Riots on streets in Athens on police shooting anniversary - Polidicks

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26536183]You're not even fighting against the right kind of people you dumbass. You just vandalize businesses and threaten cops.[/QUOTE] rioters fight police all the time. even so, riots are supposed to pressure the government into making better decisions, and if that can only come about by some store windows being smashed, then so be it.

[QUOTE=the dopest;26536564]rioters fight police all the time. even so, riots are supposed to pressure the government into making better decisions, and if that can only come about by some store windows being smashed, then so be it.[/QUOTE] Riots are riots. They don't influence anything inside the government other than a fact that they need a stronger force to stop the riots.

Don't want to sound all "fuck da poleece," but I honestly cant have remorse for police in general, especially not in this case. Many police officers get into that profession because they have a hyper-active sense of authority, or because they want to "bust some hippie skulls :downs:," or, finally, a naive and false feeling of heroism. None of those reasons are commendable or even trustworthy. I may be making assumptions (as are all of you), but Im guessing that the police in greece are all of the above. Anybody who strives for a position of authority (especially in the circumstances of riot police) has ulterior motives. Reading a lot of the pro-police/government comments, it sounds like people assume the police are some divine governmental authority that acts in the best interest of everybody, which is not the case. Don't forget that life in Greece isn't exactly good right now, while you're sitting in front of your computer watching events unfold in countries you've never been to it's easy to assume that the riots are only damaging to shopkeepers and good people, but that may not be the case. While riots do lack finesse and diplomacy, they do shake things up enough that people higher up in governmental authority will be a lot more cautious while treading on thin ice. It is important for a conceited government to fear it's general population, as that's who they are supposed to be serving the best interest of.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26536593]Riots are riots. They don't influence anything inside the government other than a fact that they need a stronger force to stop the riots.[/QUOTE] riots curb the governments ability to oppress the people you cant stop mass rioting with police, you stop it with policy change

[QUOTE=the dopest;26536700]riots curb the governments ability to oppress the people you cant stop mass rioting with police, you stop it with policy change[/QUOTE] Yeah, and you can't bring about effective policy changes with just rioting.

[QUOTE=the dopest;26536014]fight fire with fire[/QUOTE] Fighting fire with fire just creates more fire.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26536726]Yeah, and you can't bring about effective policy changes with just rioting.[/QUOTE] I'm sure there are people in Greece working on a governmental level to influence change beyond the means of rioting. The rioting is probably just speeding that along.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;26536859]Fighting fire with fire just creates more fire.[/QUOTE] if rioting is a successful way the people of greece can express their outrage, then let them riot. i don't think we'd be hearing about the publics opinion if they all stood in a street talking angrily amongst themselves

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26536927]I'm sure there are people in Greece working on a governmental level to influence change beyond the means of rioting. The rioting is probably just speeding that along.[/QUOTE] The endless rioting in France is one of the examples on how nothing changed when the law is passed. They froze infrastructure, barricaded roads and closed down refineries and nothing happened. The pension law passed in the legislature. If people need to bring down unjust policies, they need to take it out through the system via courts; they need to show the government that it is wrong. You can't just show your message on the streets and throw molotovs at the responding authorities, they'll just beat your ass and toss you to jail.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26537018] If people need to bring down unjust policies, they need to take it out through the system via courts; they need to show the government that it is wrong.[/QUOTE] good luck with that

[QUOTE=the dopest;26537038]good luck with that[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education[/url] Worked in my place.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26537082][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education[/url] Worked in my place.[/QUOTE] racial segregation is blatantly against the constitution. putting austerity measures in place, or in this case, the killing of an innocent by a cop, is not. it's not like i can sue a country for killing someone i don't know

[QUOTE=the dopest;26536014]fight fire with fire[/QUOTE] More like fight that guy standing 20 feet away from the fire with fire.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26537018]The endless rioting in France is one of the examples on how nothing changed when the law is passed. They froze infrastructure, barricaded roads and closed down refineries and nothing happened. The pension law passed in the legislature. If people need to bring down unjust policies, they need to take it out through the system via courts; they need to show the government that it is wrong. You can't just show your message on the streets and throw molotovs at the responding authorities, they'll just beat your ass and toss you to jail.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately not everybody is a professional in legal processes.

[QUOTE=the dopest;26536564]rioters fight police all the time. even so, riots are supposed to pressure the government into making better decisions, and if that can only come about by some store windows being smashed, then so be it.[/QUOTE] Rioters pressure the government into making better decisions about as much as 9/11 makes people want to convert to Islam.

[QUOTE=the dopest;26537181]racial segregation is blatantly against the constitution.[/QUOTE] Racial Segregation was utilized to curb the 14th Amendment Equal Protection Clause and it was believed that they can be separate but equal. It did not violate anything, it was interpreted differently at the time.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;26537227]Rioters pressure the government into making better decisions about as much as 9/11 makes people want to convert to Islam.[/QUOTE] not at all, riots are created by the people, and thus endorsed by the people. greeks have had riots against austerity measures in the past year. the riots haven't caused people to suddenly want austerity measures.

[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;26528972]Fuck shit up! It send a message. Psh. "Cops defending themselves" :v:[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__t_4I45-bX0/S9ZRNgT9yqI/AAAAAAAAFlk/vQxxv1xTT-0/s400/stop+sign.+emedco+jpg.jpg[/IMG] stop acting like a "rebellious" fuckwad facepunch isn't your freshman year of high school, but knowing you, you'd probably drop something like this anyway [B]edit-[/B] you're either trolling (in which you'll probably claim to cover up your bullshit) to get attention or you're amazingly thick

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26537214]Unfortunately not everybody is a professional in legal processes.[/QUOTE] Then you need to get the pro's in for the cause, it's certainly more effective than just going out on the streets and throwing objects. [QUOTE=the dopest;26537312]not at all, riots are created by the people, and thus endorsed by the people. greeks have had riots against austerity measures in the past year. the riots haven't caused people to suddenly want austerity measures.[/QUOTE] Then your people that are in the riots are dumbasses. Greece is in the worst debt of all of EU, what other decisions can they take that you think are more effective than cutting back on every single thing just to slow down the sinking debt.

[QUOTE=the dopest;26537312]not at all, riots are created by the people, and thus endorsed by the people. greeks have had riots against austerity measures in the past year. the riots haven't caused people to suddenly want austerity measures.[/QUOTE] Riots don't do anything besides convince the opposition and people on the fence that they're destructive, antisocial dick wads. I'm sure has hell going to be less likely to consider someone's position after they flip my car over and set it on fire.

you guys realize that not all riots end up with cars flipped over and store windows broken? there are organized riots that try to not have that happen

[QUOTE=the dopest;26537493]you guys realize that not all riots end up with cars flipped over and store windows broken? there are organized riots that try to not have that happen[/QUOTE] ri·ot (rt) n. 1. A wild or turbulent disturbance created by a large number of people. 2. Law A violent disturbance of the public peace by three or more persons assembled for a common purpose.

[QUOTE=the dopest;26537493]you guys realize that not all riots end up with cars flipped over and store windows broken? there are organized riots that try to not have that happen[/QUOTE] Those are what the rest of us call a peaceful protest march.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26537330]Then your people that are in the riots are dumbasses. Greece is in the worst debt of all of EU, what other decisions can they take that you think are more effective than cutting back on every single thing just to slow down the sinking debt.[/QUOTE] i dont live in greece, but cutting costs is pretty effective for the economy, but definitely not for the people. if you were in their shoes right now, you would be mad at the government too. [QUOTE=Mingebox;26537516]ri·ot (rt) n. 1. A wild or turbulent disturbance created by a large number of people. 2. Law A violent disturbance of the public peace by three or more persons assembled for a common purpose.[/QUOTE] the definitions don't define what the disturbance is aimed at. the organized riot i went to planned to assault and take over the government's parliament building, and while it did get violent, the violence was purely aimed at the police protecting the building, and no surrounding buildings were destroyed.

[QUOTE=the dopest;26537637]i dont live in greece, but cutting costs is pretty effective for the economy, but definitely not for the people. if you were in their shoes right now, you would be mad at the government too.[/QUOTE] Then the people need to deal with it and understand why the government is doing this. It is to help recover from the economy. [QUOTE=the dopest;26537637]the definitions don't define what the disturbance is aimed at. the organized riot i went to planned to assault and take over the government's parliament building, and while it did get violent, the violence was purely aimed at the police protecting the building, and no surrounding buildings were destroyed.[/QUOTE] That's called a coup idiot.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26537330]Then you need to get the pro's in for the cause, it's certainly more effective than just going out on the streets and throwing objects. [/QUOTE] You entirely missed the point. I don't think there's a statistic anywhere that says a riot can't change things for the better. At any rate, the point of the riot isn't necessarily to change anything, it's just an anomaly. An anomaly that happens because 99% of the people in the country have no say about what goes on in the country beyond picking the lesser of a few evils in a federal election.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26537677]Then the people need to deal with it and understand why the government is doing this. It is to help recover from the economy. [/quote] its just not that easy. [QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26537677]That's called a coup idiot.[/QUOTE] they weren't planning on overthrowing the government, they just wanted the violence aimed towards the government

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26537677] That's called a coup idiot.[/QUOTE] Actually, a coup is internal to the state, that sounds like just a plain ol' rebellion.

[QUOTE=the dopest;26537713] they weren't planning on overthrowing the government, they just wanted the violence aimed towards the government[/QUOTE] How is attacking a government building or inflicting harm to government members helping policy changing?

[QUOTE=the dopest;26537713] they weren't planning on overthrowing the government, they just wanted the violence aimed towards the government[/QUOTE] So instead of commit violence to overthrow the government, you're committing violence just for the sake of violence and doing nothing?