AMD telling Hardware Reviewers not to publish CPU benchmarks of its new Piledriver APUs - Polidicks

Yeah it is because it was leaked and they don't want people to break NDA's. How can you not understand this?

[QUOTE=danielmm8888;37818216]At least they make good GPUs, right? Oh god who am I fucking kidding my 7970 can't even run Crysis on max.[/QUOTE]Mine runs crysis on max in eyefinity. [editline]27th September 2012[/editline] 5760x1080 that is.

[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;37818989]Yeah it is because it was leaked and they don't want people to break NDA's. How can you not understand this?[/QUOTE] No, AMD supplied a sample of their product to review, but said that the reviewers couldn't publish cpu-only benchmarks, only specific games. There is no leak involved in this story whatsoever.

Hasn't AMD been in a shoddy economic situation since forever? [editline]27th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Chernarus;37818410]I find it funny how people get so pissed off and start acting like AMD is oppressing them because they don't have the same size RND budget.[/QUOTE] No-one cares what budget they have, if you got to chose between two CPUs at the same price, people go with the one that gives best performance. Why it gives best performance is uninteresting.

[QUOTE=acds;37819300]Hasn't AMD been in a shoddy economic situation since forever?[/QUOTE] Not since forever, since 2006.

I don't want intel to have a monopoly, because they are a prime example of a company that would exploit it.

[QUOTE]Socket FM2[/QUOTE] After that socket AMD will introduce the first depressed socket ever, the FML.

[QUOTE=rhx123;37819269]No, AMD supplied a sample of their product to review, but said that the reviewers couldn't publish cpu-only benchmarks, only specific games. There is no leak involved in this story whatsoever.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/21/amd-piledriver-cpu-pre-order-pricing-leaks-out/[/URL] [editline]27th September 2012[/editline] Besides they get those CPU's with an NDA, intel, nvidia and everyone else does the same damn thing.

[QUOTE=Lomme;37819642]After that socket AMD will introduce the first depressed socket ever, the FML.[/QUOTE] random out crys from the heatsink's fan, moodswings on the cpu's frequency.

[QUOTE=CubeManv2;37820532]random out crys from the heatsink's fan, moodswings on the cpu's frequency.[/QUOTE] AMD isn't cool'n'quiet anymore.

Bulldozer uses a fuckton of power.

AMD's problems in the CPU market have been from poor management and a terrible CEO who was ousted. Their GPU's are doing well though. Good thing PC games tend to be more GPU dependent than CPU dependent, or we'd be upgrading CPU's more often, and that'd cost allot more than upgrading GPU's more often.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;37820829]AMD's problems in the CPU market have been from poor management and a terrible CEO who was ousted. Their GPU's are doing well though. Good thing PC games tend to be more GPU dependent than CPU dependent, or we'd be upgrading CPU's more often, and that'd cost allot more than upgrading GPU's more often.[/QUOTE] AMD are only underperforming in the enthusiast line, their APU's are pretty popular, and the Phenom CPU's still sell.

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;37821378]AMD are only underperforming in the enthusiast line, their APU's are pretty popular, and the Phenom CPU's still sell.[/QUOTE] Their answer to Intel's Atom line is superb.

true but for us PC gamers, the CPU scene is an expensive and innovation-free zone with very diminishing results unlike the gpu scene

[QUOTE=The Baconator;37821706]true but for us PC gamers, the CPU scene is an expensive and innovation-free zone with very diminishing results[/QUOTE] There's plenty of innovation in the CPU market still. Intel pushing new transistor technologies and smaller manufacturing processes, AMD pushing APU technology and actually giving mobile devices graphical capabilities. It's there if you actually pay attention and look for it. It's a shame their desktop CPUs are starting to suffer, the Phenom II x4 are still great budget chips, my 955 has been working strong for a few years now, with me only needing to buy a heatsink to deal with the heat output in my case (Antec 300 with shit airflow).

[QUOTE=hexpunK;37822599]There's plenty of innovation in the CPU market still. Intel pushing new transistor technologies and smaller manufacturing processes, AMD pushing APU technology and actually giving mobile devices graphical capabilities. It's there if you actually pay attention and look for it. It's a shame their desktop CPUs are starting to suffer, the Phenom II x4 are still great budget chips, my 955 has been working strong for a few years now, with me only needing to buy a heatsink to deal with the heat output in my case (Antec 300 with shit airflow).[/QUOTE] I think its more the point that as Intel is trashing AMD in the performance sector (AMD really don't have anything to compete with the IVB quads i5's and above, and everyone knows this), Intel is free to set the price point to whatever they wish. If AMD had some better performing high-end CPU units, then it would cause some kind of price war at least. [B]Edit[/B] I know it's only a single benchmark, but this from Borderlands 2 shows how AMD lost peformance from Phenom to Bulldozer [IMG]http://static.techspot.com/articles-info/577/bench/CPU1.png[/IMG] So yeah, a lower clocked Phenom quad can beat a higher clocked fx quad.

AMD's high-performance chips don't meet Intel's, but I wish they did. Anyone remember when we found out the Bulldozer was shit and Intel jacked up the i5 and i7 prices by about 8%? That sucked. Intel having competition is a good thing and hopefully AMD gets their shit together.

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;37818534][url]http://amdisfinished.com/[/url] Press f5 a few times.[/QUOTE] There's something hidden in the source code. :wink:

It looks like AMD are really trying to push their way back in to the CPU market, as they publicly announced that they weren't going to be competing with Intel in the foreseeable future. I hope it changes, because I always liked AMD CPU pricepoints.

So upon further review the power consumption of these APUs is apparently pretty decent. They also solved the problem where the scaling on the clocks was locked together. In other words if you were using your CPU on the old APUs, they drew proportional power on the GPU. This is a very big deal in the mobile world. Waiting for some more benchmarks and tests especially on single core performance. Over in PC building we may have to reassess our bottom end, and these will probably have a place in the laptop world. I'm reasonably sure that intel still crushes in 800 dollar and up range for desktops, but where the new line is remains to be seen.

I recently bought an amd laptop because my other one crapped out and i gotta say theyre not too terribly bad for cheap ones. i have the a8-4500M and with integrated gpu it can play bf3 on medium and im playing bl2 high everything except for physics with a steady 22-27fps(yes i know but its smooth enough) even though AMD is slipping up on the Cpu front they do have the edge on Intel when it comes down to integrated gpus

[QUOTE=PN_Redux;37828027]even though AMD is slipping up on the Cpu front they do have the edge on Intel when it comes down to integrated gpus[/QUOTE] Honestly, powerful IGPUs really only seem to matter in the mobile world to me. That or extreme budget builds. For desktop environment use even intel's 2500 IGPUs, let alone the 4000 ones are plenty powerful. I've driven 2 1080p displays off of a 2500 IGPU, and while it's somewhere between bad and ridiculously fucking terrible when it comes to running crysis, it handles Aero, 2 1080p videos, and some desktop work just fine. I've seen auto cad start to chug on some older IGPUs with some really hideously complicated things on screen, but that's about it. In other words its already in the 'good enough' zone for most people when it comes to power. If you want to seriously game, you buy a discreet card. If you want to do heavy rendering with Photoshop, or anything like that, you buy a discreet card. Something else to consider is where this is going with the next release of consoles. While DX 11 offers clear advantages over DX 9, games are being held back by all the limitations of console hardware, and it's not just the DX9 limit. Texture quality and other things haven't made the same headway in the past 3 years as they have in years prior. Once the new generation roles out, I expect game requirements to lurch forward suddenly once again, and we may be looking at a situation where IGPUs are suddenly completely irrelevant again when it comes to gaming.