[QUOTE=LordCrypto;38948448]"ballroom this is big h, we have eyes on target"
"copy that big h--"
"harry, HARRY?! did you remember your lunchbox today"
"yes mother"[/QUOTE]
You do realise his mother is dead, right?
It actually is gratifying to know that the leading people of a country feel the same as the average citizen when their son is sent to war. Maybe politicians would be a little more reserved with war if they actually felt the consequences more heavily.
[QUOTE=Jund;38948378]He could have just shot him in the leg[/QUOTE]
He should have tazed him instead.
[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;38948451]I saw this same sort of response when Osama died and I don't get it. The death of someone isn't an inherently bad thing if it benefits everyone else by ending that person's influence.[/QUOTE]
You don't get to decide what is "inherently bad", unfortunately. The death of a witness whose sole testimony can nail 20 people on the charge of murder and rape would obviously be beneficial for those 20 people. Is it then an "inherently bad" thing to let him live? From their viewpoint, it certainly is.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38948742]It's never really a good idea to believe you have some ability to decide what is inherently good or bad when it comes to killing people.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it's a bit of a mindfuck really.
We've taken on the responsibility of deciding what's 'good' and 'bad' and treat 'death' as this punishment that stops 'bad' things.
It sort of assumes absolute morality and creates the duality that 'death is bad' - but we can't ever remove bad because by creating death, we are creating more 'bad'.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38948742]It's never really a good idea to believe you have some ability to decide what is inherently good or bad when it comes to killing people.
[img]http://www.ushmm.org/propaganda/assets/images/500x/poster-neues-volk.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=demoguy08;38950080]You don't get to decide what is "inherently bad", unfortunately. The death of a witness whose sole testimony can nail 20 people on the charge of murder and rape would obviously be beneficial for those 20 people. Is it then an "inherently bad" thing to let him live? From their viewpoint, it certainly is.[/QUOTE]
Maybe I phrased my original post badly. I'm not trying to claim any sort of authority.
What I mean to say is that I disagree with this view that death is a wholly bad thing and that we should instead look at the consequences of an individual's death before deciding that.
maybe [i]The Sun[/i] being repeated over and over again is the reason this article is so shit
The taliban thought they could make him a target, could hunt him down. But they were fatally mistaken
This is such a dumb thing to publish, at least while he is still over there. Surely this is just going to make certain peoples desire to kill him even higher.
I'm not too sure how a future monarch of your sworn enemy killing any sort of commander goes down..
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38948329]Well, snuffing a [B][U][I]Taliban[/I][/U][/B] commander doesn't seem like a waste.[/QUOTE]
we wouldnt have a taliban if nobody thought killing was acceptable.
do you not get what im saying i'm not looking at it as stopping the bad guy, i'm saying that death is death and it's all terrible no matter what. even if good comes from it, it's still a horrible thing.
[editline]23rd December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;38947924]congratulations on killing someone i guess[/QUOTE]
are people agreeing with this because i'm saying that it's awful to publish something that's basically patting someone on the back for making someone die or do they genuinely think that i was congratulating the guy
if it's the latter then wow.
My monarch will kick the shit out of your monarch HIMSELF
It'd be really bad if "Big H" died over there though. Not saying he's any more special than any other British soldier over there, but I am at the same time.
[QUOTE=Jsm;38950922]This is such a dumb thing to publish, at least while he is still over there. Surely this is just going to make certain peoples desire to kill him even higher.
I'm not too sure how a future monarch of your sworn enemy killing any sort of commander goes down..[/QUOTE]
Well, it'll sure give them instructions on exactly how to properly make a statement.
omg that's horrible!!
why didn't they just use a tazer!!
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;38950951]we wouldnt have a taliban if nobody thought killing was acceptable.
do you not get what im saying i'm not looking at it as stopping the bad guy, i'm saying that death is death and it's all terrible no matter what. even if good comes from it, it's still a horrible thing.
[editline]23rd December 2012[/editline]
are people agreeing with this because i'm saying that it's awful to publish something that's basically patting someone on the back for making someone die or do they genuinely think that i was congratulating the guy
if it's the latter then wow.[/QUOTE]
But we don't live in that world, we live in a material world. Where it is necessary to kill and all people push their ideals forward. Killing each other over lands, wealth and, ideals, like nature intended. Get off your moral high horse and face reality that at the end we are all just things. If you don't like it, kill yourself and pray to whatever god you do or don't believe that the next world is more to your liking.
I honestly thought he was riding around over there in heralded mail, killing terrorists with a mace.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;38950951]we wouldnt have a taliban if nobody thought killing was acceptable.
do you not get what im saying i'm not looking at it as stopping the bad guy, i'm saying that death is death and it's all terrible no matter what. even if good comes from it, it's still a horrible thing.
[editline]23rd December 2012[/editline]
are people agreeing with this because i'm saying that it's awful to publish something that's basically patting someone on the back for making someone die or do they genuinely think that i was congratulating the guy
if it's the latter then wow.[/QUOTE]
Yeah deaths bad
but if it was kill someone to save a hundred or let those hundred die, what decision are you going to make
life isn't ideal and doesn't fit to these ideas you've got
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;38948300]why cant we just have people realize that killing is a waste[/QUOTE]
Why can't we have people like you get your head out of the clouds and realize that warfare isn't going anywhere anytime soon?
Like it or not warfare is here to stay. It is as intrinsic to being 'human' as breathing, browsing porn and farming. We cannot get rid of killing without also getting rid of every last human being on this planet, because as long as there's two people on this world, someone is gonna want someone else dead.[QUOTE=yawmwen;38948781]when you look at life as something with immeasurable value(ya know since you only get one life), it is sad when anyone dies.
you are getting rid of a human being. erasing a lifetime of memories, passions, loves, hates, and ideas. even if you can make the claim that it benefits humanity for someone to die, it doesn't make the death a good thing, just a necessary thing.[/QUOTE]
Not all of us place the same value on every life. Some of us place little to no value on other people, and base this on what those people have done in the world. That's how I see the world. Someone that's done nothing but cause pain and suffering to many thousands of people is someone who's life I wouldn't pay a single lonesome penny to save. Fuck 'em. On the other hand, someone that came out with an HIV vaccine just as effective as every other major vaccine and released it in such a way that it's cheap and piss easy to get? Their life is priceless.
The fact that a Taliban commander got killed would be in the news regardless of who killed him, like the few times before
tbh I think it's awesome we have a prince that still goes into battle
[QUOTE=Jsm;38950922]I'm not too sure how a future monarch of your sworn enemy killing any sort of commander goes down..[/QUOTE]
He's the brother of the future monarch
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38948742]It's never really a good idea to believe you have some ability to decide what is inherently good or bad when it comes to killing people.
[img]http://www.ushmm.org/propaganda/assets/images/500x/poster-neues-volk.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
And while the Nazis decided the Jews were inherently bad and decided to kill them, the Allies decided the Axis were inherently bad and decided to kill them. Are you saying we shouldn't have done that?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;38951839]Yeah deaths bad
but if it was kill someone to save a hundred or let those hundred die, what decision are you going to make
life isn't ideal and doesn't fit to these ideas you've got[/QUOTE]
i'm not criticizing that someone shot a member of the taliban i'm criticizing how it's reported. i understand the difference between ideals and reality im not dumb im sayin that there's no point in making a news article saying "wow look at him go shootin up the taliban" like it's something to feel good about, no matter how many people it protects.
death is bad. sometimes it's necessary but that doesn't mean it should be viewed as a job well done.
[editline]24th December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=TestECull;38951859]Why can't we have people like you get your head out of the clouds and realize that warfare isn't going anywhere anytime soon?
Like it or not warfare is here to stay. It is as intrinsic to being 'human' as breathing, browsing porn and farming. We cannot get rid of killing without also getting rid of every last human being on this planet, because as long as there's two people on this world, someone is gonna want someone else dead.[/QUOTE]
you misunderstand me
[editline]24th December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=redshift2234;38951807]But we don't live in that world, we live in a material world. Where it is necessary to kill and all people push their ideals forward. Killing each other over lands, wealth and, ideals, like nature intended. Get off your moral high horse and face reality that at the end we are all just things. If you don't like it, kill yourself and pray to whatever god you do or don't believe that the next world is more to your liking.[/QUOTE]
dude ur harshin my mellow chill out and feel my words you seriously need to do a re-read cuz i think ya skimmed
[QUOTE=Charybdis;38951899]The fact that a Taliban commander got killed would be in the news regardless of who killed him, like the few times before
tbh I think it's awesome we have a prince that still goes into battle
He's the brother of the future monarch[/QUOTE]
They refereed to it as "commander level", that could be anything there's many levels. He might not have been that important.
Also, technically he is a future monarch, he just may never live to take over.
[QUOTE=Jsm;38952651]They refereed to it as "commander level", that could be anything there's many levels. He might not have been that important.
Also, technically he is a[B] future monarch[/B], he just may never live to take over.[/QUOTE]
quantum future monarch in a currently uncollapsed state.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;38950951]we wouldnt have a taliban if nobody thought killing was acceptable.
do you not get what im saying i'm not looking at it as stopping the bad guy, i'm saying that death is death and it's all terrible no matter what. even if good comes from it, it's still a horrible thing.
[editline]23rd December 2012[/editline]
are people agreeing with this because i'm saying that it's awful to publish something that's basically patting someone on the back for making someone die or do they genuinely think that i was congratulating the guy
if it's the latter then wow.[/QUOTE]
I'd congratulate him, I don't think all death is bad.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38948329]Well, snuffing a [B][U][I]Taliban[/I][/U][/B] commander doesn't seem like a waste.[/QUOTE]
so much money into the military, and we use it to kill people
[QUOTE=Madtoker;38952969]so much money into the military, and we use it to kill people[/QUOTE]
While I agree there are [i]far[/i] better ways money could be spent, I don't like the way you're oversimplifying things.
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;38952801]I'd congratulate him, I don't think all death is bad.[/QUOTE]
I do. I honestly think that if we can educate properly and get backwards ideals behind us then we've got a chance to stop pointless violence for a large part. It's not even as far fetched as it might come off, education is the solution to everything. It would take centuries to pull off tho.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;38948054]This is causing a great inner-conflict for me.
Do i rate the OP winner for "congrats harry", Friendly for "someone died now" or "funny" because this is an actual news story[/QUOTE]
Soldiers go to war knowing they will die, taliban are still soldiers. as the old saying goes, live by the gun, die by the gun.
Though, you should never celebrate a death, anyones death.
I think he earn an Assist instead of a kill score. That kill does not count
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