There is no Plan B: why the IPv4-to-IPv6 transition will be ugly - Polidicks

Transition from IPv4 to IPv6 -> Complaints about internet speed -> General nonsense -> Size of IPv6 -> Philosophical discussions about the future of mankind. I love Facepunch.

Hell yeah! I can tell people when I'm 100 years old that I was on the first internet system - the exclusive badasses using IPv4

This is going to be bad, darn.

I'm actually looking forward to this.

And then there's me and my ISP, who automatically got all their customers reserved an IPv4 so that we'd survive the IPv4-runout

[QUOTE=Tools;25170501]And then there's me and my ISP, who automatically got all their customers reserved an IPv4 so that we'd survive the IPv4-runout[/QUOTE] Pics or it didn't happen.

[QUOTE=Tools;25170501]And then there's me and my ISP, who automatically got all their customers reserved an IPv4 so that we'd survive the IPv4-runout[/QUOTE] That's marketing babble, just to shut up customers.

[QUOTE=Hypernova;25169789]Transition from IPv4 to IPv6 -> Complaints about internet speed -> General nonsense -> Size of IPv6 -> Philosophical discussions about the future of mankind. I love Facepunch.[/QUOTE] You forgot posting and quoting pictures of shit

Is it me or is this article long and babbling and failed to clearly explain the actual causes of why it's hard to implement? Also, wouldn't those who maintain private networks such as businesses and home users not have to worry all that much since really only the public addresses would need to change to v6?

[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;25159619]I love how it opens by saying 1.5Mbs is hardly even acceptable for home usage. Where I live, the very fastest internet available to me is 768Kbs. :frown:[/QUOTE] Poor you.

[QUOTE=luck_or_loss;25171495]You forgot posting and quoting pictures of shit[/QUOTE] I do believe that falls under the 'general nonsense' category.

[QUOTE=M2k3;25160748]The transition will be ugly? It can't be uglier than the address itself. Look at this fucking thing - 3ffe:1900:4545:4:200:f8ff:fe21:67cf Yuck.[/QUOTE] Learn hexadecimal you ninny.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;25168251]Sure, 128 bits seems excessive now, but who knows how much growth there will be?[/QUOTE] There more possible ipv6 addresses than there are atoms in the galaxy. There is [B]no way[/B] we would come close to surpassing that.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;25180336]There more possible ipv6 addresses than there are atoms in the galaxy. There is [B]no way[/B] we would come close to surpassing that.[/QUOTE] Uh, no. [url=http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2+^+128]2^128 = 3.4 x 10^38.[/url] [url=http://pages.prodigy.net/jhonig/bignum/qagalaxy.html]There are between 10^66 and 10^69 atoms in the galaxy.[/url] That's not just "a little off", that's like confusing "stubbing your toe" with "extinction of humanity". Besides, one of the main features of IPv6 is the abolishment of subnet masks and network classes. There are precisely 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 networks, each with 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 available addresses. Of course most networks won't use that many, but by limiting things in this way, the amount of processing and configuration needed goes WAY down.

[QUOTE=Sonicfan574;25168034]I don't know a whole lot about this subject, but why can't they just add more space for ipv4 addresses?[/QUOTE] Why can't you put 15 people in 4 seat car?

I actually read the entire article. Messy or not, we won't have much choices later.

I can't believe no one has posted "tl;dr" yet...

Well shit.

Oh lawd.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;25180045]Learn hexadecimal you ninny.[/QUOTE] I know hex, I'm just being a little silly. I actually work as a technician for DND. IPv6 is going to be a great change once it fully kicks in but when you're configuring routers and whatnot and you think "hmm what was that server address I need again.." its going to be hard to recall a big load of hex off the top of your head.

Damnit to hell I just bought a new router too.

[QUOTE=M2k3;25185450]I know hex, I'm just being a little silly. I actually work as a technician for DND. IPv6 is going to be a great change once it fully kicks in but when you're configuring routers and whatnot and you think "hmm what was that server address I need again.." its going to be hard to recall a big load of hex off the top of your head.[/QUOTE] Well, it's not going to change too much. If your network is (for example) 0:0:0:ffff, then most of your addresses will be things like 0:0:0:ffff:0:0:0:1, 0:0:0:ffff:0:0:0:2, 0:0:0:ffff:0:0:0:3, etc. [editline]08:37PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Eagle10;25185527]Damnit to hell I just bought a new router too.[/QUOTE] Most current routers can handle IPv6.

what will happen to 127.0.0.1 jokes?

[QUOTE=Haxxer;25158983]oh fuck oh fuck were gonna be poor[/QUOTE]HOYL FUCK ITS CONNECTING ^_^ [editline]i[/editline] oh shit it says DHCP ACK request timed out; no response received. im so fucked. [editline]likecocks[/editline] im crying. i cant download my porn. oh fuch oh fuck i gotta email my isp and demand an ip address

[QUOTE=rampageturke;25186068]what will happen to 127.0.0.1 jokes?[/QUOTE] They become ::1 jokes. Or 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 jokes, if you want to write them out fully.

Wouldn't you need to update router firmware in order for IPv6 to work on it? Meaning we can get cash off of people that don't know how.

[QUOTE=Amez;25186390]Wouldn't you need to update router firmware in order for IPv6 to work on it? Meaning we can get cash off of people that don't know how.[/QUOTE] IPv6 isn't exactly "new tech". They started working on it in the mid-90s. Companies have had more than enough time to upgrade. The only hurdle is getting ISPs to give it to their customers. Almost all routers made in the past five years have IPv6 support in the shipped firmware. You might be able to make cash of reconfiguring networks, but home users wouldn't really have problems if everyone simultaneously switched. Now, if you had to set up tunneling or something, that might be trickier. Could probably make some money off that. And some places will have to upgrade, or use a 4in6 tunnel.

So, what exactly does all this mean? Are we gonna be without internet? Are the nukes gonna go off? Is looting going to happen? If none of that happens, we're gonna be okay I think.

[QUOTE=Big Ben;25187018]So, what exactly does all this mean? Are we gonna be without internet? Are the nukes gonna go off? Is looting going to happen? If none of that happens, we're gonna be okay I think.[/QUOTE] People who currently have Internet will still have it, although it may be more difficult to get an IP address. No nukes, riots, looting, or wars will happen. What will happen is this: addresses run out. ISPs are forced to start using widescale NAT. This will generally slow down the Internet, mainly by increasing latency. It will also break some applications, primarily peer-to-peer applications. Bittorrent will still run, though, since it already uses IPv6 when behind NAT. IP bans will also start failing as IPs get reused and shuffled about. So, while it's bad, it won't be WW3.

So the internet might be fucked for a few days during the transition, or will it happen over a period of months/years? Also, will it get rid of those shitty hardly seen pure html pages that look like shit? I am sick of getting them in google results.