in, ain't gonna get any sort of memorial or anything because Russia is too damn stubborn to admit they're in Ukraine in the first place.
[editline]13th September 2014[/editline]
I mean yes, they're the 'bad guys', but they're just soldiers in this game. They deserve to be remembered and recognized for what they fought and died for, even if we disagree with the cause as strongly as we do in the west.
I wonder how many people have died since the beginning of this conflict. If numbers that pop up here and there sometimes are correct, it must be tens of thousands of them, and this is only military. Holy shit.
[QUOTE=antianan;45968593]I wonder how many people have died since the beginning of this conflict. If numbers that pop up here and there sometimes are correct, it must be tens of thousands of them, and this is only military. Holy shit.[/QUOTE]
1000 Ukraine military, 100-500 Ukrainian nationalist militia, 100-200 Russian military, 800-1000 Rebels
I just wish this conflict would be over and Ukraine could join the EU, eliminate its corruption and join NATO, so we could keep Russia at bay with their expanding ambitions.
[QUOTE=Squad1993;45960665]Ya know, government wise it is. Living wise, it isnt awful but its still pretty bad. But the people there just seem content or just dont give a fuck about the quality of their lives. Idk what it is about them. They just seem to accept what they have and keep moving. It really is admirable.[/QUOTE]
The russian people have been under an unbroken chain of dictatorships since 1547, so it isn't really a big mystery why they accept it as the 'way things have always been'
the choice in russia isn't between dictatorship and democracy, it's between dictatorship and utter chaos
I prefer not to expect anything, than expect bad things.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45974329]1000 Ukraine military, 100-500 Ukrainian nationalist militia, 100-200 Russian military, 800-1000 Rebels[/QUOTE]
Did Putin himself mail you those numbers?