UK Parliament approves raising tuition fees cap to £9,000 - Polidicks

Hehe, crazy kids.

[QUOTE=Lalelalala;26587511]How is it NOT a bad thing? What the hell is wrong with education?[/QUOTE] I'm assuming he means it's easier for graduates to then get a graduate position job afterwards or something. Though everyone should have an equal chance at being able to get what they need for a decent job. (Edit: well never mind as he replied already whilst I typed this.) --- Even though I have been through Uni already this saddens me. I voted for Lib Dem assuming they were more looking out for younger people (as even though I am not a student, I am still young - 22.) But it seems like he's just a tea boy for the Tories. It's a shame. All they have done is screw themselves over come next election though.

[QUOTE=NorthernFall;26587536]Art degrees in particular are just a waste.[/QUOTE] Depends. Straight art I would say is a waste, but design degrees are a necessity.

oh man, that horse video makes me happy... so good to see our people fighting back.

[QUOTE=NorthernFall;26587504]and can they suddenly ramp up the course prices halfway through my degree? [/QUOTE] No. By accepting a place at university for Sep 2011 you have in turn accepted that you will be paying around £3000 a year. Changing that would be like breaching a contract. [editline]9th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=NorthernFall;26587504]At any rate, half of those morons in parliment square don't even look like they go to university and just turned up for a fight.[/QUOTE] Yeah. Sadly the shitty anarchist groups always turn up to stuff like this.

[QUOTE=NorthernFall;26587504]At any rate, half of those morons in parliment square don't even look like they go to university and just turned up for a fight.[/QUOTE] My thoughts exactly. I'm against the raises, but I can't stand the way that the students are misrepresented by those imbiciles who burst in looking for a fight / riot. Why not trim (as in, take back) the benefits system, it seems to be [b]better[/b] than work in some situations. This should never be the case. I'm really hoping to go to university, and my grades should be good enough, but it is just not looking feasible with the way that this is going. Sure it might be money to pay back afterwards, but there's also all of the private debts that students get because they to take loans to pay the bills. They bitch about having too few skilled workers, and then raise university fees. Also, some subjects have degrees that don't need them, and some things can be done with on-the-job training, no need for a degree in it.

Glad i'm already in University. The raised fee's don't affect me.

[QUOTE=Terminutter;26587652] Why not trim (as in, take back) the benefits system[/QUOTE] That's part of the coalition's plans. Basically, if you can name something we have that is even slightly socialist, chances are it's getting cut in some form or another.

I support this, why? because they can raise the costs up to £9000 doesn't mean they will, its not like everyone wants to go to fucking Camebridge, if your poor, they will help you. Stop with the Tory hating, [B]ANY[/B] party would have done it, anything's better than Labour Socialism. Incoming dumbs from Bawwww'ing students Anyway, is it really worth it?

I'm all for protesting and expressing your democratic rights, but anyone who thinks that smashing London to pieces or physically attacking police officers is in any way justifiable is too fucking stupid to go to university in the first place.

[QUOTE=NorthernFall;26587504]I've accepted a place at Plymouth for 2011 entry and this is worrying me, when does this come into power? and can they suddenly ramp up the course prices halfway through my degree? At any rate, half of those morons in parliment square don't even look like they go to university and just turned up for a fight.[/QUOTE] I live in plymouth. The university is HUGE

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26587638] Yeah. Sadly the shitty anarchist groups always turn up to stuff like this.[/QUOTE] BBC News did a good job at reminding viewers the twats were the minority, and that the police charging with horses etc might actually be the problem.

If you have trouble paying off this loan then maybe you should have taken a real subject instead of Putting Off Work Studies.

[QUOTE=The mouse;26587704]I support this, why? because they can raise the costs up to £9000 doesn't mean they will, its not like everyone wants to go to fucking Camebridge, if your poor, they will help you. Stop with the Tory hating, [B]ANY[/B] party would have done it, anything's better than Labour Socialism. Incoming dumbs from Bawwww'ing students[/QUOTE] What? The vast majority of courses will cost £6000... that's double the price. This is about every university - the prices aren't just going to rise for Cambridge (nb: there is no "e" after the "m") and Oxford and places of that ilk. And I'm not worried about the poor, I'm worried about the fucked over middle classes. Labour Socialism was and still is fucking awesome. Every day I am thankful that we have stuff like the NHS and that I don't live in some ultra capitalist state where I have to pay competing companies to keep me alive when I'm in an accident. [editline]9th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;26587718]If you have trouble paying off this loan then maybe you should have taken a real subject instead of Putting Off Work Studies.[/QUOTE] What if you do a degree that is necessary to do the job you want, but that job only pays just over the barrier where, if you go above it, you have to pay back the entire loan? What do you do then? Oh yeah, you starve.

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;26587718]If you have trouble paying off this loan then maybe you should have taken a real subject instead of Putting Off Work Studies.[/QUOTE] Yeah because fuck having the choice to study something you have a passion about.

[QUOTE=The mouse;26587704]I support this, why? because they can raise the costs up to £9000 doesn't mean they will, its not like everyone wants to go to fucking Camebridge, if your poor, they will help you. Stop with the Tory hating, [B]ANY[/B] party would have done it, anything's better than Labour Socialism. Incoming dumbs from Bawwww'ing students[/QUOTE] Yes but think about how much a degree actually costs the uni in resources, £20,000 plus usually for Medicine, and you're paying £9.5k or near enough for the whole 3 years. Of course they're going to try and claw back the money, especially now people will be taking less of the degrees they can actually make money on (Art, Theatre studies etc.). Places like Cambridge and Oxford will most likely make up the difference for the poorer students because they have millions and millions in the bank but places like Warwick and Durham will have to ramp up the fees just to keep themselves where they are in the rankings.

[QUOTE=MasterG;26586759]Fucking wankers. The cuts need to be from other places, like foreign aid, or our woefully overbloated welfare state, not the intelligence of our future generations. Or maybe cut some of the retarded university courses, such as "Harry Potter Studies".[/QUOTE] I do agree that we need to get rid of the Mickey Mouse courses, but our universities are oversubscribed as it is. Fewer people applying isn't going to make future generations thicker, because there'll just be fewer people rejected and the same amount of people accepted.

This also puts a 3rd of all English universities (Including mine) under 'High Risk', as it is doubtful with the cuts to teaching they will be able to stay afloat.

Our universities need investment in modern and useful courses. Not cuts and higher fees. The only way our nation is going to advance is if we modernise - our education system has been outdated for the past hundred years. The reason we fell as an empire is because we failed to modernise our education, and we have still failed to do it even today. Why else do you think that whenever we do any new engineering or building work in this country there aren't any British people involved at all? It's all Germans and the Swiss and Scandinavians.

Half of me is quite happy that all the lib dem supports have (finally) shut the hell up now they have realised the lib dems are as bad as the others. The other half thinks that this is just a politicians cheap tactic of getting the country money without taking it from people without any real power in the country at the moment. It is bad enough coming out of uni 10 grand in debt, god knows what it will be like coming out 30 grand in debt.

[QUOTE=Appox;26587224]Then. Now: [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/bNVm8.png[/img_thumb] Horses running into school children, angry they have been lied to.[/QUOTE] Pricks trowing snooker balls at people just doing their job, and starting violence and smashing in windows to get their own way because they've decided that a vote by elected officials is somehow undemocratic.

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;26587856]a vote by elected officials is somehow undemocratic.[/QUOTE] It is when you voted those officials in based on a [b]lie[/b].

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;26587856]Pricks trowing snooker balls at people just doing their job, and starting violence and smashing in windows to get their own way because they've decided that a vote by elected officials is somehow undemocratic.[/QUOTE] Do you really think it is fair that the price for university per year has gone up 3 times what it was? The students are protesting the government taking advantage of them because they are students. Also the fact that the lib dems lied to them.

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;26587718]If you have trouble paying off this loan then maybe you should have taken a real subject instead of Putting Off Work Studies.[/QUOTE] Statistics show that people who graduated last year, more people who studied IT are still unemployed, in comarison to Geography, which is the subject where most graduates are now employed. I would say IT was a real subject..

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;26587856]Pricks trowing snooker balls at people just doing their job, and starting violence and smashing in windows to get their own way because they've decided that a vote by elected officials is somehow undemocratic.[/QUOTE] A few people acting like idiots while kettled into a corner does not warrant the police to charge at them with 15 horses. They do not stop if they hit you, they trampled people while the police officers on the horses hit protesters with batons. I'd say that is more violent than the protesters. After the use of horses the hostility of the protesters also increased.

What pisses me off is that the politicians Kids don't get affected because the Government pays for their education, and that they're still rolling back to there Manor houses in there chauffeured Bentleys and Rolls Royce's.

[QUOTE=matt.ant;26587905]Statistics show that people who graduated last year, more people who studied IT are still unemployed, in comarison to Geography, which is the subject where most graduates are now employed. I would say IT was a real subject..[/QUOTE] Probably depends on the area, loads of people do these useless game design courses and other offshoots that won't really set you up for the real world.

Nick Clegg knows he's just destroyed his hopes of becoming prime minister.

[QUOTE=NorthernFall;26587504]I've accepted a place at Plymouth for 2011 entry and this is worrying me, when does this come into power? and can they suddenly ramp up the course prices halfway through my degree? At any rate, half of those morons in parliment square don't even look like they go to university and just turned up for a fight.[/QUOTE] As they have said, you will pay the current price (well small increase, about £3350) and fees will remain the same during your whole course. So basically if your in uni or going to uni in 2011 this doesnt affect you.

[QUOTE=Random112358;26587941]Probably depends on the area, loads of people do these useless game design courses and other offshoots that won't really set you up for the real world.[/QUOTE] Depending on the university, Game Design courses get you pretty much straight into a development company if you do good work on the course. I don't see how being taught the trade by people in the trade with links directly to the trade could possible not set you up for the trade, ie. the "real world" as you put it. Do your research before dismissing design courses as pointless.