[QUOTE=Nyaos;19752717]That isn't do much what he is doing, it's the painting the GOP is making to warp reality and try to win back the congress. And it's working. People believe what they hear unfortunately.
As far as his promises, what exactly are you looking for?[/QUOTE]
Don't get me wrong, I support him and hope that he can get things done but it scares that he's been office for almost a year and doesn't have any major accomplishments yet. I think most of it's the GOP's fault, but he should be able to rise above that. He still has three years left, so I guess a lot could change.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;19752834]Don't get me wrong, I support him and hope that he can get things done but it scares that he's been office for almost a year and doesn't have any major accomplishments yet. I think most of it's the GOP's fault, but he should be able to rise above that. He still has three years left, so I guess a lot could change.[/QUOTE]
I think you overestimate how much power the president actually has.
[QUOTE=MR-X;19752774]As president he needs to be on top of this, all i see is "it isn't obama's fault" and lets point fingers at the other guy and blame him. This isn't new for a president, previous presidents delt with iraq, iran, N korea. This isn't the first economic depression in the U.S other presidents dealt with it, so i don't feel sorry for him.[/QUOTE]
There are three branches of government. If Obama could fix everything alone then why would we need the Judicial or Legislative branches? You know what? The first depression wasn't dealt with. That's why it happened in the first place. They just let it pass thinking no action was better than messing with it.
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[QUOTE=DamagePoint;19752834]Don't get me wrong, I support him and hope that he can get things done but it scares that he's been office for almost a year and doesn't have any major accomplishments yet. I think most of it's the GOP's fault, but he should be able to rise above that. He still has three years left, so I guess a lot could change.[/QUOTE]
Would have reformed a terrible health care system if it wasn't for obstructionism and confronted the worst economic collapse in 70 years with many actions... that's not enough? Do you think the president can just pull success out of his ass?
Maybe I'm just expecting too much. I still have faith in the guy though.
[QUOTE=Melkor;19752876]I think you overestimate how much power the president actually has.[/QUOTE]
yea, especially with the amazingly divided democrat party.
Oh dear. Another pointless shit-fest debate about the president, sparked by something that was an "opinion" to begin with...
Clearly facepunch can't handle politics.
[QUOTE=OvB;19753036]Oh dear. Another pointless shit-fest debate about the president, sparked by something that was an "opinion" to begin with...
Clearly facepunch can't handle politics.[/QUOTE]
Please don't tell me you [i]just[/i] realized this?
[QUOTE=OvB;19753036]Oh dear. Another pointless shit-fest debate about the president, sparked by something that was an "opinion" to begin with...
Clearly facepunch can't handle politics.[/QUOTE]
this is better than my conversation with most people. At least people here will debate, some republicans I know just scream at me and don't listen at all when politics comes up.
[QUOTE=OvB;19753036]Oh dear. Another pointless shit-fest debate about the president, sparked by something that was an "opinion" to begin with...
Clearly facepunch can't handle politics.[/QUOTE]
Think there should be a subsection to "In The News" so we can have these sort of debates?
Facepunch COULD (I strongly emphasize could) have logical, thought-out debates if everyone wasn't trying to troll the other side of the argument the fuck out. Seriously, if we weren't loathing each other, we could probably solve have the world's problems.
Who the fuck am I kidding?
[QUOTE=MR-X;19752486] The only thing he managed to do is spend more money then bush has and giving government total control. [/QUOTE]
1. The president doesn't have the power to allocate funds. That power belongs solely to congress so your first statement, aside from being in accurate in spirit is also inaccurate in fact. TARP and AIG bailouts alone under bush roughly equal what [B]the government under obama[/B] (as oppose to Obama himself) has spent.
2. President Obama hasn't even approached the degree to which executive power was expanded during the Bush administration. Bush, through the Yoo memos on torture actually claims that in addition to the executive having the power to make treaties, he also has the power to interpret them as broadly has he wants, giving him almost absolute power. Cheney actually redefined the office of the Vice President to be considered neither executive nor legislative, for the purpose of avoiding inquiry into his actions leading up to 9-11 (specifically his disregarding of the Richard Clark memos titled "Bin Laden determined to attack within US). As for Obama, You can't say "He's done nothing but expand his own power" because he would actually need to [B]do[/B] something other than support legislation that fits his agenda. By limiting his own power he is effectively undoing the precedent set by the Bush administration.
[QUOTE=Musicfreak59;19753102]Think there should be a subsection to "In The News" so we can have these sort of debates?
Facepunch COULD (I strongly emphasize could) have logical, thought-out debates if everyone wasn't trying to troll the other side of the argument the fuck out. Seriously, if we weren't loathing each other, we could probably solve have the world's problems.
Who the fuck am I kidding?[/QUOTE]
Was there a politics sub/custom section somewhere that never got any attention?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19753066]Please don't tell me you [i]just[/i] realized this?[/QUOTE]
emperor scorpious posts this everyone
please everyone note this down in a new column called hypocricy
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19753066]Please don't tell me you [I]just[/I] realized this?[/QUOTE]
I remember back in 06-07 there were a bunch of threads going around like: "LOL, America" which featured the OP bashing America. Shit ensued. Then, not to long after, a thread titled: "LOL, Britain" came up. Facepunch has always had sore politicians.
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[QUOTE=Musicfreak59;19753102]Think there should be a subsection to "In The News" so we can have these sort of debates?[/QUOTE]
Not really. I just felt like stating the obvious.
[QUOTE=MR-X;19752486]No actually i was for obama at first, i was rooting for him during the election process. I dislike him now, just like many others.
He had a 70-80 percent approval at first and now he is down to 30-40 percent. So stop with the "YOUR PICKING ON MY PRESIDENT YOU JERK" arguments and stop calling people bandwagoners. God forbid people have differing opinions. And the whole "lol obama is doing bad because of bush's previous stuff" when in fact obama hasn't changed shit, he is still using bush's policies. The only thing he managed to do is spend more money then bush has and giving government total control. Maybe i'll change my opinion later when i see him do something worth while, but i'm not going to say he is a good president because he has good "ideas" and plans. I want to see this in action, not just talk..which by the way he been talking for too long. Get to work already. I know he isn't superman but i would just like to see something good come from him sometime this year.[/QUOTE]
Rated artistic because of how you creatively distorted the truth. :eng101:
[QUOTE=MR-X;19752246]That is why it is called Corporate media, it is all biased. No such thing as unbiased news. It is the job of the viewer to look at all sides and make his/her own opinion of the situation.
This whole "lol fox is bias" argument is getting old. Just because they're bias doesn't mean the news is inaccurate. I'm just talking as a generalization, not necessarily for this article.[/QUOTE]
Fox sells itself as being the unbias source and everyone believes it. Telling us that it's our job (which IT IS) is just an excuse to continue shitty bias reporting.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;19753242]Fox sells itself as being the unbias source and everyone believes it. Telling us that it's our job (which IT IS) is just an excuse to continue shitty bias reporting.[/QUOTE]
So much for journalistic integrity......glad we don't get anything like fox here in the UK but the newspapers over here are savages!
[QUOTE=MR-X;19752774]As president he needs to be on top of this, all i see is "it isn't obama's fault" and lets point fingers at the other guy and blame him. This isn't new for a president, previous presidents delt with iraq, iran, N korea. This isn't the first economic depression in the U.S other presidents dealt with it, so i don't feel sorry for him.[/QUOTE]
I believe we're actually involved in two ill advised wars at the moment. It's not just "[B]Dealing[/B]" with them, we're actually nation-building.
Also, you're right, this isn't the first economic depression in U.S. history. There have actually been between 6 and 10 depending on who you ask. The "Great" depression was the worst, but only by a slim margin. Many Presidents have acted many different ways, and sometimes have actually made it much worse. Here are examples:
1807-1814: Jefferson kicked off this trade related depression by pushing the embargo act through congress, bringing America's trade based economy to a grinding halt. It was repealed but then the war of 1812 led to a british blockade that prolonged the depression until 1814. Fixed by winning the war of 1812.
1817: Madison's creation of a second bank of the US was led to an (at most times responsible) tightening of credit, an apparent repair of the irresponsible lending practices of state and local banks of the time, that caused debtors to default on their obligations and an eventual run on the banks. Fixed by doing nothing, just needed to wait for state banks to fail and currency to stabilize.
1837: Jackson screwed the pooch by killing the bank of the US and passing specie circular (an effort to curb speculative fever by requiring land to be paid for with gold). This led to unstable, devalued currency. Van Buren made it worse by trying to create an independent treasury.
1865: Post civil war: self explanatory
1893-1901: Epic depression caused by failing of several railroads and the subsequent collapse of the stock market. Transportation of goods was too expensive affecting nearly every sector of the economy. Cleveland did jack shit, delayed recovery.
1929: stock market crash caused by buying on margin+Agriculture fucked by dust bowl+Foreign markets gone because of world wide depression = The perfect economic shitstorm: Caused by hoover's inability to act, FDR stretches his executive power to achieve his ends. Luckily he was a [B]good[/B] president.
1970s: super inflation
1980s: overreaction to 70s inflation, caused interest rates to climb to 20% screwing anyone who was in significant debt and making borrowing impossible. Reagan created inverse crisis. Combined with "reaganomics" (trickledown principles and soforth) prevented any economic or social mobility whatsoever.
2001: 9-11 fucks shit up. Draws us into 2 wars. Interest rates were brought incredibly low as short range 90s bonds (wildly issued by the fed under clinton to preserve economic boom) were being exchanged. US Deficit quadruples and debt triples in four years. Mostly Bush's fault for being retarded and initiating deficit war spending when interest rates were low.
Now: Clinton's forced low income housing initiatives come back to bite us as more people default on mortgages than could have been predicted. Financial firms had been goosing the value of the CDOs (centralized debt obligations) by lumping in bad mortgages with good ones in order to receive higher ratings. Basically they put sprinkles on shit and said it was a cupcake. Anyway, this ties the market with the banks who are now out for the mortgages and the CDOs. AIG goes bankrupt because they fucking invented credit default swaps which is basically insurance for if your investment fails. So they go bankrupt because everyone goes to collect at once. Banks have no credit, businesses can't borrow, they then have to lay people off, people then can't pay their mortgages or buy shit from the businesses. Then it just goes down and down in a shit spiral.
TL;DR: Obama isn't the first president to deal with an economic depression, but that doesn't mean that what he's done so far is wrong.
Facepunch needs more posts like this.
[QUOTE=Jewsus;19753239]Rated artistic because of how you creatively distorted the truth. :eng101:[/QUOTE]
Thanks. I try.
[QUOTE=Soldier32;19752268]Oh, you're just another bandwagoner that hates Obama. Makes sense.[/QUOTE]
It's funny how people on that bandwagon were some of the ones that thought he was amazing before he was elected.
Especially if you think about how he did and is doing exactly what he said he was going to do.
This is from the opinion section, idiot.
[QUOTE=MR-X;19752246]Just because they're bias doesn't mean the news is inaccurate.[/QUOTE]
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Yes, we all know Fox still pulls batshit insane crap out of their asses.
Also, Reagan was the financial establishment's Washington lapdog and his presidency was one of the most corrupt in history.
[QUOTE=thisispain;19757098]holy fuck really?[/QUOTE]
yea i kno wierd rite?
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;19757138]Yes, we all know Fox still pulls batshit insane crap out of their asses.
Also, Reagan was the financial establishment's Washington lapdog and his presidency was one of the most corrupt in history.[/QUOTE]
No, Grant's was the most corrupt
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19757206]No, Grant's was the most corrupt[/QUOTE]
My name's Grant... :frown:
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19757206]No, Grant's was the most corrupt[/QUOTE]
He didn't say the most. He said one of the most.
Arguable but still,
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