UK Parliament approves raising tuition fees cap to £9,000 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Passerby Silver;26586396]Sadly, my family and I right now wouldn't have enough for me to study abroad, and the thing is, I wanted to go into British Politics and general Politics, the best place to learn about the British Political system is probably a British University. Well, I'm going to keep on looking for a way to go to a Uni, but right now things seem pretty hopeless for me :sigh:[/QUOTE] Come to Scotland. At least until the government inevitably decide to give us fees too. And make them 6x higher.

[QUOTE=dvondrake;26586388]Don't you guys have student loans and federal grants and stuff? My tuition in the states is pretty high but it's about $500 short of being completely covered by grants, then for that I just have it going to a student loan which I'll pay eventually. I understand nobody wants higher tuition rates, but ours are a lot higher in the US already, so [B]I'm not sure why the big fuss if others have it worse than you.[/B] (Assuming you have loans and grants, if not then I'm truly sorry and feel for you) Either way, flipping cars upside down always solves all of my problems. Have at it.[/QUOTE] The cost of living in the UK is significantly higher than in the US. VAT (sales tax to you) is set to increase to 20% in January for christ's sake

[QUOTE=cheesedelux;26586431]Come to Scotland. At least until the government inevitably decide to give us fees too. And make them 6x higher.[/QUOTE] Not a bad idea, I'll keep in-mind going to Uni somewhere like Scotland or Wales. Thanks!

This whole thing is so annoying. Im a student and am going to uni next year probably. However i dont see this as such a bad thing, if you think about it less people wil go to university and therefore degrees will gain back the strength that they are meant to hold, i mean right now pretty much everyone has a degree. Anyway i see and fully understand why theres all these protests, but that guy that was just on the news? "We are from the slums of london, EMA is all thats keeping us from dealing drugs on the street. How are we ment to pay for university" WTF, Has he even looked into university? does he not know that you only pay back once you have a job earning over 21k and even then its only like £10 a month i mean common / Rant

[QUOTE=Passerby Silver;26586453]Not a bad idea, I'll keep in-mind going to Uni somewhere like Scotland or Wales. Thanks![/QUOTE] if you aren't scottish or welsh you will be paying to go to uni there

I don't get why people are saying "waa, I don't get to go to Uni now". Alright, yes, the increase is a bit of a dick move, but the fact is that it is still affordable to go to Uni - you take a student loan, as per usual, and you pay it back when you start earning a certain amount. Yeah, when you do actually start paying it back it will be a bit of a bitch, but the fact is that it's not going to force you into poverty. In other words, yeah, it's a kick in the arse in the long term, but in the short term it makes little difference. N.B. I'm not defending the increase, just questioning why people think it will prevent them from being able to go to uni.

[QUOTE=^-^;26586332]20...15? Shouldn't it be 2014. Hopefully Cameron will get caught having gay sex or something so we can act all "Oh no not GAY" and call another general election.[/QUOTE] Coalition is introducing fixed five-year parliaments.

My dog could run the country than these wankers.

I thought the whole idea of a coalition was that the smaller party of the coalition was in a position to regulate the behaviour of the bigger one. Clegg can say "we didn't win outright, so not all of our policies can be implemented" but not one single fucking one has been put into place yet. I don't understand why Clegg even joined the Tories, because he didn't really get any 'power' out of it, as none of the Lib Dem campaign principles are represented in this government. All the Lib Dems are doing is keeping the Tories in power. It may as well be a Conservative majoritarian government.

[QUOTE=smurfy;26586490]Coalition is introducing fixed five-year parliaments.[/QUOTE] they have been introduced already

[QUOTE=dvondrake;26586388]Don't you guys have student loans and federal grants and stuff? My tuition in the states is pretty high but it's about $500 short of being completely covered by grants, then for that I just have it going to a student loan which I'll pay eventually. I understand nobody wants higher tuition rates, but ours are a lot higher in the US already, so I'm not sure why the big fuss if others have it worse than you. (Assuming you have loans and grants, if not then I'm truly sorry and feel for you) Either way, flipping cars upside down always solves all of my problems. Have at it.[/QUOTE] Universities in England are partly funded by the Government and partly by fees. They are entirely covered by government provided student loans which are paid back once people starting earning a certain amount a year. Apparently the problem comes with the private loans people have to take out just to get by.

[QUOTE=David29;26586477]N.B. I'm not defending the increase, just questioning why people think it will prevent them from being able to go to uni.[/QUOTE] I see where you're coming from. In many cases it's more that people feel that they have to do something 'safe' at university. For example, I was planning on studying film, but see it as a huge risk now.

[QUOTE=toxicpiano;26586473]if you aren't scottish or welsh you will be paying to go to uni there[/QUOTE] Oh alright.

[QUOTE=toxicpiano;26586521]they have been introduced already[/QUOTE] What? No [url]http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2010-11/fixedtermparliaments.html[/url] They're introducing elections scheduled and fixed at five year intervals and removing the power of the prime minster and government to decide when to dissolve parliament.

[QUOTE=smurfy;26586555]What? No [url]http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2010-11/fixedtermparliaments.html[/url] They're introducing elections scheduled and fixed at five year intervals and removing the power of the prime minster and government to decide when to dissolve parliament.[/QUOTE] ah i think i confused the coalition agreement with it going into law

My advice to people thinking of going to university who will be subject to these fee's, it is not worth it. This pretty much makes any subject apart from the traditional ones such as science and math's etc, completly over priced for the education you will receive. I do computer science at my uni, I think about quitting every day, it is not worth it. Also, these fee rises are meant to pay for the serious cuts in teaching (apart from science teaching). So say goodbye to the arts, and the culture that brings with it.

HURRAY FOR BAD ECONOMY CAUSING RIOTS AND ALL OUT CHOAS! CHEERS!/ Anarchism

[QUOTE=smurfy;26586555]What? No [url]http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2010-11/fixedtermparliaments.html[/url] They're introducing elections scheduled and fixed at five year intervals and removing the power of the prime minster and government to decide when to dissolve parliament.[/QUOTE] I really hope that doesn't get passed, a government should be able to be dissolved at any point. I am sure they want to pass this because they know they will become unpopular.

You know what the really sad thing is? We're never going to get it lowered back down. Even if massive rioting caused an early General Election (like what happened after the Poll Tax was introduced in the 80s) and Labour got voted back in, they still wouldn't reverse the cap back to what it originally was. Governments [i]never[/i] give stuff back. Why would they? What Labour have when they come back into power is a shit load more money and absolutely none of the blame. It's great for them. If you don't believe this simple fact then just look at VAT. In 1990 Major's government introduced an "emergency" VAT rise from 10% to 17%... what is our VAT now? Yeah, that's right. 17%. Once they get a taste of extra money or power, they don't give it up. This applies to everything else we've had taken from us like we're never gonna get universal child benefit payments back. Ever. What I find [i]reeeaally[/i] fucking retarded though is, look back to 1946. Britain had just emerged from the Second World War. We were bankrupted, owing millions to the United States. What did we do in 1946? We set about creating the mother-fucking NHS. When we were bankrupt. Now in 2010 when we are in a comparatively mild economic downturn, we find ourselves facing cuts to the NHS, cuts to universities, cuts in benefits, higher university fees, higher VAT... it's ridiculous.

6 police officers so far taken to hospital, it's been described as being as bad as the poll tax riots as when they heard the result, they got very angry. Even MPs of the Lib Dems have said, "The Lib Dems are over, they'll never get voted in again" although one who was for the rises said, "people said the same about Tony Blair, and they voted him back in"

[QUOTE=Appox;26586614] Also, these fee rises are meant to pay for the serious cuts in teaching (apart from science teaching). So say goodbye to the arts, and the culture that brings with it.[/QUOTE] Uh, what culture does uni arts bring?

[QUOTE=Jsm;26586630]I really hope that doesn't get passed, a government should be able to be dissolved at any point. I am sure they want to pass this because they know they will become unpopular.[/QUOTE] Funnily enough its supposed to stop the ruling party from calling an election whenever they feel momentarily more popular than the opposition.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26586677]You know what the really sad thing is? We're never going to get it lowered back down. Even if massive rioting caused an early General Election (like what happened after the Poll Tax was introduced in the 80s) and Labour got voted back in, they still wouldn't reverse the cap back to what it originally was. Governments [i]never[/i] give stuff back. Why would they? What Labour have when they come back into power is a shit load more money and absolutely none of the blame. It's great for them. If you don't believe this simple fact then just look at VAT. In 1990 Major's government introduced an "emergency" VAT rise from 10% to 17%"... what is our VAT now? Yeah, that's right. 17%. Once they get a taste of extra money or power, they don't give it up. This applies to everything else we've had taken from us like we're never gonna get universal child benefit payments back. Ever. What I find [i]reeeaally[/i] fucking retarded though is, look back to 1946. Britain had just emerged from the Second World War. We were bankrupted, owing millions to the United States. What did we do in 1946? We set about creating the mother-fucking NHS. When we were bankrupt. Now in 2010 when we are in a comparatively mild economic downturn, we find ourselves facing cuts to the NHS, cuts to universities, cuts in benefits, higher university fees, higher VAT... it's ridiculous.[/QUOTE] I agree entirely. Education funding and the NHS should be the very last things considered for funding cuts. How about, stop our involvement in oversea wars that were started on false intelligence, stop the war on drugs, stop creating more nuclear deterrents (thanks for the info on this Wikileaks), make the banks who caused this financial crisis pay the bill instead of the young people who had nothing to do with it.

On the one hand, this doesn't affect me. I'm not a student. On the other hand, it makes me happy, as it means that come the next general election, the Tories are going to lose everything they have. They've just gone and screwed over the very people they should be trying to win over. These students are the next generation of voters, and none of them are going to be happy with another Tory government - I'm aware it's a 'coalition' government, but take the wool away from you eyes. It's not. Clegg and Cameron have ruined their chances of re-election.

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Thank fuck for the welsh assembly. Really THANK FUCK. Starting my GCSEs this year, until the assembly announced that we were exempt, I was dreading going into my courses with no prospects for the rest of my life doing what I enjoy. Both parties are fucked now though, the country will welcome Labour back with open arms - again.

[QUOTE=matt.ant;26586695]6 police officers so far taken to hospital, it's been described as being as bad as the poll tax riots as when they heard the result, they got very angry.[/QUOTE] Wow. That's quite sad. I feel sorry for the officers who are only carrying out their duty. I'm not one to advocate rioting, despite having certain political tendencies, but hopefully this will provoke a reaction Poll Tax riots-style.

[QUOTE=Jon27;26586882] Both parties are fucked now though, the country will welcome Labour back with open arms - again.[/QUOTE] Worth remembering the leader of the Labour party would not comment specifically on if he would reverse this decision if he got into power, only that he would be honest about whatever route he decides to go.

[QUOTE=johan_sm;26586756]Uh, what culture does uni arts bring?[/QUOTE] Um. Here's an example: Video game art design graduates go to work at Rockstar North and Traveller's Tales and Codemasters and make some of the most popular games in the world. I'd say that's a contribution to culture.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26586919]Um. Here's an example: Video game art design graduates go to work at Rockstar North and Traveller's Tales and Codemasters and make some of the most popular games in the world. I'd say that's a contribution to culture.[/QUOTE] I was thinking more Lord of the Rings and The Phantom of the Opera.