Ubuntu to be integrated into Windows 10 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Michael haxz;50032884]How so, Grub UEFI is some pretty sweet stuff atm[/QUOTE] Well the instructions went from "Install Windows and save some space, Install Ubuntu on remaining space" to [url=http://askubuntu.com/a/228069/65775]this[/url]. [Editline]30th March[/Editline] Seems like 15.04+ fixed it, although I wonder how this applies to other distros.

e: dammit ninja'd

So this isn't dual boot, how exactly will this work?

I guess it's that time of a year again. (1st April, a bit early maybe)

They just confirmed it at their conference.

[QUOTE=cody8295;50034028]So this isn't dual boot, how exactly will this work?[/QUOTE] Its just porting certain tools. Its not like literally installing Ubuntu to where you'd have unity and xorg/Wayland. This already sort of exist with mingw

I can't wait to be able to use Wine in Windows to be able to use Windows programs in Windows! [sp]Although that's mostly a joke, a ton of 98/ME/XP games and programs run in Wine but not in Windows Vista onward.[/sp]

Does this mean we can all drop out of college because of Ubuntu?

[QUOTE=Wii60;50032701][url]http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-and-canonical-partner-to-bring-ubuntu-to-windows-10/[/url][/QUOTE] Part of the reason of getting away from windows is because its just such a cluster of things that aren't really needed and now they are combing them? Alright. Won't that kinda just keep the problem but give it a nice new interface..

[QUOTE=Passing;50034343]Part of the reason of getting away from windows is because its just such a cluster of things that aren't really needed and now they are combing them? Alright. Won't that kinda just keep the problem but give it a nice new interface..[/QUOTE] From what it looks like, it wont give you a new interface but mostly a proper UNIX-like CLI Environment. This is pretty much every developer's wet dream, especially in Web Development. If you do anything in webdev, the vast vast majority of tools assume that you either run a Linux variant or OSX. Windows support is often an afterthought, as it's simply too different compared to Linux and OSX, and the CLI Environment in Native windows is the equivalent of a drolling baby. (Yes I know there's powershell, and yes I know it's powerful, however it's also insanely complicated and is as far away from conventional CLI Environments as a shell can be). However, as a regular user, you most likely won't really see that much change (I'd love to be wrong and see them port over more than the CLI Tools, and a Proper UNIX Environment and Directory Structure).

[QUOTE=DrTaxi;50033890]I guess this is from the insider build they mentioned? [media]https://twitter.com/ow/status/715210794645000192[/media][/QUOTE] Honestly this is all I miss when I'm using my home PC after a day of my work Macbook. Proper Bash support in Windows is dire. MSys works okay, MSys 2 certainly fixed some issues with it. But I want it actually integrated into the OS properly dammit.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;50033804]Not really surprising, you can't just magically make their alien ABIs suddenly work together when even Linux distros with the same executable format need their own builds.[/QUOTE] Actually that's exactly what they are doing, they are supporting the Linux syscalls in a Windows subsystem, in theory allowing any Linux binary to run. In reality, there are going to be some issues, I'm sure. The closest parallel I can think of is the Linux layer in FreeBSD, which works on much the same principle. What they are doing is shipping an Ubuntu userland on Windows, which is then able to run under the NT kernel, it's kinda GNU/NT I guess.

Yep, Nietzsche was right. God is truly dead.

[QUOTE=GayIlluminati;50032767]Didn't see that coming. Such a pity that win 10 sucks in it's current state.[/QUOTE] Ubuntu is getting integrated into Windows 10 and people still find a reason to complain about Windows 10.

[QUOTE=Keychain;50034566]Ubuntu is getting integrated into Windows 10 and people still find a reason to complain about Windows 10.[/QUOTE] Even though a lot of people will probably update just because of this announcement (myself included) it doesn't invalidate all of the complaints that people have about Windows 10.

[QUOTE=ben1066;50034534]Actually that's exactly what they are doing, they are supporting the Linux syscalls in a Windows subsystem, in theory allowing any Linux binary to run. In reality, there are going to be some issues, I'm sure. The closest parallel I can think of is the Linux layer in FreeBSD, which works on much the same principle. What they are doing is shipping an Ubuntu userland on Windows, which is then able to run under the NT kernel, it's kinda GNU/NT I guess.[/QUOTE] How well is the FreeBSD's linux layer working?

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;50034458]That already exists[/QUOTE] I'd love a link to it then; as far as I know, it's only for Mac and Linux. (And no, DOSBox does not cover all the applications accessible with Wine.)

So some more information came out [url]http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html?m=1[/url] Looks like it's just the terminal? There goes my hopes of getting rid of Windows 10, but still using Windows apps. (No WINE doesn't count, as it's p much awful) [editline]30th March 2016[/editline] I should note that it's great nonetheless, but I kind-of had my hopes set on getting rid of Windows 10 once and for all.

[QUOTE=Asgard;50035232]So some more information came out [url]http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html?m=1[/url] Looks like it's just the terminal? There goes my hopes of getting rid of Windows 10, but still using Windows apps. (No WINE doesn't count, as it's p much awful)[/QUOTE] bash is still incredibly useful. it's a dynamic linux call to windows call layer based on a ms research project and it could theoretically be extended to any linux binary.

[QUOTE=Asgard;50035232]So some more information came out [url]http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html?m=1[/url] Looks like it's just the terminal? There goes my hopes of getting rid of Windows 10, but still using Windows apps. (No WINE doesn't count, as it's p much awful) [editline]30th March 2016[/editline] I should note that it's great nonetheless, but I kind-of had my hopes set on getting rid of Windows 10 once and for all.[/QUOTE] Just the terminal? [quote] * With full access to all of Ubuntu user space * Yes, that means apt, ssh, rsync, find, grep, awk, sed, sort, xargs, md5sum, gpg, curl, wget, apache, mysql, python, perl, ruby, php, gcc, tar, vim, emacs, diff, patch... * And most of the tens of thousands binary packages available in the Ubuntu archives! [/quote] [quote] basically perform real time translation of Linux syscalls into Windows OS syscalls. [/quote] That is some actual really hot shit, and as a developer/sysadmin this has gigantic implications.

[QUOTE=kaukassus;50035347]Just the terminal? That is some actual really hot shit, and as a developer/sysadmin this has gigantic implications.[/QUOTE] Yes, that's true. It's still going to be awesome. I just wish I could use the Ubuntu environment exclusively, and then run the Windows-specific tools I need on it. Such as Visual Studio, or Unity Engine. Unless WINE has improved there's still a lot of issue with being a game developer in a linux environment. Nonetheless, it's going to be incredible to have access to apt :v:

This is more or less my dream coming true. After coming home from work where I'm hooked on an connection to a Linux server throughout most of the day I miss having the utility while sitting at my Windows gaming rig.

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50035366]Now you know why I was losing my shit over in CIPWTTKT about this. Even though it's just the terminal and a full Ubuntu user space... God damn that's something that nobody expected.[/QUOTE] Well, I did initially think that they would just fork the bash and other coreutils code and create a native port for each of those. I'd never think that they would go as far as making a proper linux -> windows syscall translation layer, along with a fully functioning ubuntu userland. This also means proper SSH Server/Client on Windows.

This is awesome, I'm already using zsh as my windows shell with cygwin, but having apt and the ubuntu repos will be awesome.

[QUOTE=WhyNott;50034693]How well is the FreeBSD's linux layer working?[/QUOTE] It's usually unnecessary due to POSIX compliance meaning that most software will just compile and work under FreeBSD, if requiring some tweaking. But from what I've heard, it works somewhat often.

It's not going to be really "integrated". It's really more like a reverse-wine the way I see it. You still don't really benefit from what makes Linux Linux, but there's some really cool stuff going on at the moment. I wouldn't use this on a server, when I can just use LDAP and Postfix and cover 99% of customer needs at 10% of the performance requirements.

Reverse-wine is already a thing. Would it be possible to use Debian as opposed to Ubuntu? Tired of Canonical more than all the stuff MS has pulled.

Next thing you know we're going to start seeing MS Edge on Linux

So we will be able to use any linux command line program within command prompt?

[QUOTE=kaukassus;50035405]This also means proper SSH Server/Client on Windows.[/QUOTE] Yep, god I've been asking for that for so long. It's a pain in the fucking ass being a network engineer on Windows.