[BBC] Naked Nigel, the God Kek and modern politics

[Roger Waters]

[QUOTE=Tarver;51087698]Trump winning the election would be the greatest social experiment to ever be conducted,I look forward to it[/QUOTE]

you are a tool.

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[Archangel125]

[QUOTE=Roger Waters;51087701]you are a tool.[/QUOTE]

You know, I'm as horrified by the prospect of that clown being voted in as you are, but you'd better rethink that post before someone flags your comment for flaming. Just saying.

[Tarver]

[QUOTE=Cructo;51087705]I don't really understand the reasoning behind this post. Regardless of his political position, he could affirm it would be a very good social experiment, we don't really know the outcome of it.[/QUOTE]

exactly,imagine the mad pranks bro lmao

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[Roger Waters]

[QUOTE=Cructo;51087705]I don't really understand the reasoning behind this post. Regardless of his political position, he could affirm it would be a very good social experiment, we don't really know the outcome of it.[/QUOTE]

gambling the entire fate of one of the world's greatest superpowers and cultural hubs entirely on a "social experiment" just to see how badly things can fall apart when you put a fucking clown from The Apprentice in charge is not 'very good', Pal Chum.

[Roger Waters]

[QUOTE=Cructo;51087716]"gambling the entire fate". Worst case scenario, it's Nixon v2.[/QUOTE]

i think you fail to understand the fact that we are in a [b]vastly[/b] worse state than when nixon was in power. not only do we live in a time where the economy and the future of our resources are on an absolute needle's edge but we also live in a time where liberties are increasingly being encroached upon in the name of antiterror. the individual is already being marginalized and ground away and allowing someone of such anti-poor status as trump in will only further this.

[editline]22nd September 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=Cructo;51087716]
not a very good way to argue[/QUOTE]

thanks for your assessment

[Nautsabes]

[QUOTE=Cructo;51087716]"gambling the entire fate". Worst case scenario, it's Nixon v2.

not a very good way to argue[/QUOTE]

ilmbo id bet 10 dollars u dont know a thing about nixon other than he was involed in something called "watergate"

[Archangel125]

[QUOTE=Cructo;51087716]"gambling the entire fate". Worst case scenario, it's Nixon v2.

not a very good way to argue[/QUOTE]

So, where's that proof I asked for? If you don't want to look the fool, you don't get to pick your battles. Let's see you back up what you said.

[Anti Christ]

[QUOTE=Cructo;51087716]"gambling the entire fate". Worst case scenario, it's Nixon v2.

not a very good way to argue[/QUOTE]

Nixon V2 is a horrifying possibility though. Our country is [I]still[/I] suffering the consequences of voting that embarrassment into power. And you write it off like its nothing. Are you naive?

[Zonesylvania]

[QUOTE=Cructo;51087716]"gambling the entire fate". Worst case scenario, it's Nixon v2.

not a very good way to argue[/QUOTE]
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw any stones, and frankly, it's only a bad argument if there's nothing backing it up. Everything that comes out of Donald Trump's mouth should have a laugh track coming after it just because of how out of touch with reality he sounds. Donald Trump is only in this race for the benefit of Donald Trump, not the American public. Neither is good old Hillary, I will admit, but she actually has policies that won't destabilize the status quo and make the American people suffer.

[Combineguy]

[QUOTE=Cructo;51087716]"gambling the entire fate". Worst case scenario, it's Nixon v2.

not a very good way to argue[/QUOTE]if you really think nixon being a crook somehow lowers him to the absolute bottom of the barrel clusterfuck a trump administration would be, you know literally nothing about the nixon administration. nixon was scum and deserves to take his licks but you're a fucking moron [img]http://i.imgur.com/K0FmTps.gif[/img]

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[Roger Waters]

during the era nixon was in power, media outlets were not owned by less than six corporations, it was in the ballpark of ten to twenty, whereas now our media is centralized to such a degree that calling it anything but an oligarchy is foolish at best and an outright lie at worse. this combined with the dwindling oil supplies (believe what you want, but fracking is a bubble that is going to burst) mean that "nixon V2" or hell, especially "reagan v2" would fucking decimate the integrity of America and probably the world economy right along with it. to say nothing of the reactionary damage to the economy. i mean look at what happened with the brexit vote-- even though most economies recovered from it, a vote that's caused such an insignificant global change so far had such widespread repercussions in our economy.

when nixon was in power the world was still big and things weren't so centralized and interconnected. now, the world is significantly smaller in the scope of things. there is not such a great east/west divide anymore and that means that america is no longer able to wholly stand on its own two feet economically without a hell of a lot of struggle to get back there. the world is intertwined and you cant just change that.

[editline]22nd September 2016[/editline]

trump wants to change that.

[editline]22nd September 2016[/editline]

its all in the numbers

[Combineguy]

[QUOTE=Roger Waters;51087735]during the era nixon was in power, media outlets were not owned by less than six corporations, it was in the ballpark of ten to twenty, whereas now our media is centralized to such a degree that calling it anything but an oligarchy is foolish at best and an outright lie at worse. this combined with the dwindling oil supplies (believe what you want, but fracking is a bubble that is going to burst) mean that "nixon V2" or hell, especially "reagan v2" would fucking decimate the integrity of America and probably the world economy right along with it. to say nothing of the reactionary damage to the economy. i mean look at what happened with the brexit vote-- even though most economies recovered from it, a vote that's caused such an insignificant global change so far had such widespread repercussions in our economy.

when nixon was in power the world was still big and things weren't so centralized and interconnected. now, the world is significantly smaller in the scope of things. there is not such a great east/west divide anymore and that means that america is no longer able to wholly stand on its own two feet economically without a hell of a lot of struggle to get back there. the world is intertwined and you cant just change that.

[editline]22nd September 2016[/editline]

trump wants to change that.

[editline]22nd September 2016[/editline]

its all in the numbers[/QUOTE]i was with you until you started posting :conspiratard: level nonsense. you dont need to degenerate into infowars-level stuff to defend the fuckin nixon administration against a racist, misogynistic charlatan who wants to fuck his daughter

[Roger Waters]

the jews didnt do anything except die en masse and fight for their right to party back in '43 tho??? like israel is a completely seperate thing from judaism if ur referrin to my refusal to play concerts in israel. its mostly about the west bank and the oppression of palestinians & the fuckin usage of white phosphorous (BANNED FOR USE ON CIVILIANS) on children...

[Combineguy]

i am no friend of israel, dont worry. donald trump is an asshole. peace

[Archangel125]

[QUOTE=archangel125;51087727]
[QUOTE=Cructo;51087716]"gambling the entire fate". Worst case scenario, it's Nixon v2.

not a very good way to argue[/QUOTE]
So, where's that proof I asked for? If you don't want to look the fool, you don't get to pick your battles. Let's see you back up what you said.[/QUOTE]

That's what I thought. Coward.

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[Tarver]

The way some people take it so seriously is hilarious

[Cloak_Raider]

[QUOTE=Tarver;51087789]The way some people take it so seriously is hilarious[/QUOTE]

no it's just incredibly infuriating that these arguments always go exactly the same way where the trump supporter/alt-right fp member just happens to disappear exactly when the going gets tough (when actual evidence is requested)

the fact that cructo just completely ignored BDA's point that trump endorsed [I]fucking sippenhaft[/I] so that he can continue posting is perfect evidence of this selective argument that trump supporters live on

if threads only ever contained one person taking a trump supporter to task, you'd never see a trump supporter post again because they wouldn't be able to weasel out of answering it by deflecting onto other posts

[Lonestriper]

[QUOTE=Cructo;51087244]Now imagine if you instead quoted someone talking about jews and blacks while posting the exact same thing you just did.

Your discrimination against a different set of beliefs is just the same.[/QUOTE]

Holy shit way to completely diminish the suffering of black people and jews

[Sobotnik]

[QUOTE=Cructo;51087790]like i said, post non-buzzfeed-tier sources (that actually try to analyze the quotes with the context) to back up your own claims and i will have a real discussion with you[/QUOTE]

trump literally says shit like "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive"

how can people vote for such an idiot? he's literally anti-science

[Zonesylvania]

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51087961]trump literally says shit like "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive"

how can people vote for such an idiot? he's literally anti-science[/QUOTE]
Birds of a feather flock together, and a personality cult can draw in even normally clever people. Added to this that he plays so well on the desperation and disenfranchisement his supporters feel and serves as a rallying point for such disenchanted individuals. They're so desperate for change they're willing to vote in Trump just to see if something will change, it will, but for the worse.

[HumanAbyss]

Honestly, if you support Trump you'll hand wave this away but here

[video]https://youtu.be/bQueaSlvjCw[/video]

[editline]22nd September 2016[/editline]

But here cructo. Fucking proof.

There's citations in the description of the video. As he states.

[Taipan]

The only way to prevent people who don’t feel represented in their government to vote for the biggest anti hero out of spite. Is to make sure every party gets represented evenly in the government. AKA via a parliament system.

So when:
20% of your population is extremist right,
20% extremist left
20% extremist for animal rights.
And they all feel unheard because they can only choose middle left and middle right parties. You don’t get 60% vote for the person who promises the biggest change overall. You get 3 parties fairly representing the populace that have an equal share in decision making. Far more stable this way, and it prevents kneejerk reactions like Brexit or Trump.

[MissingNoGuy55]

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;51087932]no it's just incredibly infuriating that these arguments always go exactly the same way where the trump supporter/alt-right fp member just happens to disappear exactly when the going gets tough (when actual evidence is requested)

the fact that cructo just completely ignored BDA's point that trump endorsed [I]fucking sippenhaft[/I] so that he can continue posting is perfect evidence of this selective argument that trump supporters live on

if threads only ever contained one person taking a trump supporter to task, you'd never see a trump supporter post again because they wouldn't be able to weasel out of answering it by deflecting onto other posts[/QUOTE]to be fair, I haven't seen anyone on fp defending Clinton yet. are people afraid to admit they're voting for her? honest question

[Zonesylvania]

[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;51088071]to be fair, I haven't seen anyone defending Clinton yet. are people afraid to admit they're voting for her? honest question[/QUOTE]
The only defence such as it is, that people have ever said of Clinton before, are two things: People shouldn't believe in conspiracy theories about fellows she knew all mysteriously dying, and that in an election with two bad choices, it's better to pick the bad choice that won't fuck everything up.

[MissingNoGuy55]

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51088075]The only defence such as it is, that people have ever said of Clinton before, are two things: People shouldn't believe in conspiracy theories about fellows she knew all mysteriously dying, and that in an election with two bad choices, it's better to pick the bad choice that won't fuck everything up.[/QUOTE]that's what i was thinking, just wanted to make sure i was on the same page

[Cloak_Raider]

[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;51088071]to be fair, I haven't seen anyone on fp defending Clinton yet. are people afraid to admit they're voting for her? honest question[/QUOTE]

most of FP supported Bernie (myself included) and the manner in which clinton supporters argued in SH has left a sour taste in many peoples mouths over clinton

but she's still the much better candidate and any american of sanity should vote for her in the election

[The Vman]

[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;51088071]to be fair, I haven't seen anyone on fp defending Clinton yet. are people afraid to admit they're voting for her? honest question[/QUOTE]

It's such a bizarre situation. Right wingers willfully ignore Trump's endless transgressions while leftists are hyper-critical against anything Hillary does.

It takes a certain intelligence to be critical of your own party, but it's really not doing Democrats any favors.

[Grenadiac]

[QUOTE=Cructo;51087716]"gambling the entire fate". Worst case scenario, it's Nixon v2.

not a very good way to argue[/QUOTE]

I'd resurrect Nixon and put him in the Oval Office before I voted for either of these jokers

[Pseudonym]

[QUOTE=The Vman;51088127]It's such a bizarre situation. Right wingers willfully ignore Trump's endless transgressions while leftists are hyper-critical against anything Hillary does.

It takes a certain intelligence to be critical of your own party, but it's really not doing Democrats any favors.[/QUOTE]
It's primarily a very specific kind of left-wing Hillary critic that gets completely wrapped up in an extreme anti-Hillary perspective. They usually seem to have some kind of persecution complex that drives them to always be against the liberal establishment which they often justify with their own brand of "feels before reals".

[Govna]

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;51089347]It's primarily a very specific kind of left-wing Hillary critic that gets completely wrapped up in an extreme anti-Hillary perspective. They usually seem to have some kind of persecution complex that drives them to always be against the liberal establishment which they often justify with their own brand of "feels before reals".[/QUOTE]

And then you have the normal ones who are justifiably pissed off over her behavior that proves she's not the honest, progressive would-be leader she claims to be and is in fact yet another black suit politician who is only receiving as much attention as she is because the Democratic Party went fucking nuts after Obama was elected and decided immediately in 2008, "We've got to get Hillary into office eventually. She has a vagina, she's a former first lady, it'll be another historic moment we can lay claim to!"-- and who don't want her because of this. These are the same critics of hers who also hate Trump for more reasons than you can shake a stick at (justifiably so; Trump can go deepthroat a sword made out of razor blades), and who realize that both decisions we've been forcibly left with (him vs. her) are fucking terrible, that clearly our political system is broken when we've only got two choices that the majority of Americans are none-too thrilled about supporting, and who want it to change but know it never will at the current rate of things and hate the establishment because they know it's never going to roll over and sacrifice its own interests in favor of us and our country.

So when people like Tarver show up and treat the whole thing like it's a big damn joke ("The way some people take it so seriously is hilarious"), naturally that's going to unleash a lot of that pent-up, justified anger. Yeah, it is a joke. It's a joke that things have fallen this low and we're alive to see it. It's a joke that Johnson and Stein polled well enough with voters that they deserved to be included in the debates but were snubbed and excluded anyway. It's a joke that Clinton was selected the way that she was (she was going to get the nomination back in 2008; it was inevitable, that's how badly they wanted her to run), and that Donald "remember me from the fucking Apprentice" Trump managed to oust all the Republican candidates the way he did to seize the nomination. It's a joke that neither one of these candidates is particularly popular with the American people but that we're just biting the bullet and accepting the situation as, "Turd sandwich or giant douche: pick one. They're both terrible, but X is better than Y." It's a joke that we've become as polarized as we are, although it's really not surprising; we've been headed down this route for decades now, and it's great for the people in power because it keeps us divided up and unable to see and agree on just how badly we're getting fucked over by them. It's a big joke, but one with very real consequences that will affect our future and the future of our country.

Oh well. Good or bad, whatever happens, happens, and we'll just have to deal with it. At least we're all stuck in the same boat here, whether we realize it or not.