UK Parliament approves raising tuition fees cap to £9,000 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Jallen;26601730]I think that compulsary education should be the extent of the taxpayers burden.[/QUOTE] And that further education should just be left to the personal income of individual families? Even 6th form/college? I can't agree with that.

[QUOTE=ijyt;26601738]hey fees are £3k we're giving you £6k to deal with them hey fees are £9k we're giving you £18k to deal with them and now we have less money and wait longer for students to pay this money back[/QUOTE] No. Money that was going into the universities directly is now being turned into tuition fees. These are covered by loans. The government will be paying out almost the same amount as they were before in total, except they can expect to get all of what they [I]were[/I] paying directly to universities back in the long term. [editline]10th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26601744]And that further education should just be left to the personal income of individual families? Even 6th form/college? I can't agree with that.[/QUOTE] No, the loans system deals with it.

[QUOTE=Jallen;26601755]No, the loans system deals with it.[/QUOTE] But this assumes that all post-graduate jobs come with nice, stable incomes.

[QUOTE=Jallen;26601734]Wow, yet another cutting remark with no substance. Well done.[/QUOTE] The real problem is that people are going to be paying more for their tuition fees when at the same time the funding for those courses is being cut, sometimes by as much as 75%. I think people are upset about the idea of paying more for less, and as far as I'm aware the increases in fees won't cover the loss of funding.

Loans for 6th form... oh God please no.

[QUOTE=Camundongo;26601767]The real problem is that people are going to be paying more for their tuition fees when at the same time the funding for those courses is being cut, sometimes by as much as 75%. I think people are upset about the idea of paying more for less, and [B]as far as I'm aware the increases in fees won't cover the loss of funding.[/B][/QUOTE] The impression I have got is that it will. That's the lib dems primary point right now AFAIK. [editline]10th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26601770]Loans for 6th form... oh God please no.[/QUOTE] It's not like it would be anywhere near as expensive as university. I don't see the problem. [editline]10th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;26601740]The government takes your money and spends half of it on stupid shit, then it cuts out the good stuff so it can spend it on more stupid shit.[/QUOTE] I do actually agree that there is a lot of spending in stupid things (I'm not particularly pro EU for example) but I still don't think that these changes are a bad idea.

this is still a shitty thing to pull and i seriously cannot comprehend why, as a student, you're happy about this unless you were raised a conservative or it's a side-effect of your self-diagnosed autism or aspergers or whatever it was.

[QUOTE=Jallen;26601776]The impression I have got is that it will. That's the lib dems primary point right now AFAIK.[/QUOTE] Well, for one thing I'm never going to take what the lib dems say at face value again. Secondly, as I already mentioned earlier in the thread, universities (including Portsmouth) are going to create loads of 'new' courses, but will lump anything similiar together, so they share the majority of their lectures (i.e everyone crowded into one huge room) to try and make up the short fall.

[QUOTE=ijyt;26601795]this is still a shitty thing to pull and i seriously cannot comprehend why, as a student, you're happy about this unless you were raised a conservative or it's a side-effect of your self-diagnosed autism or aspergers or whatever it was.[/QUOTE] Yet another cutting remark, learn the rules of debate - insult or personal digs make you look like a child. No wonder the student protests turned out like they did. I'm not self diagnosed. If you read my thread I said I met criteria which made it possible I had aspergers or similar and was thinking about getting tested. I support it because I'm not thinking about myself. This isn't about me or students, it's about everybody. People who don't go to uni or don't have childeren who go to uni shouldn't be paying for people who do IMO.

[QUOTE=Jallen;26601811]Yet another cutting remark, learn the rules of debate - insult or personal digs make you look like a child. No wonder the student protests turned out like they did. I'm not self diagnosed. If you read my thread I said I met criteria which made it possible I had aspergers or similar and was thinking about getting tested. I support it because I'm not thinking about myself. This isn't about me or students, it's about everybody. People who don't go to uni or don't have childeren who go to uni shouldn't be paying for people who do IMO.[/QUOTE] i know full well my argument is ad hominem, but i'm not arguing, i just don't like you

[QUOTE=ijyt;26601818]i know full well my argument is ad hominem, but i'm not arguing, i just don't like you[/QUOTE] So constructive.

lol the uni is abandoning its super mega project of developing new hydro power technologies after this went down.

[QUOTE=Jallen;26601776]I don't see the problem.[/QUOTE] Um... maybe the fact that presently it is free and there is no need to be charged for it? Yeh.

This is just horrible. One of the main reason I love my country, Norway, is that I can study whatever I want at whichever university I want, just as long as I get good enough grades.

[QUOTE=matt.ant;26600344] You are missing the point, the point was that the students who are protesting voted for the man that said he would scrap university charges, making university free, whereas now he's been voted in, he's decided to triple it instead.[/QUOTE] On a technical note, Nick Clegg wasn't voted in His party had enough seats to give the conservatives a majority, and so a deal was struck

[QUOTE=O'10er;26603286]On a technical note, Nick Clegg wasn't voted in His party had enough seats to give the conservatives a majority, and so a deal was struck[/QUOTE] Technically, yes. But people voted for him to try to get him into full power and that vote is still cast on the basis of promises he made during the election process, whether he gets in to full power or not. So, even though he only has a share of the power, he has still broken promises. [editline]10th December 2010[/editline] Wow my sentence structure there is horrendous.

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyf4sgNj1Zs[/MEDIA] some footage i filmed at yesterdays protest

[QUOTE=Jallen;26601829]So constructive.[/QUOTE] All your posts are retarded. All 6,887 of them.

Using horses was just stupid.

[QUOTE=NorthernFall;26603675]Using horses was just stupid.[/QUOTE] I could understand riding in on horses in a more peaceful manner to split up crowds - no one fucks with a horse. They're big. There was no need to go full on Battle of Waterloo style and smash into lines of college students in a perfect wedge formation. So unnecessary. Surreal stuff to watch on TV.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26603704]I could understand riding in on horses in a more peaceful manner to split up crowds - no one fucks with a horse. They're big. There was no need to go full on Battle of Waterloo style and smash into lines of college students in a perfect wedge formation. So unnecessary. Surreal stuff to watch on TV.[/QUOTE] did you watch my video, people were just battering the horses.

I think the point of the matter is that not all university degrees outcomes regarding income from employment are not always high and stable. Also taking a loan to pay something back when you earn enough money is bad enough if you cant get a job in the first place. My friend is studying criminology and in his last year but jobs are limited to virtually non-existent in relation to his course. I think the most sensible approach is use taxation money to allocate free tuition fees. This will help substantially in upping lower classes who are smart enough to goto college and closing the rich/poor gap.

[QUOTE=Soul-Chicken;26601683]Yeah well the Irish government just voted to take money from the widow's and blind pensions while they are on 90,000-250,000 salaries. :rolleye: The world is fucked i tell yah.[/QUOTE] Not to derail the thread, but I think that those reductions were more or less inevitable, though government salaries should definitely be cut; my fear is that it'll drive people to vote for particularly stupid parties like Sinn Fein. Isn't this what seems to happen with the majority of Conservative governments? They're voted for as an alternative and they lapse into protecting the ridiculously wealthy over the people. If only England and Ireland had an intelligent liberal party with a backbone.

[QUOTE=Denicide;26603913]Not to derail the thread[/QUOTE] To derail the thread, your avatar crab has a cameltoe for a mouth.

Fuck it, i had a valid point to make, but you totally made me forget it.

Why did Nick Clegg cross the road? Because he said he wouldn't.

[QUOTE=Denicide;26603913]Not to derail the thread, but I think that those reductions were more or less inevitable, though government salaries should definitely be cut; my fear is that it'll drive people to vote for particularly stupid parties like Sinn Fein. Isn't this what seems to happen with the majority of Conservative governments? They're voted for as an alternative and they lapse into protecting the ridiculously wealthy over the people. If only England and Ireland had an intelligent liberal party with a backbone.[/QUOTE] They were in power for most of the 20th Century. That's not an alternative. They've always tried to present themselves as the natural "party of power" who sorts things out when we experiment with the left and bad things happen. Thanks to Black Friday (thank you very much George fucking Soros (which is also probably what his fellow Jews said when he sold them out to the Nazis)) this reputation took a hit (which is why the left love that cunt so much) and so partly due to this (and partly due to Tony Blair being charismatic - well, compared to Major - and the fact that he reached out to non-political people (while "increasing" the power of the the members of the Constituency Labour Parties by doing things like putting the fucking shitty new Clause IV to a party vote - of course the new members just did whatever that nice Mr. Blair said so he could claim that he had the backing of the party. He thought he was being Machiavellian but really he was being a twat. Like Simon Cowell.) as well as broadening the party's support by getting rid of Clause IV, Labour's one good idea, the sellout cunting fucking wanker, meant that he got elected with a massive majority in 1997, so a lot of people nowadays - especially new voters and students (the NUS are under Labour's thumb - where were the riots when they [b]introduced[/b] tuition fees?) - can't really remember a Tory Government and so see Labour as the "party of power". Oh, and it was Margaret Thatcher's policies such as selling council houses to tenants that led to embourgeoisement and the growth of the middle class (which ironically played into the New Labour scumbags' hands).

Total and utter cunts, there goes my next year out the window like i have 9k.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26601595]You sound like a very misinformed Daily Mail reader (or at least your dad reads it) who has probably just hit 16 (and therefore feels he is far superior to all the little 14 year old kids who have no life experience like yourself) and your only view of the north of England is what you see on Coronation Street. Seems like you're blaming the entirety of this country's problems on the north, which in turn makes it sound like you're blaming the working-classes, which in turn only strengthens the north-south divide and the raging class war we have right now. And can you fuck blame Labour for everything that's going on now. Look around you. Look at the countries of the world that aren't affected by the economic downturn right now; they're all communist. This is a worldwide thing that no one political party can take blame for. The fault lies primarily in the neo-capitalist banking system that seems to pretty much rule the world right now.[/QUOTE] are you suggesting neo-socialism? look bud, in case the cold war or north korea didn't teach you anything, i'll drop some info on you - socialism doesn't work.

[QUOTE=Mr.Thorn;26623956]Total and utter cunts, there goes my next year out the window like i have 9k.[/QUOTE] Do you even understand the system for how you pay your fees?