• Opinion: "Why I'm keeping my Windows XP machine"
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[QUOTE=tirpider;41774919]And "the rest of us" cares because? I also use a spoon or fork to stir things in the kitchen. Not because I have anything against electric hand mixers, but because I like the rhythmic experience. Does "the rest of us" care about that? Should it?[/QUOTE] Because by staying in 2003 you are tying up valuable resources because you are using a 10-year old OS that therefore has to be supported. Resources that could be used to make more recent or wider used products better. And there is no reason to upgrade to win7 unless there's program incompatability, you're using 2000 tech or you're really, really cheap.
[QUOTE=DVH;41776385]Because by staying in 2003 you are tying up valuable resources because you are using a 10-year old OS that therefore has to be supported. Resources that could be used to make more recent or wider used products better. And there is no reason to upgrade to win7 unless there's program incompatability, you're using 2000 tech or you're really, really cheap.[/QUOTE] I dare any one to try to support my XP installs! Their effort will be met with a pit bull and lots of swearing. It will end in tears. MS support of XP is done. So .. who is supposed to support it now? The only folks I can think of is web developers needing to write for an old version of IE. My previous encounters with site support people has led me to believe they don't care to do that. Meh. I don't get paid to look at websites, so I don't care (and this dinky chrome thing seems to be doing ok, for now.) Most of the internet is full of ass and lies anyway... it won't be missed. Just because someone is using an old tool doesn't mean the industry has to grind to a halt to run at the pace of it's least common denominator. There is no international law of computing that dictates that every user must be using the latest (or competitively similar,) hardware and software. The industry is not the boss of me. Planned obsolescence will ensure that there will be plenty of old hardware (to use my old software on,) waiting for me at the thrift store. The local Habitat for Humanity recently had a pile of 20 old CRT's for a dollar each. I fought the urge to snatch them up. So, I have all three of your conditions for not upgrading from XP... old software that is known to have issues in vista and 7 (don't know about 8 yet,) old clunky hardware (I'm sure I could find some kind of driver solution, so this isn't really a reason,) an I am cheap. I already bought this stuff.. why buy it again when I don't need to? Because the people on the internet won't approve? lol.. right.
[QUOTE=tirpider;41777770]MS support of XP is done. So .. who is supposed to support it now? The only folks I can think of is web developers needing to write for an old version of IE. My previous encounters with site support people has led me to believe they don't care to do that. Meh. I don't get paid to look at websites, so I don't care (and this dinky chrome thing seems to be doing ok, for now.) Most of the internet is full of ass and lies anyway... it won't be missed.[/QUOTE] What is this? This is words with no order or sense, what the fuck are you trying to convey here? Christ. Anyway, assuming I understood it enough, web developers can't be bothered to support all the way back to XP because IE back on XP is a fuck farce, it doesn't understand standards, like a loose cannon cop who doesn't play by the rules, but retarded instead of actually good. Chrome, Firefox, Opera, as long as you install a modern version you aren't being a pain in the ass. It's people still on IE < IE10 that are the problem.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;41777843]What is this? This is words with no order or sense, what the fuck are you trying to convey here? Christ. Anyway, assuming I understood it enough, web developers can't be bothered to support all the way back to XP because IE back on XP is a fuck farce, it doesn't understand standards, like a loose cannon cop who doesn't play by the rules, but retarded instead of actually good. Chrome, Firefox, Opera, as long as you install a modern version you aren't being a pain in the ass. It's people still on IE < IE10 that are the problem.[/QUOTE] I was responding to the silly notion that somehow, valuable resources were being wasted on supporting an old OS. The only way I can see that as being valid is if someone is handling IE8 and lower compatibility issues. (I agree, it sucks.) If supporting old IE (or XP even,) hurts your butt, then don't do it.
[QUOTE=tirpider;41777958]I was responding to the silly notion that somehow, valuable resources were being wasted on supporting an old OS. The only way I can see that as being valid is if someone is handling IE8 and lower compatibility issues. (I agree, it sucks.) If supporting old IE (or XP even,) hurts your butt, then don't do it.[/QUOTE] "Not doing it" doesn't really fly when you've got customers who use it but refuse to upgrade or use better browsers (most of the school and bank system). So you have to code applications to use old shit that was phased out, or design websites with tons of support hacks for browsers that should have died long ago. All in the name of actually staying in business.
[QUOTE=tirpider;41777770]old software that is known to have issues in vista and 7[/QUOTE] Most of the time, these issues can be resolved by doing one or both of these things: • Running as administrator (as in right click, run as admin, click Yes to the UAC prompt) • Installing to somewhere other than Program Files (even something like C:\Thing works) You're sure that even with both of these measures taken, the software doesn't work in Win7? Because if not, that's weird as shit.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;41778038]"Not doing it" doesn't really fly when you've got customers who use it but refuse to upgrade or use better browsers (most of the school and bank system). So you have to code applications to use old shit that was phased out, or design websites with tons of support hacks for browsers that should have died long ago. All in the name of actually staying in business.[/QUOTE] If support for their equipment is dropped, they will get new equipment. Announce a year in advance so the less literate of your clients can have it read to them. (Wal Mart, for example, does this with distribution all the time. If you want to sell to or buy from them, you WILL meet their requirements every time they change them. If you don't, they drop you. It's hard to say no to them when your entire business relies on them as a buyer.) Or the clients will go find someone willing to go through the drudgery of writing the same code twice so that it works on the stuff they have no budget to replace. It's kinda been like that forever. As a developer, I would push to find more lucrative clients with flashy new stuff and drop the cheapskate Luddites. If this is an unprofitable option, then I guess it just sucks to be chained to the whims of commerce. As a hobbyist, these issues concern me not. If I got paid to code, then I'd be inclined to actually buy into and learn something modern and efficient. But for free work with only a handful of users.. who cares but me, right? -edit [QUOTE=lavacano;41778069]Most of the time, these issues can be resolved by doing one or both of these things: • Running as administrator (as in right click, run as admin, click Yes to the UAC prompt) • Installing to somewhere other than Program Files (even something like C:\Thing works) You're sure that even with both of these measures taken, the software doesn't work in Win7? Because if not, that's weird as shit.[/QUOTE] Both seem like sound things to try. I haven't because I don't have the OS to try it on. What I am going on is the number user support group messages with titles like "It won't work on xxxx, help!" I just don't want the hassle when the software works fine on XP with no special steps needed. The more I have to fiddle with something, then that's more things that can break later. I'm not the sharpest when it comes to setting things up. Beyond the technicalities of setting up the environment (I'd still be targeting XP, because users) I'd have to explore all the nook and cranny junk MS loves to cram in and start all over, figuring out what I can remove/disable/uninstall without making the system puke, and figuring out what I have to live with. Much like supporting an ancient OS, getting a new one (when it's un-needed or wanted) is just annoying.
[QUOTE=tirpider;41774919]And "the rest of us" cares because? I also use a spoon or fork to stir things in the kitchen. Not because I have anything against electric hand mixers, but because I like the rhythmic experience. Does "the rest of us" care about that? Should it?[/QUOTE] I care because of people who still use a 10 year old OS and bitch that they're being left behind. They're slowing shit down for the rest of us. Have to make sure your game supports DX9 despite only a fraction of your userbase having it. I don't care if you use XP provided you don't bitch about the rest of the world moving on.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;41780070]I care because of people who still use a 10 year old OS and bitch that they're being left behind. They're slowing shit down for the rest of us. Have to make sure your game supports DX9 despite only a fraction of your userbase having it. I don't care if you use XP provided you don't bitch about the rest of the world moving on.[/QUOTE] I remember people losing their shit that Just Cause 2 didn't support XP. And this wasn't a discussion on the launch day, this was a couple months ago. Seriously? Your OS is over a decade old, and your pissy that a game dev decided to stop supporting that OS to use DX10? Can't say that I feel any empathy when Windows 7 has been in the spotlight for nearly 4 years.
[QUOTE=Arthamus;41712176]My old high school has computers that came pre-installed with Windows 7, and you could tell because of the stickers on them. They replaced it with Windows XP.[/QUOTE] My school does it, sucks ass.
[QUOTE=bdd458;41780338]My school does it, sucks ass.[/QUOTE] My old high school did it. I guess, whatever. Made those Core 2 Duos fly though. :v: Now I have a new workplace, that actually has a somewhat competent IT department. Interestingly, they did the exact opposite of what you would expect. They upgraded old Pentium 4 machines with Nvidia geforce 6200 graphics to Win 7. Fortunately, they have 3 GB of RAM so its not miserable. But when Aero is enabled, it does some really weird shit. Like it must render every frame despite that its not powerful enough to do it in real time, so it will lag behind your mouse by several seconds. Fortunately, disabling transparency speeds it up by 3000 times.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;41780070]I care because of people who still use a 10 year old OS and bitch that they're being left behind. They're slowing shit down for the rest of us. Have to make sure your game supports DX9 despite only a fraction of your userbase having it. I don't care if you use XP provided you don't bitch about the rest of the world moving on.[/QUOTE] It's simple. Drop it and move on. Hearing folks bitch about things that don't affect them is boring.
[QUOTE=Durrsly;41726532]Cloudflare and/or Garry won't even let IE 1-5 access it.[/QUOTE] [img]http://puu.sh/3YzRE/258d288677.png[/img] Seems I have corrected you.
[img]http://imgfox.se/photos/20130810137615937190591.png[/img] do i win yet
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