Mexico City's mayor who survived two drug gang assassination attempts found beaten to death and dump - Polidicks

I want to rate this article winner because that's what she is, but I don't want to look like a dickhead.

Christ, I remember the article of when she became mayor being posted on facepunch

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38608089]the problem is that you are just hitting a small part of the cartel, which is their "enforcers, soldiers, security" sort of wing. there is a much larger part to the cartels, which is where the meth is cooked; where the marijuana is grown; where the cocaine is refined. now im all for getting rid of the average thug on the streets, but by trying to eliminate production you are literally destroying the livelihood of people who are innocent of any moral wrongdoing. a lot of people have no choice but to work the fields or die, to work the factories or starve. the problem is that a lot of people's lives depend on the production and distribution of these illicit substances. to simply label the cartels as full of thugs and launching a military campaign against them you are also going to create a very serious economic problem for a lot of people[/QUOTE] The ATF has been burning fields for decades in South America. You are right though, it is a terrible approach, and frankly it is unnecessary. Destroy the packaging and refinement facilities. Offer farmers alternative crop choices and the proper seeds for a few years. If the cartel isn't there to buy it, then they have no reason to grow it. Alternatively, they can be ignored entirely unless the presence of a raw material supply does indeed spawn the refinement arm. Anyhow the economic problem for Mexico right now is pretty much pandemic. The government can't accomplish anything because it constantly fights the cartels. So on one hand we have cartels and everyone suffering and on the other we have a minor economic crisis. Frankly I get the feeling we could fix that pretty easily. We rebuilt an entire country after bombing it into nothing, we can build sufficient infrastructure to provide jobs to these people.

You mean Iraq? That shit experimenting with "leaving it to the free market" and using it as a testing ground for deregulation initially after the invasion and the years following it was a just horrible. It doesn't look all that rebuilt to me even now.

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;38608337]You mean Iraq? That shit experimenting with "leaving it to the free market" and using it as a testing ground for deregulation initially after the invasion and the years following it was a just horrible. It doesn't look all that rebuilt to me even now.[/QUOTE] i think he means japan. we didnt really "rebuild" iraq, nor did we really "bomb it into nothing". both of those can be said about japan during and after ww2 [editline]27th November 2012[/editline] this was done during a time when everyone wasnt talking about "fiscal cliffs" and austerity, a time that has unfortunately passed. i doubt anyone would really support putting in the money to really rebuild another nation, especially with afghanistan and iraq still in our mind

Oops, guess I needed to make that clear, yeah Japan. Anyhow, removing a criminal element that is slowly destroying and destabilizing our neighbor to the south is ultimately going to be necessary. Better to go ahead and deal with it, because the longer we wait, the more serious the consequences are going to be and the longer we are going to have to fight to achieve our objective.

well i think the most ideal(also unrealistic) option would be to legalize drugs, then lend law enforcement and military primarily to production countries(bolivia, columbia, mexico, etc.) to help seize factories and farms. very quickly profits will drop for the cartels which makes it so they can't upkeep their armies anymore. this makes dismantling the cartels a lot easier. then all the infrastructure they have built up can be used by the farmers and labourers who make a living from the work without the worry of being murdered or arrested. also tax money for every government involved but i mean that's obviously very unlikely.

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;38604777]Let's suppose a hypothetical scenario for a moment. I own a shoe factory in the nation of Aleph. The country next door, Bora, outlaws shoewearing for religious reasons. Over the years, I produce massive piles of shoes. Far more than I could ever need. My single purpose for this is to export these shoes. I devise many clever and sneaky ways of getting my shoes in to Bora from Aleph, and in spite of a truely awe inspiring campaign of anti-footware by the Bora people I turn a tidy profit while controlling the shoe industry. Now it's modernity. Bora is on the cusp of legalizing perhaps, sandals. Not wholesale shoes yet, but a start. Many Bora thinkers believe they will control the massive profits I've been raking in by starting their own clever footwear ventures. In Aleph, the government is considering sponsoring young investors to start their own sandal making factories to try and flood me out of the market. The problem is, I control the market. Not only do I control it, I control it and have means of coercion to make sure that I dominate the market. If the Aleph men open sandal factories, nothing stops me from infiltrating them, buying them, or controlling them and subsuming their profits. (Likely through corruption or force if I must!) If the Bora men try their own start ups, I can simply crush them with a superior volume and quality of product. A superior volume and quality that I have maintained for years even under the pall of illegality! Now the Bora men are in a pinch. I've still got the reigns of the horse of production, and they cannot even arrest people for wearing my sandals! "Oh, well just regulate the factories," I hear you say. How? The men in Aleph have tried for years to stop me wholesale and I survived them, this just gives me a second layer of safety. And any basic business man can tell you more regulations on an industry, in say, Bora, drives up the costs of production when you have to comply. What's that? Driving the sandal makers in Bora to thin profit margins works in my favor? I'm glad you're a step ahead of me. So, this turns in to a hilarious flop. I am poised to rake in even greater profits as more tepid Bora men are willing to wear MY sandals, all the while I have to put less resources into concealing MY sandals from the Bora authorities simply because I may masquerade under the guise of being a Bora sandalmaker. Meanwhile, the money the Bora lawmakers hope to rake in is nowhere to be found and a very sizeable portion of the Bora populace is uncomfortable with the new fad of sandal wearing and what it means for the future. [B]Concise Form: [/B]Legitimate producers only beat illegitimate producers when they offer a truely superior product and don't have to worry about competition. In the case of Valve, they are a, unfortunately, very similar to a monopoly. They are a GOOD monopoly, but they act as a monopoly none the less. The claim you can beat out Cartels is tanamount to saying "Why not smack Microsoft with an anti-trust lawsuit so that we can get more OS brands?" I look around, and I see very few Linux users.[/QUOTE] lol except if marijuana was legal in the USA legitimate growers would be able to produce far more and of far higher quality. you realize that illegality drives up the price of marijuana pretty astronomically right? it's one of the easiest cash crops to grow, almost anyone could do it it's only the illegality that makes it hard and expensive. there is no way an illegal market could compete with a legitimate one

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;38608941]lol except if marijuana was legal in the USA legitimate growers would be able to produce far more and of far higher quality. you realize that illegality drives up the price of marijuana pretty astronomically right? it's one of the easiest cash crops to grow, almost anyone could do it it's only the illegality that makes it hard and expensive. there is no way an illegal market could compete with a legitimate one[/QUOTE] is marijuana the only drug the cartel deals with?

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;38608986]is marijuana the only drug the cartel deals with?[/QUOTE] no that was just the specific one he was talking about. but the same argument applies to every other drug the cartels deal in.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;38608986]is marijuana the only drug the cartel deals with?[/QUOTE] The only thing the US would reasonably import from the other crops would likely be the unrefined materials. Strict quality control is in place for food and drugs in the United States.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;38608986]is marijuana the only drug the cartel deals with?[/QUOTE] marijuana is a main source of income. cocaine is expensive as fuck and doesnt move very quickly except in crack form when you compare it to marijuana. [editline]27th November 2012[/editline] just to put it in perspective marijuana: ~$13/g cocaine: ~$60/g a TON of people smoke marijuana frequently a small minority of people take cocaine occasionally(smaller still are addicts and habitual users)

i wonder what the percentages are for that. how much money does each drug and other illegal object or service make for the cartel?

[QUOTE=Medevilae;38603258]Are you suggesting US military occupation of Mexico?[/QUOTE] 90% of the Cartel guns are smuggled from the U.S. anyway, I think we're causing enough trouble over there.

Fucking Mexico man jesus christ

Can we just send in the US army or some special force already. This is out of control. We help out so many countries... why not mexico? Like seriously. This has to end. Its out of control.

And they literally fucking border us

I think the US needs to worry about these guys more than Afghanistan.

Truly awful. I hope her children survive and become Mexico's powerful force for good.

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;38603283]Why is Mexico so fucked up?[/QUOTE] the country itself is not terrible the people running it, in the other hand

[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;38609079]90% of the Cartel guns are smuggled from the U.S. anyway, I think we're causing enough trouble over there.[/QUOTE] No they aren't. That is a myth made up by abusing some numbers. Basically they looked at the percentage of guns that were found to be of American origin that are sent into the United States to be checked. They are sent in whenever they suspect the guns are from the US. In practice the percentage of guns being sent in is considerably smaller. Likely due to the fact that American firearms are prohibitively expensive for military grade equipment and are semi-automatic. It makes more sense just to buy a shitload of automatic weapons from overseas for a fraction of the price and without the semi auto limitations. So if they were to capture 100 guns and suspected 10 of which belonged to the US, and the US responded that 9 of the guns were indeed from the United States, that doesn't mean 90% of the guns are coming from the US. That is silly.

FYI, she wasn't Mexico City's mayor.

[QUOTE=wallyroberto_2;38744683]FYI, she wasn't Mexico City's mayor.[/QUOTE] That's a quality post right there boyo.

It's been said, but the only real way to fix all this senseless violence and bloodshed is to roll in our own brand of (slightly more organized) bloodshed. Thing is, Mexico doesn't want to admit how far up shit creek they are. What I want to know is how many bodies have to pile up before they can see what is right in front of them and admit they're in way over their heads. We can't just wait for them, because every day that this goes on, there are families being broken up, children being orphaned, helpless civilians caught in the crossfire of those who are not exactly worthy of the title of marksman.

Wow just wow, I'm a Mexican living in México and you don't hear about it in the media.

So at what point do the drug cartels in Mexico start getting treated like an actual insurgent force?

meixcan weed is fucking shit and nobody actually wants it. you tools who say people apparently are just dying to buy weed from mexico have never actually seen any mexican weed, not to mention the horror stories of getting some doused in chemicals or what not. most weed you are smoking in the states was grow near you, just fyi